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Burn in is a very real problem even on current Plasma's. I have seen people trash very expensive Plasma's fresh out of the box with burn in. Why do you think Plasma warranties explicitly don't cover burn in... because they know it's a flaw.
You must not have anything static on the screen for the first few 100 hours of use from new. After that it is more resistant but if you don't have the pixel orbiter on or don't move station logo's and other static stuff off screen using the zoom it will be permanently burned in after a few hours.
You get IR after only a few minutes but that disappears once the picture changes.
You must not have anything static on the screen for the first few 100 hours of use from new. After that it is more resistant but if you don't have the pixel orbiter on or don't move station logo's and other static stuff off screen using the zoom it will be permanently burned in after a few hours.
You get IR after only a few minutes but that disappears once the picture changes.
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Burn in can be fixed you need to use the static screen for a few hours or 24hr had this confirmed last night from a member at neogeoforlife.com who has fixed a set this way... He said regardless of the technology if it creates burn in it will work on CRT's and plasmas.. There is a limit but 90% of the time it will fix the problem. If that's your tv grey fox test it out
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It was an independent, and we closed down about 3 years ago now since the margins on the vast majority of equipment was razor thin thanks to competition from internet sites.. internet sites that offered zero service and products at <£10 mark-up over what we would buy from the manufacturers for... internet sites that would supply people that came to us to demo or audition the equipment, because that service is not available online... doing nothing but wasting our time. Sorry if actually trying to make money offends you, but on the immensely rare occasion it was possible to recoup losses, we took it.
You have the luxury of avoiding stores that price hike, but I bet you never pay full RRP for anything.
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You are right I never pay full price for anything if I don't have too and why would you? I do not own a credit/debit card and I normally buy locally a roll of cash is a great bargaining tool. more impressive than a thin piece of plastic it also seems the bigger the roll the more discount you will get...price hiking do not offend me I have been guilty of it myself. I just wondered if it was a chain I could potentially buy from I would like to know who it was so I do not get ripped off.
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I have three 36" widescreen Sony KV-HR36M31 tvs:
They cost $6000 back in the day. I got mine for about $50 each. They are seriously stunning, particularly after getting in to the service menu and tweaking. Out of the box they have massive overscan for starters. They do weigh nearly 100kg though!
Then, I have two Sony 34" 4:3 KV-AR34M36 tvs:
These are used mainly for a dual Time Crisis set up, but also for general retro gaming.
I also have a Loewe for good measure. Also for retro gaming:
@Robin. Yeah, that was probably the Pioneer prototype. The closest released product to that would be the KRP500M. As far as I know that had the 10th gen panel with 9th gen processing, hence it being unofficially dubbed gen 9.5. The 60 inch version did not have the 10th gen panel though. Basically, they had produced x amount of panels and frankensteined them to create what is comfortably the best display produced to date.
A few years ago we were saying "if only Pioneer continued". Even sadder, we're now saying "if only plasma continued".
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Amazing bro wish I had a hd capable crt, I am on the look out for a nice sony pvm myself i have to many retro consoles and not enough crt's 
I wonder if they done them sets in the pal area .. Good thing about pal is its RGB standard 
I wonder if they done them sets in the pal area .. Good thing about pal is its RGB standard
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I'm in Australia, and we're also PAL. I was checking out a similar looking UK version recently but it didn't have component input, but did have the Super Fine Pitch Tube. Weird, as scart and s-video can't carry hd. The US version even has hdmi. Amazing that in 2003 there was a crt that could display (not just accept) 1440x1080i resolution. For reference: several years before PS3 launched. No-one would have owned anything to take advantage of the capabilities until years later.Amazing bro wish I had a hd capable crt, I am on the look out for a nice sony pvm myself i have to many retro consoles and not enough crt's
Sony basically took the legendary GDM-FW900 monitor and made a tv out of it. Glorious hd, with effectively zero lag.
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Gdm - fw900 is the pc monitor ain't it , I seen people comparing them on you tube with oled TVs and the crt beats it on lag and blacks. The UK is virtually crt less now its virtually impossible to pick up certain model number. This will make me sound like a real gypsy but I normally take a trip to the council rubbish yard. They have a container were they keep all old crt TVs that people throw out, I have a dig around and take what I want give the boys some tinnies and there happy for the last year they haven't been many crt's that were 4:3 mostly 16:9 I have never seen any of them have component so I left the windscreens there. I mostly use the crt's for either retro console or arcade/mame machines. Maybe one day I be lucky.. Sorry for taking the thread way off topic
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Common burn in was this sort of thing.
TV station logo's or something like olympics logo that may have screwed some sets in some retail stores since they would have had it on it all day everyday
Just so happens that you posted a picture of an lcd.
