Race Of Champions - Round 1 - Complete

[The Outlaw]

Well, it's true that the setup is far from ideal. But I think that the goal here is to get everyone exactly on the same line. Not to get the ideal/fastest performance from the car.

And also, I think it's naive to even participate in the event if not going to obey the rules. If someone is not going to.. it's their own loss..

Just my opinion. 👍

Of course the goal is to have everyone on even playing grounds, regardless of how ideal the default tune is. The problem I was pointing out with using the default tune is that it likely leaves a large margin for improvement, which some drivers may unjustly take advantage of without their opponent ever knowing. If we provided a variety of tunes to pick from, each driver could pick an optimal tune for their particular driving style, and there really would be no way for a competitor to gain an advantage by having a tune that was far superior to the default tune. Hope that makes sense.

"And also, I think it's naive to even participate in the event if not going to obey the rules. If someone is not going to.. it's their own loss.."

Yea I completely agree, and it will ALSO be a loss for the person that they unfairly knocked out of the competition thanks to their superior tune that they should not have been using to begin with. I would be disgusted to be on the receiving end of someone who was using a non default tune...but then again...how would you ever know? That's the part I don't like in such a large competition like this. Like I said before, it is a bit a naive to think that out of close to a hundred competitors, at least one wouldn't cheat their way to a final, or at least to advance.

 

[JvM]

Yes, got the point where there is a really large margin for improvement. That's a fact. And yes it leaves it completely based on trust.

After all this isn't about winning, it's about fun. Atleast for me.

Everyone who cheats shall burn in hell.

 

[The Outlaw]

Everyone who cheats shall burn in hell.

You heard the man people!

Btw, I like the smiley...looks evil as all hell

 

[Horde_R35]

Yes, got the point where there is a really large margin for improvement. That's a fact. And yes it leaves it completely based on trust.

After all this isn't about winning, it's about fun. Atleast for me.

Everyone who cheats shall burn in hell.

haha! We will have to trust everybody! Plus whos not fair chud be banned from every GT forum! The car has a very soft suspension so its a bit tricky! Anyone can win this thing coz almost everybodys a top driver here:tup:! Lets see what happens! Lot of surprises at the end of the 1st round i think! PS: NISSMAN vs LACKO omg

 

[Jack]

timeattack07gt - You suggest have a set amount of tunes for all the racer. Say I had 2 tuning garages mate make a tune each. That gives people 2 tunes to choose from... How do you expect that to be different from the situation we are in now? How do you know that they are using those tunes excatly, and not tweaked anything to gain a benefit there?

You dont. With the set tune idea, we dont know excatly. Its about trust. If anyone plans on cheating I hope they leave now, as this is a fun competetion to keep interest up in GT. Maybe instead of trying to pull this competition apart, you / we focus on the fun aspect and enjoying racing others.

Jack

 

[GTP_Deathwalker]

should be fun in my race PGT vs PGT

 

[oldnail]

Looking forward to racing with Jack, need to get in some serious practice now! If people do cheat I don't know how thay can live with themselves personally. There is nothing satisfying about winning if you have used an unfair advantage to do it!

 

[GTP_Deathwalker]

i gather G25 users can use the 6 speed shifter, just no clutch?

 

[markyboy92]

That again is why time trial would be better, for all we know somebody could go through each round cheating, like you said jack.... trust i guess...

 

[MeAgainstYou]

i think that if someone isnt using default tune.. i can spot it! the gears ratio.. the opponent should change the gears at the same time as me.. the acceleration should be the same... imagine that i make a good T1 and my opponent is still gaining a lot on me... i would know it! ofcourse that the knowledge about the opponent will make it easy to spot. most of times we'll know what the opponent is capable to do 👍

F430 N1 event could have solved this issue

 

[MeAgainstYou]

That again is why time trial would be better, for all we know somebody could go through each round cheating, like you said jack.... trust i guess...

👎

 

[GTP_Deathwalker]

Racing is Racing, TT is hotlapping, like Slow Cars in F1 qualifying, Hotlapping to make a good grid position, And its in the name , RACE of Champions

 

[Sureboss]

That again is why time trial would be better, for all we know somebody could go through each round cheating, like you said jack.... trust i guess...

