QUICK MATCH DISILLUSIONMENT!?!?

[Growling]

After a while I wondered if they did it on a bit of a handicap (Even though it says it's random), because I was starting at the back and coming through to win or 2nd every time, then I'd start every race at the back?

 

[F1jocker12]

After a while I wondered if they did it on a bit of a handicap (Even though it says it's random), because I was starting at the back and coming through to win or 2nd every time, then I'd start every race at the back?

I feel the same... After u get a few good ones, than you will go down on the grid... is fun, and with a good start u have a clean brake into the first turn, otherwise, they will be afraid, brake early and you bump into them or slow down to avoid collision. After 6 or 7 races, u go back at the front. Superfun.

Am i the only one that has had to repeatedly start from last place on the grid even tho it's ''random'', sometimes i've even had to start last on the grid when there is only 11 people racing (16 gridspots on Laguna Seca) so i was way behind everyone at the start (one time i had to start from 15th gridspot when there were 6 people racing).
Well like most online races I've done i had no problems getting past most of the people at the back since half the field in most races just go for the missile tactic and don't give a hoot about their brakes and just slam into the back of everyone else and punt them of the track.

And what about all of these bad losers that punt you of the track as soon as you try to overtake? Some people even do this during the warm up... My hands and feet isn't enough to count the number of times this has happened to me, I go along having a good race and then when i decide to have a little bit of a lunge up the inside of someone and i do get past while giving the other guy plenty of room, the person i passed just gives up and drives right into the back of me or does a pit maneuver and go on their way, but if I so much as touch someone i get a 3 second penalty.

They ram into you, but have you ever tried to avoid them... When I gave them space and try to keep it clean, they adjust relatively quickly and they gave me room as well. I got some nice races with this type of players. First they rammed, but than they kept straight lines, and tried to stay clean as well. Another approach is to follow them closely and wait their mistake. It will come, trust me. I used to play with the throttle while following closely, and I'm telling you, they made a mistake only because they were constantly pushing and lost focus. If they didn't, hat off, it was their win, fair and square, no mistakes, in a clean race. Everybody was happy.

The whole thing is a waste of time if you ask me. Then again, I only really race against myself, changing lines and trying to learn something along the way.

By going online you can practice lines as well, no problem. You also can practice avoiding... big time... and braking points in tricky situations... No waste of time bro... Enjoy the game!

Man this really 🤬 Me off!! Busted out the GTR RJN at Laguna last night and was in the lead of every race I was in, until sore losing A** ****s punt you off the track..

Probably had 2 races where I avoided getting smashed by getting far enough ahead

If you are in front, you also need to be fast enough to finish first, 'cause I'm telling you... looking at that time gap, seeing how they come to you sector by sector, knowing that they can get thru you without you being able to do anything... man.... better give them some room cause is no harm in running at your pace. Do you like being stuck behind grandma on the highway (no offence)? Come on now... When I'm doing 2.49.xxx's(on Laguna Seca) from the front and I'm approaching you at a faster pace, and you miss braking points, you don't know how to exit the turns (or you can't), move left and right pumped up to keep that random first spot that was randomly given to you, what do u think is going to happen? I tell you... Asking for respect from the followers needs to doubled by your respect for them too. You will get their respect by pulling away or be untouchable in even and clean situations.. When they get closer they will scream at you to MOVE AWAY. Do you understand that? Because the first follower is doing qualifying laps and you are beeing conservative. On the other hand, if I want to overtake and hold the line before any turn, on the inside, and you turn into me, you will say I did something wrong. Correct? Wrong, because you need to know when to let go brother. If I'm not bumping into you and you get my respect, doesn't mean I will not be there, on the inside of your turn. You were slow, left the door open, I took it and you need to let go or push on the outside, but give me room, otherwise somebody (or both of us) will get a penalty instead of racing in the given virtual environment. Think about it! Ramming is bad and childish. No reason to do that.

The same thing has happened to me multiple times, sometimes after multiple people actually go completely of track, sometimes i also believe that people intentionally break really early when you're close behind just so they make you get a penalty for ramming them so they can storm of and create a gap between them and you.

Sometimes I get a penalty for ''ramming'' the person I'm overtaking when I have the inside line and the other guy on the outside rams me of the track.

