Race Of Champions - Round 4

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Nice one MAY :cheers: Another tough competitor falls at your hands :lol: Anyways, good luck in the next round bro...may the force be with you :sly: 👍
 
Hello, had an interesting race with PASM this evening, I went into the race with 0 practice laps, elected to go with the Lancer IX tuned (a reccomendation from PASM himself) We commenced the race and I was well off the pace, dropped down to 3.5-4 secs behind PASM pretty quickly, lap 3 or 4 I couldn't pass an unknown successfully (well I did, but then he would dive into the following corner like a maniac in an attempt to regain the position, shunting me in the sand on 2 occasions) so when i finally passed him I was 7 seconds behind, with only 4 laps to go, feeling as If the race was over, I still drove solidly, gaining just under half a tenth lap 7 or 8, but It wasn't enough and on the start of lap 8 or 9, decided to stop racing. I then voiced my concerns to PASM via the text chat facility, stating that I felt that my race was destroyed by the unknowner, and that If it were just us 2, the race result would be unclear, at the time of the run in with the unkowner, I was only 3.5 seconds off, I calculated that I could have made up 2.5-3 secs from then on to catch PASM's slip stream before the end If there was no incident with the unknowner, he kindly agreed with me and we agreed to race another one.

The next race was absolutely neck and neck for the first 8 laps, I pitted on lap 8 and had a solid out lap, I was around 3.5 secs off when PASM pitted at the end of lap 9, I leap frogged PASM in the pits and when he regoined the race, he was just outside slip stream distance, that same distance/margine remained for the last lap and I won by around 1/1.5 seconds, I very satisfying victory. I then texted PASM and proposed that we race another race, essentially returning the favour to PASM for allowing a race 2.

Race 3 I was very quick and hassling PASM like a bad smell, at the end of lap 3 I decided to TRY and pit lol, the attempt failed spectacularly as I went head first into the pit entry wall, It was an absolutely incredible mistake which left me 7.5 seconds off the pace when I rejoined the race, I persisted and the gap was slowly decreasing as PASM pitted lap 5 or 6, gap now was 3.5 seconds, a further 2 laps later the gap was 2.4 seconds, and on lap 8 i pushed to hard on the first corner and went into the sand, instantly, switched off the PS3, probably 0.8 second reaction time from the moment i realised I had entered the sand to the moment my finger made contact with the off button on the PS3 console, haha. So i guess the result is a victory to PASM, but I might have to talk to him again to see If he wants another race, because theoretically, we had 2 clean unaffected races, and after those 2 races, the result is 1-1, so it is an interesting descision, no one has really won the race in my opinion, maybe I went down 1.5-1. Anyways, what do you think?

If you ask me, you basically gave up when you turned off your PS3, so Bart won.
 
@Dan: if you ask me..

if i want you to be on the next round? yes, i want it :D

who deserve to pass? PASM

heres my onpinion:

this wasnt the best of 3 but if it was... you lost the 1st(unfair but wasnt against the rules) (1-0 for PASM) PASM was a great guy an re-run it for you. you won the 2nd.. you should have take it! (1-1) but you're a great guy and an re-run it.. 3rd race you gave up.. i see (2-1) for PASM

about beeing a fair guy re-running.. 1-1 👍 fair enough
 
As MAY said we had 2 close races i made 1 mistake what was 1 to much.
I think the only way to win against MAY would have been with luck and slipstream in the final round, he was faster the whole race. 👍

Good luck for your next races :)
 
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Yes i know pasm probably deserves the win, but i asked because maybe he would like to race it again, to try and beat me officially, no grey areas, i switched off the ps3 because i resigned and gave up the race, the point i was getting at is all intensive purposes, logically, the margine is 1-1 between me and PASM. the main reason why i want to race again is because i had a great time, i really enjoyed the races and would like to run it again, properly
 
If you ask me, you basically gave up when you turned off your PS3, so Bart won.


