Qualify/race grip levels

[Ian Fairbanks]

The time of day DOES affect tire grip. I’ve tested this thoroughly. My lap times, back to back, same track, differ. It’s a very realistic touch that I like. Keeps you on your toes.

In regards to the OP, yes, I notice a huge difference in qualifying and actual race. My wrx ran wide on Suzuka’s essess in 3rd, whereas in qual it was neutral. Chop it up to lag. Forza 4 was worse. Cars would literally bounce around the screen and randomly smash Into you, then disappear and reappear in front of you. The whole thing sucked. Thank god I don’t have to play forza anymore.

 

[Torqueflight]

The time of day DOES affect tire grip. I’ve tested this thoroughly. My lap times, back to back, same track, differ. It’s a very realistic touch that I like. Keeps you on your toes.

In regards to the OP, yes, I notice a huge difference in qualifying and actual race. My wrx ran wide on Suzuka’s essess in 3rd, whereas in qual it was neutral. Chop it up to lag. Forza 4 was worse. Cars would literally bounce around the screen and randomly smash Into you, then disappear and reappear in front of you. The whole thing sucked. Thank god I don’t have to play forza anymore.

 

[Torqueflight]

The time of day DOES affect tire grip. I’ve tested this thoroughly. My lap times, back to back, same track, differ. It’s a very realistic touch that I like. Keeps you on your toes.

In regards to the OP, yes, I notice a huge difference in qualifying and actual race. My wrx ran wide on Suzuka’s essess in 3rd, whereas in qual it was neutral. Chop it up to lag. Forza 4 was worse. Cars would literally bounce around the screen and randomly smash Into you, then disappear and reappear in front of you. The whole thing sucked. Thank god I don’t have to play forza anymore.

That would make since, but I just checked qual is 1800 and race time is 1800 so explain that I was 5 seconds slower on my last race

 

[wallpaper42]

All I can say is thank God I'm not the only one. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me. The difference isn't even subtle either. It's rather blatent. Wow. Hope PD fixes this asap.

I thought it was pretty subtle. A lot more than GT5 & 6 anyway. Also you have 666 posts!

 

[Philip Rivers]

maybe the cars in qualifying don't have a full tank of gas (even tho it shows the opposite)? 💡

That actually sounds believable. I've been to Road America and Mid Ohio when the INDY races go on, and usually the lap times set in Qualifying and way better than what's set in the actual race, barring lap traffic of course.

It would be nice if PD actually showed the tank at like 1/4 full while Qualifying to add to the immersion. xD

 

[powerlord]

it is the worst on the lancer race last night, had a fast quali time, notmally top 3 and the whole race could not keep the speed round the corners like the other cars, massive understeer round the 1st corner every lap, 10mph slower to keep it tight. ran wide on every other corner while the rest of the pack just kept going, was 5 seconds slower per lap.

this didnt happen once it happened may times, but the time it did not happen i noticed it remembered that my TCS was at 0 because when the race started i had to keep putting it at 0 every time.

 

[isamu]

Also you have 666 posts!

Not anymore

 

[Maximum11]

I have spent a few hours on the GR3 race on Lago Maggiore, and I did my absolute best lap (1.59ish) during the race. In quali I'm stuck at 2.00 for the moment.

This week-end I didn't notice anything like what you describe with the Lancer on the japanese track either.

One thing is for sure, it's difficult to replicate constant qualification performances in races, it requires a bit of training. At some races here and there, I saw several times guys with the pole position struggling with the car and loosing all skills , like it's different drivers, but I'm sure the car was the same.

 

[gh3]

I still consider some anti-lag stuff are making this, there's no a constant behaviour.
Sometimes you have loose braking, sometimes in the opposite way extra grip than quali.
Other thing I can consider is a kinda engine mapping, as I said in race down gearing it happens too often to touch the rpm limit, in qualify it never happens.

 

[Lord Protector]

I have a much worse experience with racing. My car setup frequently doesn't apply and I end up racing with the stock setup. This happens mostly when not driving before the race starts (like sitting in in-game menu waiting for race to start).

 

[GTPoet]

You have to do warmup or your car won't behave properly. I just confirmed this in the one make EVO race.

Lame ass bug.

 

[phl0w]

Thank God, this was driving (pun intended) me crazy!
I’ve made it a habit to do a few races without qualifying to see who I get matched with. I finished top 3 a couple times starting from 10-12th place. Then I clocked a qualifying time of 1:52:xxx, got matched within the same lap time range of 1:51-1:56 with - again - D/B drivers, and was in constant struggle to keep up with the pace of cars I had no difficulty before to overtake in corners. As proof my lap times dropped more than 2s. Even gear display shows a 1 instead of 2 in the two slower corners on Dragon’s.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with different levels of grip between quali/race, and different times of day. What I don’t want is rigging behind the curtains to artificially make players better or worse than their real level of skill for the sake of “balanced” matchmaking. But quite frankly, this is how it feels in my (granted anecdotal) experience.

 

[Outspacer]

You have to do warmup or your car won't behave properly. I just confirmed this in the one make EVO race.

Lame ass bug.

Oh, that is it! Last race I did last night (N300) I didn't bother with warmup, and boy did I have an unhappy race! Quite a few seconds a lap slower, car just wouldn't grip anywhere and kept getting time penalties. Went from 5th to out-of-sight last

Other than that, I haven't noticed any difference between quali, warmup and race. My times in clear air are about the same.