Yes, that's exactly what they do... Follow them on a sided line, don't stay right behind... I've learned that the hard way...

 

[Growling]

If you are in front, you also need to be fast enough to finish first, 'cause I'm telling you... looking at that time gap, seeing how they come to you sector by sector, knowing that they can get thru you without you being able to do anything... man.... better give them some room cause is no harm in running at your pace. Do you like being stuck behind grandma on the highway (no offence)? Come on now... When I'm doing 2.49.xxx's(on Laguna Seca) from the front and I'm approaching you at a faster pace, and you miss braking points, you don't know how to exit the turns (or you can't), move left and right pumped up to keep that random first spot that was randomly given to you, what do u think is going to happen? I tell you... Asking for respect from the followers needs to doubled by your respect for them too. You will get their respect by pulling away or be untouchable in even and clean situations.. When they get closer they will scream at you to MOVE AWAY. Do you understand that? Because the first follower is doing qualifying laps and you are beeing conservative. On the other hand, if I want to overtake and hold the line before any turn, on the inside, and you turn into me, you will say I did something wrong. Correct? Wrong, because you need to know when to let go brother. If I'm not bumping into you and you get my respect, doesn't mean I will not be there, on the inside of your turn. You were slow, left the door open, I took it and you need to let go or push on the outside, but give me room, otherwise somebody (or both of us) will get a penalty instead of racing in the given virtual environment. Think about it! Ramming is bad and childish. No reason to do that.

Not really sure if you're being negative, or positive towards my comment.

Any idiot can go deep into a Corner from half a second back and hit me off the track. I'm in the wall and they get a couple of second time penalty. If they're that fast, maybe they should pass cleanly eh?

 

[F1jocker12]

Not really sure if you're being negative, or positive towards my comment.

Any idiot can go deep into a Corner from half a second back and hit me off the track. I'm in the wall and they get a couple of second time penalty. If they're that fast, maybe they should pass cleanly eh?

I am serious but you have to admit that, If they are catching you, obviously you are slower, or you are making mistakes and they don't, or they make less mistakes than you. The reason any idiot can lay on you from inside, while coming from behind is because you are not on the apex and you have left the door open for them. Most of the times, the moment you have the inside tires on the apex you are a ghost, and you can't stop them anymore. In addition to that, if you are afraid of those turns, and brake too early to avoid to go out of the track, they will bump into you because they do know a little better where to brake. I don't try to be mean or sarcastic... I try to help you understand what is going on. Because of so many crazy players, or glitches caused by the internet connection, sometimes, the faster players get involved in some stupid and frustrating crushes, but when they get released and if you are in front but in their reach, they will "hunt you down". You will do the same. That is racing. The fact that you are not in real life and you can pass thru "a ghost" changes the whole thing. Personally I try not to touch because I have my own approach, but other fast players or crazy and fast players, will touch you just enough to push you out of their way and keep them on the "black" stuff. The idea is to have fun and get as many points as possible. And learn how to control the car in those unusual situations. I have a steering wheel and I'll refuse to try a controller. Fundamentally, for me and I'm sure for more of the players worldwide, the most important thing is to get as close as possible to the real thing, like Kaz (the creator of the GT series) but at the other end of the business. Somehow, I myself need to let go when a crazy kid blocks me while trying to pass him, but what can you do? If you enforce too many penalties, you will drive potential customers away from the game. People, especially the crazy ones, don't like penalties, and without buyers there is no money. Without money there is no GT6 or 7 or 8. Nada. So you hope respectful players will understand and appreciate the benefits of playing the game while crazy ones will get their medication changed as soon as possible. Because these games are good for mental illnesses too... When you feel like screaming and bumping into everybody, instead of hurting somebody in real life, you plug into GT6 online quick match races, and there you are... But we have the power to ignore their behavior, respect each other and get better. GET BETTER.

 

[kilesa4568]

I am serious but you have to admit that, If they are catching you, obviously you are slower, or you are making mistakes and they don't, or they make less mistakes than you.

The reason any idiot can lay on you from inside, while coming from behind is because you are not on the apex and you have left the door open for them. Most of the times, the moment you have the inside tires on the apex you are a ghost, and you can't stop them anymore. In addition to that, if you are afraid of those turns, and brake too early to avoid to go out of the track, they will bump into you because they do know a little better where to brake. I don't try to be mean or sarcastic... I try to help you understand what is going on. Because of so many crazy players, or glitches caused by the internet connection, sometimes, the faster players get involved in some stupid and frustrating crushes, but when they get released and if you are in front but in their reach, they will "hunt you down". You will do the same. That is racing.