Most cheaters will get found out within the variety of GTP/non-GTP events/standard racing.

Who went and gave me Dan? That said, I did like how the RX-7 handled around London, just not the tightness of the circuit!

 

[The Outlaw]

timeattack07gt - You suggest have a set amount of tunes for all the racer. Say I had 2 tuning garages mate make a tune each. That gives people 2 tunes to choose from... How do you expect that to be different from the situation we are in now? How do you know that they are using those tunes excatly, and not tweaked anything to gain a benefit there?

You dont. With the set tune idea, we dont know excatly. Its about trust. If anyone plans on cheating I hope they leave now, as this is a fun competetion to keep interest up in GT. Maybe instead of trying to pull this competition apart, you / we focus on the fun aspect and enjoying racing others.

Jack

Again, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I thought I clearly portrayed what I was trying to get across in my last post, but I guess not. I'm just saying, if you provide a tune which is far more optimal than the default tune, the window for possible cheaters to do minor tweaks here and there is far less beneficial when you are already given a tune which is close to optimal. It's a simple fix to the competition, to help eliminate or greatly reduce the benefits of any cheating. In the worse case scenario where your competitor does cheat by doing a few tweaks to his tune, at least you would have a much better chance of keeping up versus if you were stuck using the crappy default tune. The difference between the default tune and an optimal tune is probably something like 2 seconds if I were to take a guess.

This is your competition so it is completely up to you, I was just trying to make a suggestion that would help further safeguard the competitors...but hey if you don't want to do that, that's fine to 👍

i think that if someone isnt using default tune.. i can spot it! the gears ratio.. the opponent should change the gears at the same time as me.. the acceleration should be the same... imagine that i make a good T1 and my opponent is still gaining a lot on me... i would know it! ofcourse that the knowledge about the opponent will make it easy to spot. most of times we'll know what the opponent is capable to do 👍

F430 N1 event could have solved this issue

Yea, but you sure won't be able to spot someone who has their suspension dialed in after being unfairly eliminated, and you have absolutely no way of calling him/her out on it...

I agree the 430 N1 event would have been perfect for such a competition, being that there is no tuning allowed 👍

 

[Horde_R35]

I have an ideia, and i think its a good one! How about best of 3 races?? Its fair to everyone! One race with this kind of racers just shows whos is the lucky one LOL. What u guys think??

 

[The Outlaw]

I have an ideia, and i think its a good one! How about best of 3 races?? Its fair to everyone! One race with this kind of racers just shows whos is the lucky one LOL. What u guys think??

I'd be up for that 👍 I think it would make things more worth while as well, since we're waiting quite some time just for one round to await us. Plus like you said, it decrease the chances of someone advancing due to a bit of luck or what not.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

I also think best of 3 is the way too go, more racing time and more fair winner:tup:


About deafult rx7 tune, its actually quite good, even the gears is nice! Im maybe naive, but I think most of GTP crowd are fair drivers

 

[The Outlaw]

I also think best of 3 is the way too go, more racing time and more fair winner:tup:


About deafult rx7 tune, its actually quite good, even the gears is nice! Im maybe naive, but I think most of GTP crowd are fair drivers

I agree, I think the default rx7 tune handles just fine.

"but I think most of GTP crowd are fair drivers"

Key word being most

 

[Jack]

Again, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I thought I clearly portrayed what I was trying to get across in my last post, but I guess not. I'm just saying, if you provide a tune which is far more optimal than the default tune, the window for possible cheaters to do minor tweaks here and there is far less beneficial when you are already given a tune which is close to optimal. It's a simple fix to the competition, to help eliminate or greatly reduce the benefits of any cheating. In the worse case scenario where your competitor does cheat by doing a few tweaks to his tune, at least you would have a much better chance of keeping up versus if you were stuck using the crappy default tune. The difference between the default tune and an optimal tune is probably something like 2 seconds if I were to take a guess.

If a participant tweak a tune, whether it was the deafault tune or a good tune, they would gain the same amount of time either way. Unless they are stupid, they would change the tune to gain around .5xx a lap (would still be able to notice this but just an example). On the deafault tune they would make small changes to gain .5xx alap and on the custom tune they would tune it to suit their style and gain .5xx.

