PURE | GATE 2 - GT300 - Season winners - tony1311 and Team Wedssport

[OutlawQuadrnt]

ive got one you can have

Nah, that's okay. Besides, the Celica team is creaming the competition as is, so it would only make them unstoppable.

If someone wants to switch cars, though, I do ask if we can make another Arta 08 available. Feeling lonely on the track driving that good-looking machine in D1. I also have a request about looking into a venue change for next week.

 

[OwensRacing]

Nah, that's okay. Besides, the Celica team is creaming the competition as is, so it would only make them unstoppable.

If someone wants to switch cars, though, I do ask if we can make another Arta 08 available. Feeling lonely on the track driving that good-looking machine in D1. I also have a request about looking into a venue change for next week.

Having not practiced at Cape. What is it that concerns you?

 

[unrealanthony]

Nah, that's okay. Besides, the Celica team is creaming the competition as is, so it would only make them unstoppable.

If someone wants to switch cars, though, I do ask if we can make another Arta 08 available. Feeling lonely on the track driving that good-looking machine in D1. I also have a request about looking into a venue change for next week.

Would be nice race with Arta 08 !!

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Having not practiced at Cape. What is it that concerns you?

I guess after Laguna Seca and Monaco, it would be better to race somewhere where passing is a lot easier. Not sure Cape Ring Inside fits the bills. Alternatively, maybe we could just swap it with Spa on the schedule.

 

[OwensRacing]

I guess after Laguna Seca and Monaco, it would be better to race somewhere where passing is a lot easier. Not sure Cape Ring Inside fits the bills. Alternatively, maybe we could just swap it with Spa on the schedule.

I see what you mean. I for one am not opposed to some sorta shuffle or track change.

However that really going to be up to Dave. If we stay on schedule. I'm good. If we switch. I'm good. If we are suggesting. I'd suggest Indy Road. That would really offer some great racing and passing. IMHO.

 

[SkengD]

Indy Road usually produces a great race , maybe for next GATE season perhaps ?

 

[PhaedrusSocrate]

Cape Ring Inside is not that bad if we decide to be very disciplined and atempt overtakes only on the straight... and sometimes on braking at begining of S3.

Lap is very short, so I think of it as 3 laps = 1 lap at Spa - so, that's at least 3 good straights on "1" lap

 

[CSLACR]

For whatever it's worth, the track list seems like something to discuss before the season, or at least more than a week before the race in question.

 

[OwensRacing]

For whatever it's worth, the track list seems like something to discuss before the season, or at least more than a week before the race in question.

Agree with you on that. Hence why I am all for sticking with regular schedule. But obviously have no issues if it was changed.

Gonna do my tuning tomorrow so hopefully things stay the same and my time is not wasted.

 

[Wardez]

Dave has been iffy about CRI since last week. I think we should definitely change it. Soa sounds nice, Fuji F, whatever.

 

[Müle]

I would definitely keep it. Many fun races have been had here, even if it is slightly difficult to pass. It's also pretty unorthodox compared to everything else on the schedule.

Changing a track in the week during the race is silly, to be honest.

 

[twistedfirework]

No changes to the schedule ​

Recently, the standard of the driving in this series has slipped. Aggressive driving and a lack of respect for each other on the track has crept in. This is the reason that I was a little concerned at running Cape Ring Inside. However, it would be wrong to change things now at this late stage.
Everyone needs to take a look at themselves and ask, am I a pleasure to race with?
We need to get back to the PURE values of respect for each other whilst racing.

Lets have a good finish to the season with two great races.

 

[Litchi]

Well said

 

[pag42]

No changes to the schedule ​

Recently, the standard of the driving in this series has slipped. Aggressive driving and a lack of respect for each other on the track has crept in. This is the reason that I was a little concerned at running Cape Ring Inside. However, it would be wrong to change things now at this late stage.
Everyone needs to take a look at themselves and ask, am I a pleasure to race with?
We need to get back to the PURE values of respect for each other whilst racing.

Lets have a good finish to the season with two great races.

I did over a 100 laps yesterday on Cape Ring Inside and its a fun track and i am really looking forward to racing there this weekend, And i am sure everybody will take a step back and say hey this is why we are all racing together because we love the sport. Looking forward to a great weekend.

 

[Sail IC]

I only driven Cape Ring Inside a couple of laps and the track has nice flowing corners. The last long multi apex corner is a very interesting one and will take some time to get it right. Good track.

There is one thing we need to clarify prior to the event, to put everybody on the same page, and to avoid frustration on the track.