The fact that you are not in real life and you can pass thru "a ghost" changes the whole thing. Personally I try not to touch because I have my own approach, but other fast players or crazy and fast players, will touch you just enough to push you out of their way and keep them on the "black" stuff. The idea is to have fun and get as many points as possible. And learn how to control the car in those unusual situations.

I have a steering wheel and I'll refuse to try a controller. Fundamentally, for me and I'm sure for more of the players worldwide, the most important thing is to get as close as possible to the real thing, like Kaz (the creator of the GT series) but at the other end of the business.

Somehow, I myself need to let go when a crazy kid blocks me while trying to pass him, but what can you do? If you enforce too many penalties, you will drive potential customers away from the game. People, especially the crazy ones, don't like penalties, and without buyers there is no money. Without money there is no GT6 or 7 or 8. Nada. So you hope respectful players will understand and appreciate the benefits of playing the game while crazy ones will get their medication changed as soon as possible. Because these games are good for mental illnesses too... When you feel like screaming and bumping into everybody, instead of hurting somebody in real life, you plug into GT6 online quick match races, and there you are... But we have the power to ignore their behavior, respect each other and get better. GET BETTER.

Couldn't resist breaking your post down so it's easier to follow. Not being a grammar nazi but it's hard to read so many points all in a single paragraph. No offence meant.

You're also talking to someone (Growling) who gets some amazingly quick times in the time trials. He's proved how skilled he is and probably doesn't need quick match tips. Armour and a 360 degree view would be handy though, if you've got them?

I've no idea what to say about the last paragraph. Sounds scary.

 

[Growling]

Thanks @kilesa4568 that really means a lot

I didn't care to debate it any more tbh. What I will say is when you're driving the slower car (GTR RJN compared to the yellow R8) and there's also huge draft advantage when you're behind someone in these quick matches, it's easy for a slower driver to fly up and spank your booty

 

[F1jocker12]

Couldn't resist breaking your post down so it's easier to follow. Not being a grammar nazi but it's hard to read so many points all in a single paragraph. No offence meant.

You're also talking to someone (Growling) who gets some amazingly quick times in the time trials. He's proved how skilled he is and probably doesn't need quick match tips. Armour and a 360 degree view would be handy though, if you've got them?

I've no idea what to say about the last paragraph. Sounds scary.

Sorry to make you dizzy... Good thing the road signs are short! Enjoy the Quick Match!

Thanks @kilesa4568 that really means a lot

I didn't care to debate it any more tbh. What I will say is when you're driving the slower car (GTR RJN compared to the yellow R8) and there's also huge draft advantage when you're behind someone in these quick matches, it's easy for a slower driver to fly up and spank your booty

Just for my curiosity.. Are there any positives?

 

[Growling]

Just for my curiosity.. Are there any positives?

Yeah of course. When the server behaves and the racing's clean it's great fun.

 

[kilesa4568]

Yeah of course. When the server behaves and the racing's clean it's great fun.

Gotta emphasize the "when".

Life's too short waiting for the occasional "when" but when "when" finally arrives, you get raped by 15 cars in the first corner, yell "WHY!?" and...quit.

...try and find cleaner opponents and keep trying till "when" arrives again.

I hate quick match.

 

[Growling]

Actually no.. It's crap. Took me half an hour to get into a match, and when I get rammed, I get a ramming penalty?

 

[F1jocker12]

Actually no.. It's crap. Took me half an hour to get into a match, and when I get rammed, I get a ramming penalty?