Either way the time would be gain. They wouldnt change it to make big differences, its the small changes we need to look out for.

I agree the 430 N1 event would have been perfect for such a competition, being that there is no tuning allowed 👍

The style of the event is ideal but the tyre chioce isnt. Not everyone is able to control and race a 430 on N1's. Even if you can control it, it isnt racing.

I agree, I think the default rx7 tune handles just fine.

"but I think most of GTP crowd are fair drivers"

Key word being most I've had some bad experiences with a few BTH members in the past, and I just happen to be faced with a BTH member for the first round. Not saying he is a cheater, just hard to say being that I have absolutely no prior experience racing the guy, and he only has one post to his name on this board.

Im not having any of that in this event either. If you have a problem with them about cheating you PM me. You are not posting in here accussing different racers about their tune. The event isnt going to work by getting peoples backs up, but by trust. So you, and anyone else who plans too, can cut it out now.

Come on guys, this is a fun event. Stop thinking of negatives and 'how' it can be made better when Ive thought about this setting up the event. I dont mind constructive criticism eg. 3 races in this round, which Im now adding in.

Jack

 

[Timppaq]

Anyone who fears that somebody will tune the car and therefore gain advantage should not race in this comp. I don't understand the whining in this thread about possible cheating. You read the op so you knew what you signed up for. If that's such a big problem, why sing up?

Just have fun and enjoy the races you get. It's not (just) about winning always.. 👍

 

[The Outlaw]

Anyone who fears that somebody will tune the car and therefore gain advantage should not race in this comp. I don't understand the whining in this thread about possible cheating. You read the op so you knew what you signed up for. If that's such a big problem, why sing up?

Good point Timo 👍 If I'm going to continue whining, I shouldn't have signed up knowing the rules beforehand.

I'm just trying to give simple advice to further safeguard the competition, but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to hear it anyway I'll stop now haha

 

[Jack]

New Rule Added:

Race Specifics:

• Head to head Online race.
• 5 lap race.
• Number of Races: 3 Race - Best of 3
• If 5 laps are not possible, then the 30 second countdown will determine the end of the race.
• If the 30 second countdown rule comes into play, the leading car at the end of the countdown will be deemed the winner.
• All head to head races will start from the grid slots 1 and 2, on the start / finish line.
• The Driver Listed on the left hand side of each pairing will begin first on the grid. The pairings are made at random.
• Any interference by non participants (drivers taking part in the public race) during the race will sometimes be unavoidable and should therefore be considered as an unavoidable part of the game.

 

[GTP_Mav3r1cK]

Some good points coming out here, and I have to agree with those who are concerned about the possibility of some being dishonest. As much as we would all like to think everyone will play in the spirit of the GTP OLR Rules, the sad fact is that there will be those who will want to take every advantage they can.

For me it seems the best option would be to minimise the gap as much as possible on the particular issue, meaning anyone who does decide to bend the rules, will have far less of an advantage. I would therefore say the earlier suggestion of posting an uprated tune of Jack's choice would be the best way of combating the issue. At least then were likely to be talking about 100's and 10's of seconds rather than gaps of perhaps as much as 2 or 3 seconds.

What ever the end score EVERYONE will have to install some level of faith in the person they are racing, otherwise we might as well not bother. Those who feel the need to fiddle with settings and cheat their was to victory are more than welcome to as far as I'm concerned, at least I will know that I will have tried my level best with the default settings and can be proud of anything I achieve.

Good luck to all for this tournament,

Mav

 

[Christhedude]

ok looking forward to that!!

Chris

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

Nice you made it best of 3 Good choice jack 👍

 

[JvM]

👍

 

[Hyper-Dan]

Nice you made it best of 3 Good choice jack 👍

+1

Roll on next sunday. 👍

 

[Horde_R35]

Nice you made it best of 3 Good choice jack 👍

I thought it was a good ideia hehe 👍

 

[markyboy92]

Good idea:tup:

 

[holl01]

Hey, I missed the sign up for this event, any chance I could be put down as a reserve driver incase someone can't race their race?