Yes i agree the winner is Bart IF Bart doesnt want to re run it, If Pasm would like to re rrun it then great, otherwise< i bow out off the tournament, and leave with mixed feelings
 
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@Dan: if you ask me..

if i want you to be on the next round? yes, i want it :D

who deserve to pass? PASM

heres my onpinion:

this wasnt the best of 3 but if it was... you lost the 1st(unfair but wasnt against the rules) (1-0 for PASM) PASM was a great guy an re-run it for you. you won the 2nd.. you should have take it! (1-1) but you're a great guy and an re-run it.. 3rd race you gave up.. i see (2-1) for PASM

about beeing a fair guy re-running.. 1-1 👍 fair enough

yes, thankyou mate:tup: we can always race the remaining races unofficially anyway:tup: good luck for the rest of the tounament and well done on beating zocker:tup:
 
But the rules clearly state

Any interference by non participants (drivers taking part in the public race) during the race will sometimes be unavoidable and should therefore be considered as an unavoidable part of the game.

I really don't understand why Bart should offer a re-run when he has already won (twice at that) a race that was run well within the rules stipulated by the race manager. I can understand that Dan would want to run a deciding and clean race but that should be done outside of the competition. It's my very humble opinion that you are putting a bit of unfair public pressure on PASM to offer a re run of a race without just cause.
 
Theres no pressure, What a silly statement to make, I dont care anymore to be honest, I was just trying to use logic, obviously theres no place for logic here in this thread
 
I then voiced my concerns to PASM via the text chat facility, stating that I felt that my race was destroyed by the unknowner ... he kindly agreed with me and we agreed to race another one.

The next race ... I won by around 1/1.5 seconds, I very satisfying victory. I then texted PASM and proposed that we race another race, essentially returning the favour to PASM for allowing a race 2.


Race 3 ... I went head first into the pit entry wall, It was an absolutely incredible mistake which left me 7.5 seconds off the pace when I rejoined the race ... probably 0.8 second reaction time from the moment i realised I had entered the sand to the moment my finger made contact with the off button on the PS3 console, haha. So i guess the result is a victory to PASM, but I might have to talk to him again to see If he wants another race. Anyways, what do you think?

I think that you should have agreed what to do the same way that you did with the earlier races. Privately, and immediately. Not to make it public by coming here like neither of you did with the earlier races either.

It does put a bit pressure on PASM, even if you don't mean it to. You are one of the fastest & respected driver in OLR and therefore he might feel even more pressure.

And what's with the zero practice laps? Maybe if practised a 1/2 lap you wouldn't need to be doing this conversation at all? 💡
 
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It does put a bit pressure on PASM, even if you don't mean it to. You are one of the fastest & respected driver in OLR and therefore he might feel even more pressure.

Remember Holland


"With great powers comes great responsibility"

:sly: 👍
 
Congratulations PASM!

It doesent matter how fast you are in TT's, real racing will show the true Champions

And this is the Race of Champions...
 
Well done Bart, incredible victory and fully deserved 👍

Also well done to Bruno, the rest of you need to be afraid, very afraid :lol:

All the best
Maz
 
Theres no pressure, What a silly statement to make, I dont care anymore to be honest, I was just trying to use logic, obviously theres no place for logic here in this thread

There is place for logic, and that was in the PM I sent you, when I told you PASM had gone through. After I recieved a PM from PASM telling me the situation I explain it to you and wrote this line:

Jack
...These events have made me come to the conclusion of PASM progressing to the next round.

If either of you have an issue with this, PM me asap.

You didnt have an issue or PM me that "race method", instead you agreed you had been beaten and I thought that was the end of it. Instead you made that post hoping for a re-run.

I take offence to the logic line, and its simple to me. PASM goes through.
 
Fellow GTP'ers,

My race against Dan has caused quite a stir. I will discuss it, with quotes from the previous posts.

