PSM Preview 4-8-2004
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- JDA1982
Loads do, Live for speed does it (nothing to do with my username by the way) Race driver does it, not sure if PGR2 doescos I've never played that online. But it's not a new thing and there are loads more games than I will mention here that allow that.
- 3,420
Gt4 will have more than a dozen cars on track? Damn, it could have like 14 cars, that's cool. At first I didn't like the idea but the more the better the race. What about these weather effects? That is something I can not wait to see, hopefully we will see it at
E3, including the 3d crowds and the pitcrew
I want to see the pit crew more than anything. The motion blur in replays will be cool but I hope it's not over done. I guess PD has seen all the other games with their nice features and they didn't want gt4 to be out in the cold 
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- SOLID_LIFTERS
Originally posted by Cheshyrkat
No bikes in GT4? Well thats not entirely true as per an interview with the man himself(Kazunori) at the last TGS. He stated that a vehicle fitting the exact description of the Dodge Tomahawk would be in the game. An 8.3L, 500hp monster, capable of speeds beyond 300mph would be featured in GT4.
Well, the artice said bikes, so maybe this one will be in the game. The Tomahawk has four wheels, so I guess you can call it a car-bike. It would make sense for PD to put one in GT4 as a sample of what their new bike game is like.
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- JMarine25
You know, in another thread, I wanted to examine the issue of real time day cycles and weather cycles. We may not get that until GT5, but I think that PD's talk with PSM is believable. I think that E3 will certainly be one to watch as we begin to learn more information on GT4. When the show comes out, someone will probably post a thread (I won't, likely) about it. But just remember. E3 will show the progress so far so that the media will get a chance to take pictures and report findings. And the anticipated peiod of when GT4 will likely come out is either around the start of football season (meaning, Fall), or when Santa Claus rides the skies (meaning, Christmas time). But as someone said "new release dates are being made at the rate of new TVs." Well, everything is both believable and unbelievable. When Sony or PD has their say, then we'll believe SOMEBODY.
In the meanwhile, I'll do some drifting in GT3, and hate myself for getting an Impreza LM Car instead of a Formula One machine after racing two freaking hours of Grand Valley 300 km. Arrgh!!!
In the meanwhile, I'll do some drifting in GT3, and hate myself for getting an Impreza LM Car instead of a Formula One machine after racing two freaking hours of Grand Valley 300 km. Arrgh!!!
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- JDA1982
I'm not letting any of these non quoted comments be real to me, it's happened in all previouse GT games, PD said the PS2 couldn't handle more than one or two more cars on track realistically. I think these mags are making half of it up, just like some said Ferrari was in GT2 and they said the original GT was goping to have the most superior AI ever seen, what a load of bollocks. I'm just going to laugh at anyone whio ends up dissapointed, it will still be the best game ever, but if you hope for things that PD hasn't confirmed then that will happen.
- 3,420
If the info is untrue, it's going to be some ass kicking on psm. I really want this real time weather and the motion blur in replays and the 3D crowds in gt4. I dont know, maybe PD sees how all these other racers are having weather, more than 6 cars on tracks and other good things a racer should have and they want to add them. PD is big on surprises but E3 needs to come now so we can get all of this confirmed, hopefuly.
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- JDA1982
The weather is possible, but I highly doubt there will be more than six cars per race, the PS couldn't handle it in GT3, so how could it handle it in GT4, as KY said, realistically we could only put one maybe 2 car extra in per grid, but 1 or 2 doesn't warrant the extra work involved keeping the framerate up and losing some of the effects and scenery.
- 3,420
Let me ask you, when gt3 was getting ready to come out, how many racers could give it a run for its money? None at that time. Now PD(I'm sure) is noticing other racers having things like, more cars on track, weather, etc and maybe, maybe they want that in gt4 to make the GT series better. I remember reading about gt4 being better in gameplay, alot better and not boring. We all know once you pass all the other 5 cars, things get boring because all you have to worry about is not messing up so the cars in the back dont pass you. You think PD doesnt know this? I'm sure they do. I'm sure pD is doing their best to make gt4 better than the other gt and if they just add alot of cars, make the AI better, and make the physics better, they aren't really changing anything for the gt series. I'll tell you the truth, I believe every bit of info psm release because as I read that info, I see the gt series changing for the better. You are not at your best unless someone pushes you and you dont think PD is being pushed by all these other racers with the features they have?