I can kill all this short discussion with a sarcastic joke... but no...we can do much better than that... Everybody on this forum knows how you like racing and GT series. The same way you put effort in the game, the team that created it, put effort in it, but sometimes you have to deal with imperfections (glitches) or/and... let's call them - "funny" players. Sounds like a cliche but ...it's part of the game. Some do play it admirably, some fail miserably. All of them play it because of their common passion, even if some of them, like I mentioned previously here, need more medication. The rules of the game are not perfect either, but that is the only way to move forward. From the personal point of view, you have the power (with a little bit of skill too) to show everybody how to play this game and make it better. I didn't say Quick Match is perfect... What I say is that you can improve your driving the same time you can make other players understand what they are doing wrong. In case you didn't figure it out yet, in order to connect for a race, you have to wait and not change anything at the first "connection" screen, where you can "warm up", change the car basic settings, or exit. Don't touch anything. After some seconds... you will get to a second part of the connection process. In case you get disconnected you see it right away... In case you get connected you will have a timer on the screen. Sometimes, you have the option to watch an ongoing race, sometimes you can practice right away (if the race is over) or sometimes you can only watch the pits from an outside camera with only 2 options on the screen - change settings or exit. At this screen (in the second phase), you can make changes, like adjust the traction from a "5" to whatever (just to give you an example) or the steering sensitivity . And there you go... wait for the race...

Sometimes, you are correct, you don't get connection at all, but that's relatively rare.

If you already knew this very basic, almost childish routine, then I hope nobody got dizzy and puked yet (sorry, I couldn't hold it) because of so many words written in the same comment.

I strongly encourage you to remember how a disadvantage can be cleverly used and changed into an advantage (again with patience and skill)... Like playing GT6 the hard way. Have you forgot when you've tried to play a GT game for the first time? How that car was moving all over the place more on the green side of the screen? What did u do? I think you found a good answer for this superfun Quick Match section some blame around too much. All your friends here, know you are a fighter. Show them you are more than that......

Gotta emphasize the "when".

Life's too short waiting for the occasional "when" but when "when" finally arrives, you get raped by 15 cars in the first corner, yell "WHY!?" and...quit.

...try and find cleaner opponents and keep trying till "when" arrives again.

I hate quick match.

You also can get back on track and continue race.... Racing is a lot more important than winning... That's the strength that differentiates real champions from the crowd. In order to understand what is hidden behind every victory you need to accept and cope with loosing. Makes you wise and strong, gives you the power to collect yourself and get to the finish line... and start it over again... and enjoy it because you know you can do it. The only focus at the beginning, is how to stay focused and clean as a response to the other players craziness. Push the limits, don't get shortcuts, don't bump on purpose into anybody, improve the lines and hit all the braking points. Save the replays and watch them at the end of the day. That's why Quick Match is so challenging and fun.

Thanks @kilesa4568 that really means a lot

I didn't care to debate it any more tbh. What I will say is when you're driving the slower car (GTR RJN compared to the yellow R8) and there's also huge draft advantage when you're behind someone in these quick matches, it's easy for a slower driver to fly up and spank your booty

Got 2.49.9xx in a GTR and 2.47.8xx with a yellow Audi.... and the GTR is much easier to handle while turning. The yellow Audi spins off the rears if you hit the throttle and goes crazy when you put the tires on the kerbs, so you need much better and softer control (skill) with the Audi.... So, in my opinion, if they get that fast in an Audi to catch up your GTR booty, then they do a hell of job in the first place only to handle the car(or the simulation of it). Corkscrew at Laguna Seca is the best example... GTR will get thru it like nothing (suspension and ride height)... Audi will slide away if you don't slow it down to the correct speed, feed it slowly over the top and wait for the right spot to hit the throttle and go down the hill.

 

[steve nfs]

One thing I doesn't like is , when your car push from side at some degree , you are the one to get penalise! Especially at tight corner or hairpins. Come on PD, analyse it who ever touch you behind get 1 second, (make them brake !), hit you , get 3 seconds and rammed you hard is 5 seconds. .......

 

[kilesa4568]

I can kill all this short discussion with a sarcastic joke... but no...we can do much better than that... Everybody on this forum knows how you like racing and GT series. The same way you put effort in the game, the team that created it, put effort in it, but sometimes you have to deal with imperfections (glitches) or/and... let's call them - "funny" players. Sounds like a cliche but ...it's part of the game. Some do play it admirably, some fail miserably. All of them play it because of their common passion, even if some of them, like I mentioned previously here, need more medication. The rules of the game are not perfect either, but that is the only way to move forward. From the personal point of view, you have the power (with a little bit of skill too) to show everybody how to play this game and make it better. I didn't say Quick Match is perfect... What I say is that you can improve your driving the same time you can make other players understand what they are doing wrong. In case you didn't figure it out yet, in order to connect for a race, you have to wait and not change anything at the first "connection" screen, where you can "warm up", change the car basic settings, or exit. Don't touch anything. After some seconds... you will get to a second part of the connection process. In case you get disconnected you see it right away... In case you get connected you will have a timer on the screen. Sometimes, you have the option to watch an ongoing race, sometimes you can practice right away (if the race is over) or sometimes you can only watch the pits from an outside camera with only 2 options on the screen - change settings or exit. At this screen (in the second phase), you can make changes, like adjust the traction from a "5" to whatever (just to give you an example) or the steering sensitivity . And there you go... wait for the race...