My experience with plasmas suggests that different companies have different levels of vulnerability to retention and burn in. I'd say that Pioneer>Samsung>Panasonic in avoiding the two ailments. http://www.cnet.com/au/news/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/ supports that to a certain extent. I just wish that the Panasonics could have their clocks reset, as after 1000 hours of use the units change, and as a side effect become more vulnerable.
For anyone looking to get a plasma while they still can, the best deals right now would be a used Pioneer LX509 or a new Panasonic ST60. For bright rooms a Samsung 8500 is worth a look, but expensive compared to the Panasonic.
@vasiliflame http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Panasonic...tronics_Video_Televisions&hash=item20e8931b1d
That's the Panasonic version of the Sony. The materials used appear to be much the same, which tends to be the giveaway. Not as good as the Sony, but still......
Has component input.
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Thanks m8 I'll keep that for future reference, I have been trying to sort my games room out and haven't managed to do the retro consoles yet..I still need another 4:3 screen for tate , then I am starting on consoles like ps2/ps3 this is we're I need a 16:9 tv and a higher resolution I would rather use 720p than 1080 if it means I have no lag and brilliant blacks..
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CRT tvs are indeed rare and produce remarkable picture quality. I had a Sony Trinitron Wega and trying to find an LED / Plasma that would come close to the quality took me a month of research. After looking at many tvs and physically trying them hands on, I eventually went with my Sony Bravia. I sold the Wega on Craigslist to a person that was specifically searching for CRT tvs.I have three 36" widescreen Sony KV-HR36M31 tvs:
They cost $6000 back in the day. I got mine for about $50 each. They are seriously stunning, particularly after getting in to the service menu and tweaking. Out of the box they have massive overscan for starters. They do weigh nearly 100kg though!
Then, I have two Sony 34" 4:3 KV-AR34M36 tvs:
These are used mainly for a dual Time Crisis set up, but also for general retro gaming.
I also have a Loewe for good measure. Also for retro gaming:
@Robin. Yeah, that was probably the Pioneer prototype. The closest released product to that would be the KRP500M. As far as I know that had the 10th gen panel with 9th gen processing, hence it being unofficially dubbed gen 9.5. The 60 inch version did not have the 10th gen panel though. Basically, they had produced x amount of panels and frankensteined them to create what is comfortably the best display produced to date.
A few years ago we were saying "if only Pioneer continued". Even sadder, we're now saying "if only plasma continued".
Before I bought my new Sony Bravia tv I spent a solid month of hands on research in my pursuit to find the best tv. Makes me realize even more I made the smart decision when I chose NOT to go with a plasma. Its dang near impossible to top a really good LCD LED tv. I love my Sony Bravia 240hz LED 3d tv.
You can see my current gaming setup in my signature. It was quite the project but I am very happy with the results.
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I've just dumped a perfectly good 4:3 Sony CRT too
Still worked fine and had a great picture, but i just had no use or space for it anymore. Couldn't even put it in the loft as it was too heavy.
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. Awwww mate my emotions are like this at that newsI've just dumped a perfectly good 4:3 Sony CRT too
Still worked fine and had a great picture, but i just had no use or space for it anymore. Couldn't even put it in the loft as it was too heavy.
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No, I'm not. Burn-in is an INHERENT characteristic of the phosphors used in plasma technology. There is absolutely no way to eliminate the issue because phosphors wear. If any static image is displayed on a plasma screen for too much time, the phosphors will wear unevenly, causing permanent burn-in. If calling it image retention makes you sleep easier, so be it. But it is what it is... A damaged display.
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There would be barely a bigger fan of plasma than me, but burn in is a real and present risk to this day. Like I posted above different companies have different levels of tolerance though.
Unfortunately the best bang for buck tv in history (Panasonic ST60 series) is quite vulnerable, despite it's pixel orbiter.
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I am so glad I grabbed a 60" Panasonic VT60 plasma late last year at a great price, exactly one week before retail channel inventory seemed to dry up. Now they only seem to be available at specialty retailers who've jacked the price up to near-Kuro levels. It's a fantastic TV and a bargain for what I paid for it. I'm not concerned with burn-in so far as I'll I've experienced is minor image retention. It's a genuine mark in the con column for plasmas, but I dare say I don't remember everyone flipping out about it in the same way during the CRT days. Has nobody stepped inside an arcade? Am I that old?!
I've seen very few LCDs with image quality that I thought was outstanding, though the better ones look good and really cut through ambient light effectively since they offer pretty amazing brightness. I'm cautiously optimistic about the super bright Dolby Vision TVs as they could do a lot to create very realistic daylight scenes (imagine F1 on these things) and could offer amazing perceived contrast. OLED looks like a great technology if my Vita is anything to go by, but prices need to come waaay down and I need more data on their longevity/resistance to image retention relative to other tech I've experienced.