- 3,420
Please, maybe they couldn't do that with the dev kits they had. Look, the mgs2 creator said they maxed the ps2 with mgs2, but hey, there's a mgs3 with better graphics, more detail, etc. No dev will max the ps2 this early. If anything is close to being maxed, it's the xb, think about. PGR2 needs to be 30fps to look good and try to match gt4's quality graphics, please. I'm seeing all the same on the xb to tell you the truth while I see games looking better and better on the ps2. I dare to say gt4p looks alot better than gt3, less jaggies, more detail, better backgrounds, etc.
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- JDA1982
The PS2's old now, so it's not early, the point is that it wasn't possible gor them to add 1 or 2 without cutting down the graphics and framerate ect, so theres no chance they can add more than 6 more cars now. Unless somthing is quoted don't believe it, similar things have happened for all the previouse GT's, there was mags saying GT3 was going to have damage and all sorts until they got the final code to review. And GT4
looks marginally better than GT3, only better backgrounds, the cars are the same as the cars in GTc.
looks marginally better than GT3, only better backgrounds, the cars are the same as the cars in GTc.
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- JDA1982
The gameplay will be and I never said the PS2 was maxed, but your not going to see 12 cars or more per race. Your going to be very dissapointed with GT4 when it comes out with the hopes you have for the game. You also seem to take everything I say as confrontational, it's not, at the end of day it's not me who will be dissapointed with the game.
- 3,420
I seriously believe all of the stuff suggested from the mag, to be in gt4. When E3 comes, and the info is false, you and anyone else can laugh at me and call me stupid all you want. But until then, I believe all the info is true, 3D crowds makes alot of sense, more cars on track make alot of sense. I'm sure PD knows the demands of their fans and what's better than more cars on track, or weather? This will make all gt fans happy and PD knows stuff like that would attract non fans. Since you and T5 talk about how mags mislead, please show me something psm said about gt3 that was completely bs.
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- JDA1982
I'm not going to gain anything from calling you stupid other than looking like a jerk, but come E3 and there are no 12 car grids, I might remind you once or twice 
. If I bought mags myself, I would show you a scan but in my old age I haven't bought a games mag for 4 or 5 years, I still read bits in them from time to time, on games like GT4.
. If I bought mags myself, I would show you a scan but in my old age I haven't bought a games mag for 4 or 5 years, I still read bits in them from time to time, on games like GT4.- 386
I dunno Live, I've read PSM for years and they are usually pretty accurate. I don't think that they would just make stuff up. Granted, parts of mag stories on previous GT's turned out to be false (or more accurately, "scrapped due to time constraints"), but the majority of features reported on were true. Besides, PD has given themselves plenty of time on this one to add more features to GT4. I think Cobra is right about one thing. Other racing games are beginning to surpass the GT series in terms of features (i.e. crash physics, larger grids, weather effects, etc) and if PD doesn't do something new and exciting with GT4 they risk disappointing alot more people than just CobraGT.
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- JDA1982
True, but what I'm doubting is the 12 cas + grids, the PS2 couldn't handle that much, given the extra time PD are spending on GT4, 3d crowds are more of a possibility as are the weather and time cycles, and don't get me wrong I would love the larger grids, I just don't see it as being possible on the PS2, RD had a really hard time pushing 12 cars on PS2 ad that had less polygons and lower resolution textures ect. Still we should find more out at E3 which isn't that far away.
- 386
I don't really believe that either. My main hope is for the weather effects and the passage of time on the track (light to dark, etc). I wouldn't mind the 6 car grids if PD includes these other things.
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Where'd you get that info?
Yeah, if they would have reported 8 car fields I might have believed them. But doubling the field after all these years of being stuck at 6 is highly doubtful. And it was revealed as a caption under a picture, they really didn't make a big deal about it. They made a bigger deal about the real time weather, so I tend to believe that a little more.
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- JDA1982
Not in the slightest, 10k polys isn't that larg a number thesedays, but there may be more polys in the gun than there are per car in GT3 but there isn't 6 10k guns being renderd in Killzone, just the one, the AI arn't at the same level of detail.
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