Race Report:
Hello, had an interesting race with PASM this evening, I went into the race with 0 practice laps, elected to go with the Lancer IX tuned (a reccomendation from PASM himself) We commenced the race and I was well off the pace, dropped down to 3.5-4 secs behind PASM pretty quickly, lap 3 or 4 I couldn't pass an unknown successfully (well I did, but then he would dive into the following corner like a maniac in an attempt to regain the position, shunting me in the sand on 2 occasions) so when i finally passed him I was 7 seconds behind, with only 4 laps to go, feeling as If the race was over, I still drove solidly, gaining just under half a tenth lap 7 or 8, but It wasn't enough and on the start of lap 8 or 9, decided to stop racing. I then voiced my concerns to PASM via the text chat facility, stating that I felt that my race was destroyed by the unknowner, and that If it were just us 2, the race result would be unclear, at the time of the run in with the unkowner, I was only 3.5 seconds off, I calculated that I could have made up 2.5-3 secs from then on to catch PASM's slip stream before the end If there was no incident with the unknowner, he kindly agreed with me and we agreed to race another one.

The next race was absolutely neck and neck for the first 8 laps, I pitted on lap 8 and had a solid out lap, I was around 3.5 secs off when PASM pitted at the end of lap 9, I leap frogged PASM in the pits and when he regoined the race, he was just outside slip stream distance, that same distance/margine remained for the last lap and I won by around 1/1.5 seconds, I very satisfying victory. I then texted PASM and proposed that we race another race, essentially returning the favour to PASM for allowing a race 2.

Race 3 I was very quick and hassling PASM like a bad smell, at the end of lap 3 I decided to TRY and pit lol, the attempt failed spectacularly as I went head first into the pit entry wall, It was an absolutely incredible mistake which left me 7.5 seconds off the pace when I rejoined the race, I persisted and the gap was slowly decreasing as PASM pitted lap 5 or 6, gap now was 3.5 seconds, a further 2 laps later the gap was 2.4 seconds, and on lap 8 i pushed to hard on the first corner and went into the sand, instantly, switched off the PS3, probably 0.8 second reaction time from the moment i realised I had entered the sand to the moment my finger made contact with the off button on the PS3 console, haha. So i guess the result is a victory to PASM, but I might have to talk to him again to see If he wants another race, because theoretically, we had 2 clean unaffected races, and after those 2 races, the result is 1-1, so it is an interesting descision, no one has really won the race in my opinion, maybe I went down 1.5-1. Anyways, what do you think?

Good report. Stating the facts as they were. First let me state that racing you was fun and clean, especially in the second race.

After the first race we started to chat, Dan trying to convince me that we should re-race. This decision was very hard for me. I had just won of one of the greatest Gran Turismo players. But offcourse, I know you hadn't practiced. Maybe if you did, the race would have been different. Still, I was flabbergasted to see me build a solid lead in the first few laps. You stated that one faster lap than me in that race (combined with some racing dispute with an other driver) was enough to be entitled to a re-race. What I don't get is that you gave up. I get that you were frustrated, even more frustrated than I could imagine. But still, race drivers don't bend under frustrations in my humble opinion.

Yes i know pasm probably deserves the win, but i asked because maybe he would like to race it again, to try and beat me officially, no grey areas, i switched off the ps3 because i resigned and gave up the race, the point i was getting at is all intensive purposes, logically, the margine is 1-1 between me and PASM. the main reason why i want to race again is because i had a great time, i really enjoyed the races and would like to run it again, properly
I enjoyed it too, very much.


To elaborate on the decision after race 1 to re-race:
But the rules clearly state

Any interference by non participants (drivers taking part in the public race) during the race will sometimes be unavoidable and should therefore be considered as an unavoidable part of the game.