 

[Earth]

This really hurt my qualifying lap in the Manufacturer's Cup. I had just spent the previous 15 minutes getting use to how the car felt in practice, then when the official qualifying started suddenly it felt like it had much more grip which threw off my timing.

And when the race started it felt different again.

 

[Caner ARIK]

Still same. Grip on qua and race different in daily races.

 

[Lion-Face]

That was from the depths.

Qualy is done with no fuel/tire wear. Even though the tank shows full in the HUD. It is actually considered empty for the purpose of car weight/performance in qualy. Also, with no degradation of tires, you have consistent grip throughout the entire lap. In the race, you obviously start with a full tank, so, car dependant you can be 1-2 seconds slower on initial laps. If you run the fuel out entirely (1 lap left) and pit for fresh rubber, you will find you can do the same pace as qualy as you can in the race.

 

[Caner ARIK]

That was from the depths.

Qualy is done with no fuel/tire wear. Even though the tank shows full in the HUD. It is actually considered empty for the purpose of car weight/performance in qualy. Also, with no degradation of tires, you have consistent grip throughout the entire lap. In the race, you obviously start with a full tank, so, car dependant you can be 1-2 seconds slower on initial laps. If you run the fuel out entirely (1 lap left) and pit for fresh rubber, you will find you can do the same pace as qualy as you can in the race.

Even in daily races where tyre deg. And fuel cons. Not avaliable? I experience crazy understeer. Some say i need to do warm up.

 

[seosamh77]

I notice a difference when there's tyre wear and fuel to consider. Defo more slippy and slower during races. Don't get the same effect if tyre and fuel are off tends to run the same as qualifying..

 

[RussRobit]

I swear there is a random element in tire grip level. It's like every now and then you get a great or a bad set of tires. Even in GT league. I've been running race 1 Sunday Cup at northern isle alot lately to build mp and I've noticed all my lap times have a pattern. If my first lap is faster or slower than average, then the remaining 5 laps are faster or slower by the same time. Northern isle is a short track and laps are usually within a few hundredths, so when all six laps are faster or slower by several tenths, something's going on.

 

[Johnnyboy532]

I have experienced sluggish steering around other racers who have poor Network connections. I know when your in the slip stream you have to brake earlier than normal or else. But when I'm around other cars I feel like there is less downforce even when not directly behind the car ahead. I'm assuming that's how the game was designed. Now if I'm out front and I something happens lol, that's usually down to me coming in too hot!

 

[Rinsky]

This has been an issue I've noticed for over a year now. Just like other have said sometimes it's really noticeable and other times it's not.
I mainly only do Lobby Racing and very little Sport Mode racing but it does the exact same things in lobby races as well.
I'm not sure that SR/DR would be the cause of this issue in lobby racing as every lobby race I've ever been in has had SR/DR turned off.

 

[meekrab]

I swear there is a random element in tire grip level. It's like every now and then you get a great or a bad set of tires. Even in GT league. I've been running race 1 Sunday Cup at northern isle alot lately to build mp and I've noticed all my lap times have a pattern. If my first lap is faster or slower than average, then the remaining 5 laps are faster or slower by the same time. Northern isle is a short track and laps are usually within a few hundredths, so when all six laps are faster or slower by several tenths, something's going on.

Hard disagree with "random element in tire grip" at least in Sport mode. I ran 5 or 6 clean Sport mode races at RBR with different cars yesterday, every race my overall time finished between 7:38.5-7:40 depending on how bad the first lap went. Every lap the hairpin apex speed is 41-42 mph, every lap turn 7 apex is between 96 and 100 mph. I'm not good enough to recall offhand the other corner speeds but they're very consistent if you hit the same braking points every lap.

Specifically regarding Sunday Cup 1, I just ran back to back 1:50.8 races after one warmup race to re-learn the line.

 

[RussRobit]

Hard disagree with "random element in tire grip" at least in Sport mode. I ran 5 or 6 clean Sport mode races at RBR with different cars yesterday, every race my overall time finished between 7:38.5-7:40 depending on how bad the first lap went. Every lap the hairpin apex speed is 41-42 mph, every lap turn 7 apex is between 96 and 100 mph. I'm not good enough to recall offhand the other corner speeds but they're very consistent if you hit the same braking points every lap.

Specifically regarding Sunday Cup 1, I just ran back to back 1:50.8 races after one warmup race to re-learn the line.

In general yes, it's very consistent, but every now and then something doesn't feel the same and the lap times show it. Then next race it's back to normal.

 

[Caner ARIK]

This has been an issue I've noticed for over a year now. Just like other have said sometimes it's really noticeable and other times it's not.
I mainly only do Lobby Racing and very little Sport Mode racing but it does the exact same things in lobby races as well.
I'm not sure that SR/DR would be the cause of this issue in lobby racing as every lobby race I've ever been in has had SR/DR turned off.

This may be a bug. two days before on a daily race where no fuel and tire variable, I raced two races when my tires constantly losing grip under braking. and the other 4 races no problem at all. I don't "guess" this but "know" from my wheel FFB goes feather under braking with the same car, same track but different races.

 

[infraction82]

Is it just me or does the grip levels seen different from qualifying to racing in the sport mode races. To me it feels like the car grips better in qualifying than the races. Noticed it yesterday and again today on the N300 daily race. Didn't pay attention if you qual on different tires or not

Absolutely do
I set a 1.33 in Qualifying but struggling to run 1.47 in race. My DR and SR have been destroyed