Sometimes, you are correct, you don't get connection at all, but that's relatively rare.

If you already knew this very basic, almost childish routine, then I hope nobody got dizzy and puked yet (sorry, I couldn't hold it) because of so many words written in the same comment.

I strongly encourage you to remember how a disadvantage can be cleverly used and changed into an advantage (again with patience and skill)... Like playing GT6 the hard way. Have you forgot when you've tried to play a GT game for the first time? How that car was moving all over the place more on the green side of the screen? What did u do? I think you found a good answer for this superfun Quick Match section some blame around too much. All your friends here, know you are a fighter. Show them you are more than that......


You also can get back on track and continue race.... Racing is a lot more important than winning... That's the strength that differentiates real champions from the crowd. In order to understand what is hidden behind every victory you need to accept and cope with loosing. Makes you wise and strong, gives you the power to collect yourself and get to the finish line... and start it over again... and enjoy it because you know you can do it. The only focus at the beginning, is how to stay focused and clean as a response to the other players craziness. Push the limits, don't get shortcuts, don't bump on purpose into anybody, improve the lines and hit all the braking points. Save the replays and watch them at the end of the day. That's why Quick Match is so challenging and fun.


Got 2.49.9xx in a GTR and 2.47.8xx with a yellow Audi.... and the GTR is much easier to handle while turning. The yellow Audi spins off the rears if you hit the throttle and goes crazy when you put the tires on the kerbs, so you need much better and softer control (skill) with the Audi.... So, in my opinion, if they get that fast in an Audi to catch up your GTR booty, then they do a hell of job in the first place only to handle the car(or the simulation of it). Corkscrew at Laguna Seca is the best example... GTR will get thru it like nothing (suspension and ride height)... Audi will slide away if you don't slow it down to the correct speed, feed it slowly over the top and wait for the right spot to hit the throttle and go down the hill.

I appreciate the tips, Yoda, I really do. It's just that I'm not interested in quick match. It's broken. A lot of the people are broken. I've already moved on.

 

[Xiamoto]

.................It's broken. ..........

The way I look at it is that it isn't broken because there are no specifications for it's construction.

 

[mister dog]

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That's not a chimp

 

[kilesa4568]

Quick match is horribly broken. Random penalties. Disconnections. Race craft devoid players. Too few laps...etc etc.

That's not a chimp

You sure it's not a chimp?

 

[Xiamoto]

.........You sure it's not a chimp?............

It's an orangutan.

 

[kilesa4568]

All this monkey business is causing a major thread derail but it is a chimp.

Similar to a lot of quick match drivers...

 

[steve nfs]

Got to race short-cut cos of all these ramming !

 

[F1jocker12]

Quick match is horribly broken. Random penalties. Disconnections. Race craft devoid players. Too few laps...etc etc.



You sure it's not a chimp?

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The more "funny" pictures you show here, or names you call other commentators, the more you expose yourself in any crazy way. You can loose other people respect in a second. Just saying....

 

[kilesa4568]

But if you read back on what I said originally:

"You're also talking to someone (Growling) who gets some amazingly quick times in the time trials. He's proved how skilled he is and probably doesn't need quick match tips. Armour and a 360 degree view would be handy though, if you've got them?"

I was trying to tell you that you're "preaching to the converted." ie, we've been around the block quite a few times (some a lot quicker than others...) and know how to race already. I only get top 1000 times (Sunday driver) but Growling is a top 100 driver. If I know race craft like I think I do, I'm sure he does too. The picture was supposed to be tongue in cheek humour though so I'm sorry if you took offence. I'm not sure where I called you a name so apologies for that too.