I really don't understand why Bart should offer a re-run when he has already won (twice at that) a race that was run well within the rules stipulated by the race manager. I can understand that Dan would want to run a deciding and clean race but that should be done outside of the competition. It's my very humble opinion that you are putting a bit of unfair public pressure on PASM to offer a re run of a race without just cause.
And:
You were lucky to get race 2 IMHO.
As I were having a hard time deciding what to do, I decided to consult Jack for his opinion. I was already in the Live chatroom and so was Jack. I told him what was going on. Then he also referred to the rule that Cohiba mentions here. But I didn't want to win like this. Even though giving up and that rule said me to decide otherwise.

After race 2:
Dan kindly returned the favour, saying that he was prepared to call it 1-1.

About the discussion here:
Theres no pressure, What a silly statement to make, I dont care anymore to be honest, I was just trying to use logic, obviously theres no place for logic here in this thread
And:
I think that you should have agreed what to do the same way that you did with the earlier races. Privately, and immediately. Not to make it public by coming here like neither of you did with the earlier races either.

It does put a bit pressure on PASM, even if you don't mean it to. You are one of the fastest & respected driver in OLR and therefore he might feel even more pressure.
Dan, you offcourse may apply logic to this. It is your right to be critical about a situation like this. But I do agree with Timppaq. In lap 8, you turned off the console. I raced on, and waited 10 minutes after the race to see if you would come online again and send me a pm, or even a pm here on GTP. But that didn't happen. I didn't have the time to wait longer because I had somewhere to be. Race 1 already started 1 hour later than planned.


If you ask me, you basically gave up when you turned off your PS3, so Bart won.
Congratulations PASM!
It doesent matter how fast you are in TT's, real racing will show the true Champions
And this is the Race of Champions...
Well done Bart, incredible victory and fully deserved 👍
Thanks Stijn Tizzla and Maz, for the support.

Yes i agree the winner is Bart IF Bart doesnt want to re run it, If Pasm would like to re rrun it then great, otherwise< i bow out off the tournament, and leave with mixed feelings
In my opinion, the result is 2-1. A re-run is not justified. On top of that, I haven't got any time to race again before the deadline of round 4.

That said, I hope there are no hard feelings left (if there were any). I think we can resume having a great time here. 👍
 
Theres no pressure, What a silly statement to make, I dont care anymore to be honest, I was just trying to use logic, obviously theres no place for logic here in this thread
PMSL!

If you ask me, I reckon you assumed you'd breeze this round. To not practise the event at this stage, shows signs that you didn't care in the first place - until you were beaten.

Me and Tizzla agreed that unless dramatic contact occurs with newbies on the first lap, then it's tough luck and it's what we will have to put up with. Funnily, we both did have contact on the first couple of laps but we carried on and completed the race as fairly as Prologue allows us to.

In the year I've been on GTP I've seen you top an abundance of time-trials, often with probably less than half the amount of laps than anyone else. But (and that's a big but...a bit like J-Lo's) I've never raced you, not once! I've raced against everyone else in this champs...but never you.

I think you underestimated the consistency and capabilities of drivers like PASM, who are extremely experienced with racing conditions; such as being quick off the mark, dealing with slower cars and punters etc and you're doing no favours to your reputation in my eyes, by whinging and yes you are, putting unintentional pressure on PASM.

Congratulations to PASM, again...and chin up Holl01.

Next time, do some practise laps, read the rules and enjoy yourself no matter the outcome.

Good luck to those who still have to run :)
 
PMSL!

If you ask me, I reckon you assumed you'd breeze this round. To not practise the event at this stage, shows signs that you didn't care in the first place - until you were beaten.