Its a very short track. A good lap is 52-53 sec. One pit stop is half a lap. There will be plenty of lapped car situation between drivers of similar pace. What are the rights and obligations in a lapped car situation. Here are a couple of likely senarios.

A car placed around 7th coming out on fresh tires one lap down behind the 2/3rd placed cars racing eachother on worn tires. The 7th placed car will have much better pace. Will he be allowed to unlap himself which will take some time given its two cars in order to achieve his better lap times as if he does he will interfear in the race between 2/3 placed cars.

How about in above senario there is only one car, placed 2nd, pushing hard on worn tires to avoid being cought up by third who pitted earlier. If the lapped faster car try to unlap himself he will slow the 2nd placed car down and it might have a noticable affect on his final result.

What about the people using hood cam. I use bumper, but there are always some using hood with no mirrors (they track map for that purpose). How would they know if the car behind them is a car going to lap them (ie blue flag) or if its a car they are racing.

What about if a driver is having Skeng (Celica) behind them position and Tony (also in a Celica) is coming up behind to lap. The driver is racing Tony thinking its Skeng, but it reality its a blue flag situation. Honest mistake, but there is no pit board telling him.

I think some are not even having the postion list on display. How would they know if the car behind is one they are racing or they are being lapped.

It could go on and on ------

----- What needs to get done is a cristal clear description what are you rights and obligations in lapped situations.

 

[PhaedrusSocrate]

How about if driver can unlap himself only by clean overtake on s/f straight or if driver ahead makes such mistake that it alows for very clear pass with NO pushing (not to be confused with slight tap of sorts while cars are setteling down in their new positions).

Edit: also, blocking should not be alowed as sort of "protection" against car that is only trying to unlap it self! Cause it's not fight for positions, so no blocking.

 

[OwensRacing]

Does your guys screen not have names floating above the cars?

I always do a quick look back to see who not what car is behind me.


Also cars with completely worn out tires that is way off the pace. Should they be allowed to basically block and create a nasty bottle neck?

 

[twistedfirework]

I only driven Cape Ring Inside a couple of laps and the track has nice flowing corners. The last long multi apex corner is a very interesting one and will take some time to get it right. Good track.

There is one thing we need to clarify prior to the event, to put everybody on the same page, and to avoid frustration on the track.

Its a very short track. A good lap is 52-53 sec. One pit stop is half a lap. There will be plenty of lapped car situation between drivers of similar pace. What are the rights and obligations in a lapped car situation. Here are a couple of likely senarios.

A car placed around 7th coming out on fresh tires one lap down behind the 2/3rd placed cars racing eachother on worn tires. The 7th placed car will have much better pace. Will he be allowed to unlap himself which will take some time given its two cars in order to achieve his better lap times as if he does he will interfear in the race between 2/3 placed cars.

How about in above senario there is only one car, placed 2nd, pushing hard on worn tires to avoid being cought up by third who pitted earlier. If the lapped faster car try to unlap himself he will slow the 2nd placed car down and it might have a noticable affect on his final result.

What about the people using hood cam. I use bumper, but there are always some using hood with no mirrors (they track map for that purpose). How would they know if the car behind them is a car going to lap them (ie blue flag) or if its a car they are racing.

What about if a driver is having Skeng (Celica) behind them position and Tony (also in a Celica) is coming up behind to lap. The driver is racing Tony thinking its Skeng, but it reality its a blue flag situation. Honest mistake, but there is no pit board telling him.

I think some are not even having the postion list on display. How would they know if the car behind is one they are racing or they are being lapped.

It could go on and on ------

----- What needs to get done is a cristal clear description what are you rights and obligations in lapped situations.

The same rules apply here as everywhere else.

Each driver is responsible for knowing who is around him at any given time.
If you look behind you (not in rear view mirror) each car will have the drivers name shown above it.

With regards to unlapping yourself in the situation you described, it is allowed if you are significantly faster. What drivers must not do is battle with a car trying to lap them.

I hope this answers your questions Johan?

@jeff : blocking is never allowed. They can drive a defensive line.
I am guessing that you are referring to last weeks race?
We are still investigating, so I won't speculate at the moment, if that's ok.

 

[OwensRacing]

was a strange situation.


Note corner speeds where I was involved. Ask yourself who would expect such differences.

 

[PhaedrusSocrate]

Regarding saturday, it should only be important is slower car capable to keep faster one behind him self WITHOUT illigal blocking? (if they are fighting for positions).
I can remember F1 Monaco race where Panis held off car wastly faster then himself, and so he won. That was his only F1 victory ever.