I've seen very few LCDs with image quality that I thought was outstanding, though the better ones look good and really cut through ambient light effectively since they offer pretty amazing brightness. I'm cautiously optimistic about the super bright Dolby Vision TVs as they could do a lot to create very realistic daylight scenes (imagine F1 on these things) and could offer amazing perceived contrast. OLED looks like a great technology if my Vita is anything to go by, but prices need to come waaay down and I need more data on their longevity/resistance to image retention relative to other tech I've experienced.
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Anyone ever seen the Sharp ELITE models?, they bought the naming rights from Pioneer in 2011 but went LCD and they were only in production till 2013. It was the closest an LCD ever got to a Plasma but it inherently couldn't match the refresh rates and motion.
OLED has the capacity to be as good as Plasma but it shares many of it's issues and currently is where Plasma was at the beginning with a short lifespan and easy burn in.
OLED has the capacity to be as good as Plasma but it shares many of it's issues and currently is where Plasma was at the beginning with a short lifespan and easy burn in.
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It's gave me headache badly.... 
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For retro stuff, a major problem is that people seem to be under the illusion that we can and should be making the original image look better. In a sense, old console and arcade games will look better when they're made to look worse. By that I refer to reproducing scan lines and the deliberate focus adjustments that used to be made to arcade machines in particular. I set up Metal Slug 2 on an hd crt, sd crt, and hd plasma. On the sd crt it looked bang on, but both the plasma and the hd crt needed scan lines and smoothing to make it look right. So, it's the resolution and not the other differences in tech that mattered most in that example.
Then we go to lcd though.... What a mess!! Perhaps a Light Boost capable display could alleviate some of the issues, but they're just so alien in their digital-ness. Granted, companies almost have managed to make the proverbial silk purse out of a sow's ear, but plasma was/is a tech with far fewer limitations to get around, and by default has that natural look to it.
As a picture frame, an lcd wins for sure, but plasma is leaps and bounds ahead for moving pictures of all varieties. And the faster the image movement, the further ahead it is.
Then we go to lcd though.... What a mess!! Perhaps a Light Boost capable display could alleviate some of the issues, but they're just so alien in their digital-ness. Granted, companies almost have managed to make the proverbial silk purse out of a sow's ear, but plasma was/is a tech with far fewer limitations to get around, and by default has that natural look to it.
As a picture frame, an lcd wins for sure, but plasma is leaps and bounds ahead for moving pictures of all varieties. And the faster the image movement, the further ahead it is.
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If your into retro gaming I am afraid its the only way to go ... For authenticity
Well yeah, that basically true.
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I think it helps for retro systems on LCD if you get one of the rare LCDs that supported 240p video. My newer TV destroys my older one in every measure of image quality. Less blur, better color reproduction, more even lighting, much better contrast... except when I'm running my X'Eye on it. Then the lack of native 240p support like the old one had (and the weird forced interlacing it does to convert it into 480i) makes it look very odd in motion.
The old one certainly didn't pull the image quality that my grandmother's Sony CRT did, but it was still much better than any non-HDTV I ever hooked it up to. Now... not so much.
The old one certainly didn't pull the image quality that my grandmother's Sony CRT did, but it was still much better than any non-HDTV I ever hooked it up to. Now... not so much.
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I know we're getting sidetracked, but if you retro gamers haven't read these articles, they're pretty informative.
The Best CRT Monitor for Retro Gaming
Good info, though I'm not sure I'm going to reintroduce a CRT in my life. I don't miss the weight and generally poor geometry. But I do miss light gun support and lack of image processing lag.
Deinterlacing, Scaling, Processing: Classic videogame systems on LCD and Plasma screens
Good info for making the best of a bad situation.
The Best CRT Monitor for Retro Gaming
Good info, though I'm not sure I'm going to reintroduce a CRT in my life. I don't miss the weight and generally poor geometry. But I do miss light gun support and lack of image processing lag.
Deinterlacing, Scaling, Processing: Classic videogame systems on LCD and Plasma screens
Good info for making the best of a bad situation.
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Joy. I just went from the second best tv ever produced, to the first best betterer bestest tv ever produced. Pioneer PDP-C509a --> Pioneer PDP-LX509a. Stunning. I was freaking out thinking that if oled doesn't take hold, that I might be stuck with only lcd choices if my unit failed. I toyed with idea of grabbing a Panasonic before they disappeared, but the Pioneer popped up. Upgrade and back-up in place with one hit.
I can whole-heartedly recommend this circa 2008 tech over anything else that has surfaced since. Now I'm just left with a KRP-500M sized hole in my life.
Side note, considering all of the crt talk that went on - I've since added a Bang and Olufsen MX4200, a JVC pvm, and a Sony pvm to the collection.
I can whole-heartedly recommend this circa 2008 tech over anything else that has surfaced since. Now I'm just left with a KRP-500M sized hole in my life.
Side note, considering all of the crt talk that went on - I've since added a Bang and Olufsen MX4200, a JVC pvm, and a Sony pvm to the collection.
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