Also, Quick matches lack of any sort of realism. Mile long slipstreams, inconsistent collision and short cut penalties, people who think race craft doesn't apply to them, and last but not least, the fact quick match often takes longer to start than it does to find an open lobby race, which practically defeats its purpose.

My choosing not to do them is simple. I don't agree with wrecking another drivers race to improve my own. I did race after race when it first appeared and in hundreds of races, I could count the clean races on one hand. Reading these forums shows it hasn't improved. I'm fine coming last in a clean race instead of first in the dirty race I deserve a dozen black flags for.

(I'm not here for respect either. I'm here because these forums have a wealth of knowledge in them about my favourite game.)

 

[Fredzy]

One thing I doesn't like is , when your car push from side at some degree , you are the one to get penalise! Especially at tight corner or hairpins. Come on PD, analyse it who ever touch you behind get 1 second, (make them brake !), hit you , get 3 seconds and rammed you hard is 5 seconds. .......

I absolutely had it with this today. Getting rammed hard from the rear and/or side and getting penalties. I mean I probably got 1 or 2 legit penalties in 30+ QM races at Trial Mountain today. and I do pride myself on racing clean. I'm beginning to think the garbage, backwards penalties have something to do with peoples' poor internet connection confusing the game at time of penalty calculation? I don't know.

All that I can say, is that my throat is hoarse from screaming, lol. I had pretty decent luck with connections and got a few dominant runs going today so I can't complain too much. These quick matches have brought GT6 back from the dead for me, as imperfect as they are. As others have mentioned, stick it out in a room for a while and the quality of the racing tends to increase.

And I do wish shuffle would return.

 

[Xiamoto]

I've run several hundred QM Races and the latest Trial Mountain configuration has an improved penalty system vs. what I've previously experienced. It needs more refinement, but it's working for me. I have earned as much as 406k credits in a single race, so I say welcome to the new method of grinding!

 

[steve nfs]

Make it nothing happen ( go thru like ghost car ) when some drivers purposely brake for you to hit them. I encountered this situation, got penalty for 10 seconds !

 

[inri]

I've run several hundred QM Races and the latest Trial Mountain configuration has an improved penalty system vs. what I've previously experienced. It needs more refinement, but it's working for me. I have earned as much as 406k credits in a single race, so I say welcome to the new method of grinding!

Hi, I think I raced against you yesterday. :-P

It's still pretty bad IMO, in times such as when you try to go outside someone on a corner and they jam their car into the gap between you and the apex, and when you get shunted from behind at low speeds. I usually get a penalty then. Otherwise though, it's not so bad.

 

[Xiamoto]

.........Hi, I think I raced against you yesterday. :-P

........

Yes, I recall we had some pretty respectful races..................great to hear from you. I couldn't locate you in my "players met" list but I did try to reach and thank you for the clean racing. I've only come across 2 or three others who are in the 3:00's at Trial Mtn. I did race against one Alien at 2:58.xxx though. Based on your speed, I'm sure you've been able to figure out how to get the most out of QM grinding.....lol.

 

[Los Topador]

For me it goes WAY beyond Quickmatch. I used to race online in GT5 but when I was in the lead on the final lap two cars drove right through the side of a mountain, clocking my car which sent me flying off the track while they laughed and giggled. Then when I saw a 1949 VW Beetle outrun a Veyron on a long straight (with mods locked out I might addl), I rolled my eyes and left. Now I only race online with people I trust and when I host a public room I lock out mods of all kinds. Not too many takers for running stockers online....

 

[soupcan]

I did race against one Alien at 2:58.xxx though.

Was that today? Had one running in a room today killing it with a couple 2:56's and then later on another was running 3:03's with a Miura.

 

[TonyJZX]

i want to complain but i cant help but laugh at this mess

the netcode must be bad because all i see is warping bouncing spaceships for cars and penalties for people who get hit

nothing more funny than seeing idiots who cant drive in Suzuki GSX R/4s colliding all over the place like a pinball

 

[Xiamoto]

Was that today? Had one running in a room today killing it with a couple 2:56's and then later on another was running 3:03's with a Miura.

No, it was a few days ago. I recorded the race and watched it back a few times. I've either got alot of stuff to learn to go faster, or that was one heck of a disguised hybrid.......