When you commence a post, passage of writing, its always handy to start with something that makes sense, like hello, good evening, not pmsl?? what the hell is that supposed to mean, i did care and i wanted to make it fair to pasm as pasm made it clear that he knew i was a superior driver, i decided that having no practice laps would give pasm a good chance to win, and the idea was perfect if it werent for the unknowner shunting me in the sand, i have not once said, i dont deserve to loose, and made a fuss over it like a baby, all my statments have been logic, doesnt matter about turning off the ps3 and not messaging anyone, what matters is the events, we had 2 unaffected races, with 2 clear result, 1 affected race with an unclear result, that affected race was deemed to be a non contest. now those are the events

thanks pasm for replying, i read the entire post and was impressed by your logic and reasoning, and accept your descision to not re run the combo, i was much faster than you in race 3 and the result might have been very different if i didnt hit the pit entry wall, these things happen though, all the best for the next race

my main intention was to lay out a logical conclusion to the race, and i feel that i am still right about there being a need for a re run, but i am not going to go any further
 
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Ok...I was hoping you guys would have this issue resolved by now. Since it is not, I'll throw in my 2 cents 👍

I don't get the reason why you guys went to a 3rd race, yet still couldn't come up with a valid result...? It should only take 1 fair/clean race to determine the winner as the rules outline...not 3 or 4.

Dan: If you thought you won the 2nd race fair and square then why didn't you just end it there!? As you obviously were the superior driver and won the race UNQUESTIONABLY! Instead you gave PASM another chance to eliminate you which ended up biting you in the rear and now you seem to regret doing so :odd: I'm not sure what you were expecting if you happened to lose the 3rd race, which you did. In my eyes that's basically what tells the story of who deserves to advance and who does not. Not only that, you basically hung up your hat by logging off, not finishing the race and failing to notify PASM of what happened. What's up with that? That alone is enough to give the nod to PASM IMO...
 
its a shame to lose some fast guys like you Dan... but many others already fell.. and we are nearly the end.. so if it isnt a shame to lose on this competition even more at this point!

besides that we can see some good points on your arguments, they arent enough against other good points in favor of Bart. if Bart won races against an already known and feared guy.. he thorougly deserve to pass due his efforts 👍 thats it.. we dont need to make a movie because of this otherwise we could make a lot of movies reporting situations like this.. thats the fun of this events.. a lot of surprises happens when we dont expect :P

this was turning into some type of "Acuse someone" thread.. so this "thread" is closed now! ;)

Congratulations to Tizzla and PASM :cheers:

and thanks Maz :) btw mathematician... (out of topic to give some fresh air..) can you answer to this!? :mischievous:

if 4-4=0 & 5-5=0, i deduce that 4=5 am i right? :lol: :dopey:
 
if 4-4=0 & 5-5=0, i deduce that 4=5 am i right? :lol: :dopey:

Only thing you can state from that is:

4-4=0, 5-5=0
=>
5-5=4-4
or
5-5+4=4
or
5-5-4=-4
and so on... :sly:

On topic:
Let's move on. There will be enough fun events in the future. 💡

Edit:
See :dopey: sign up for Event 03 has just started :D
 
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Dan: If you thought you won the 2nd race fair and square then why didn't you just end it there!? ...


I already answered that question, it was a returning of the favour act that i propesed we race a 3rd one, Bart was very generous to allow a 2nd race, so I thought i'd be generous to him, and i also thought it was the most logical thing to do, it would have been extremely cruel and unjust to Bart if i said, well, thats it i won, when he drove exceptionally well in the first race and probably should have stitched it up then and there:tup:
 
If I ever beat Holl01, no matter the circumstances, Im calling it a victory and telling everyone, lol, jk.
 
Race Report BTH_szoag vs. GTP_Chris (me)

race started with me in 1st and szoag in 2nd. had a good start and race went great for me until approaching the chicane in the first lap. I got a bump from another driver in a Nissan which got me into the grass of the chicane and szoag passed me.

So that meant i had some great catching up to do.
I think i had a 3-4 sec gap from szoag.

He pitted in lap 3 which gave the lead then and i think it was lap 5 or 6 we he made a little mistake at the hairpin which gave me 0.5 sec more.
I kept pushing until lap 8 were i pitted and i stayed infront.
Carried it then home over the last 2 laps.

Great racing against BTH_szoag. He was clean and very fair!

Chris
 
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