And regarding race at Cape Ring, i meant that driver shouldn't even use defensive line when car behind him is only trying to unlap him self - cause that is not fight for position.

 

[BOB0011]

Dave: Since it is possible that I may find myself in this precarious position (getting lapped and not lapping the field) I would appreciate some clarity. I want to make sure that I understand the slower and the faster cars responsibilities when you say “What drivers must not do is battle with a car trying to lap them.” It is my understanding that the slower car has the right to pick a racing line. He is not allowed to make more than one move to pick a line or it would be considered blocking. It is the responsibility of the faster car to find a clean way around. On tight tracks that may mean that it could take some time but it is not the responsibility of the slower car to get out of the way. If that is incorrect please let me know because I don’t want to be responsible for unfair racing.

 

[twistedfirework]

@BOB you are correct when it comes to holding your position. However, it's a little different when the leader of the race is coming to pass you. What you mst do then is to allow him past at the first opportunity where it's safe to do so. You can either pull of the racing line early enough to telegraph to the leader your intentions or hold your line and ease off to allow him to pass. This is known as a blue flag situation.

 

[sailworksman]

For whatever it's worth, the track list seems like something to discuss before the season, or at least more than a week before the race in question.

I agree, I tend to avoid tracks with the word "Cape" in it. My most hated track. It will not matter much if we keep it, cause I will get disconnected anyway.

 

[pag42]

I agree, I tend to avoid tracks with the word "Cape" in it. My most hated track. It will not matter much if we keep it, cause I will get disconnected anyway.

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[Sail IC]

The same rules apply here as everywhere else.

Each driver is responsible for knowing who is around him at any given time.
If you look behind you (not in rear view mirror) each car will have the drivers name shown above it.

With regards to unlapping yourself in the situation you described, it is allowed if you are significantly faster. What drivers must not do is battle with a car trying to lap them.

I hope this answers your questions Johan?

I never use the look around (I get dizzy) but only rear view mirror, but that is all good then. Good answer

On the unlapping subject, I think we need to be less vauge than "significantly faster". Also, every time you pass a car, the passed car will lose time. So in my view, its really questionable if unlapping should be allowed at all.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Just curious to know how much fuel everyone put in and how much left they had at the finish. Monaco was a track where I did all I could to save gas, from setup to driving style.

If you hadn't done that you would have been in my boat.
Honda burned 50L every 15 Laps. So I took 12 and 38.

 

[Sail IC]

If you hadn't done that you would have been in my boat.
Honda burned 50L every 15 Laps. So I took 12 and 38.

Really weird the Honda uses that much fuel given it low weight.

Both the Toyota's seems to the best cars on fuel.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

On the unlapping subject, I think we need to be less vauge than "significantly faster". Also, every time you pass a car, the passed car will lose time. So in my view, its really questionable if unlapping should be allowed at all.

It has to be allowed. Otherwise, it renders all pit strategies moot, forcing everyone to stay out on their tires as long as possible, since tires + fuel may place people a lap down.

If you hadn't done that you would have been in my boat.
Honda burned 50L every 15 Laps. So I took 12 and 38.

Wow, that's bad. I was burning up 50 liters, but over 16 laps. My math told me I needed 40.6 liters to finish the race, and since I didn't bother with a fuel test, I guessed 41, which worked out perfectly.

Really weird the Honda uses that much fuel given it low weight.

Both the Toyota's seems to the best cars on fuel.

Must be a Prius hiding under all the sheet metal.

Doing a few laps around CPI. Getting that last sector right is a test both in placing the car in the correct line, maybe some throttle breathing, and bravery, but man, you feel like a champ when you nail it just right.

 

[mohitraina91]

It has to be allowed. Otherwise, it renders all pit strategies moot, forcing everyone to stay out on their tires as long as possible, since tires + fuel may place people a lap down.

Or you could pit before you fall 25-30 seconds behind. Ensures you come in front of the lapping car, and now have fresh rubber.


Gonna be a strategic race, I love it .

 

[Dr_Watson]

Really weird the Honda uses that much fuel given it low weight.

Both the Toyota's seems to the best cars on fuel.

Yeah, from what I've seen in replays and by what people post after races of what fuel they put into the cars... I'd say it goes:

1. Altezza + Celica (low power, low weight, low RPM)
2. Arta '03, RX7, scoobys, spoon... are all pretty similar
3. Arta '08 and S2000 LM are pretty even (Arta is high weight, s2000 has high RPM)
4. IS350 is the worst (most power, most weight)