Race-Rigging Scandal Hits Gran Turismo World Series

[Com Fox]

I hate that I'm familiar with the style of cheating from official Mario Kart tournaments because it reminds me this style of cheating and race manipulation was done in Mario Kart of all games before Gran Turismo and that knowledge is quite sad.

 

[snc]

PD issued a tempban from GT7 for Samuel (and presumably the other drivers involved).




GTS92 has ejected Samuel, Mateo and Martin from the team.

Mateo has also been removed from PRiMA Esports… and he is completely unrepentant about what he did going by this tweet:

Lol great behaviour ;d Also worth remembering how he totaly plebbed final race and he got champ only because of amazing drive ealier by Mehdi and Kokubun ;d On the other hand people should relax a little, they got banned, thats enough of punishment. No need for witch hunt on social media.

 

[Talon16]

Lol great behaviour ;d Also worth remembering how he totaly plebbed final race and he got champ only because of amazing drive ealier by Mehdi and Kokubun ;d On the other hand people should relax a little, they got banned, thats enough of punishment. No need for witch hunt on social media.

I don't think you understand how the internet works...

 

[kasperikempp]

Probably doesn't want to burn any bridges yet, looking at the other Tweets the ban is only 1 week long so he can race in nations next week.

This is eSports, everything comes out eventually.

Wait what. They can race on nations? Thats unbelievable

 

[hayward101]

PD issued a tempban from GT7 for Samuel (and presumably the other drivers involved).




GTS92 has ejected Samuel, Mateo and Martin from the team.

Mateo has also been removed from PRiMA Esports… and he is completely unrepentant about what he did going by this tweet:

Made himself look a right tit here

 

[dazdilly75]

As a GT1 driver for team Renault (one of the Manufacturers affected in this scandal) I did wonder how the top EMEA driver was consistently good on every combo. I'm not even close to world tour standard, but some combos (like Catalunya) the Renault just wasn't the fastest car, yet the top guy in EMEA was one of the only Renault drivers (in EMEA) in the top 10 world times. The culprits have shamed themselves, their countries and their teams. Ban them for life!

 

[i386]

As a gt singe player mode player this whole situation feels like the Jeremy Clarkson "oh no! anyway..." meme

 

[Wilsonson]

It is certainly good that PD are able expose someone breaking the rules.
…

Unfortunately that's not true. It only came to light because they accidentally implicated themselves leaving a mic open during a live stream.

It is pretty baffling that PD or Sony cannot detect this. Unless they actually do this in person sharing the wheel. But I was under the assumption that they simply logged into the other person's account. In some instances from a whole different continent. It is trivial for PD to log and detect this. And if the same account logs in from Europe and America within minutes or a few hours then there cannot be any doubt whatsoever that this is not the same person.

Putting any kind of measures in place takes effort and it seems pretty obvious that it is not relevant to PD. Otherwise they would have done it already.

 

[timekiller001]

Honestly? A 1-week ban is nowhere near enough for that kind of behavior. And if there really is more to it as claimed, PD needs to investigate this thoroughly.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Wait what. They can race on nations? Thats unbelievable

I would like to think PD would tell them to do one if they qualified through it just for the image problem.

Here is where the 5 day ban is mentioned btw:

 

[RX8 Racer]

I would like to think PD would tell them to do one if they qualified through it just for the image problem.

Here is where the 5 day ban is mentioned btw:

So the only penalty PD dished out was a DSQ from Manufacturers and literally nothing else.

ARE YOU. FREAKING. KIDDING ME.

They should have been banned from the entire Nations season at minimum.

 

[Tidgney]

I find it quite insane it's only a 5 day ban. But then on the other hand they were found out about cheating when arguably there's still lots of cheating happening in terms of breaking the rules so how extreme do they go? There still will be people;

• Multiple accounting to get practice at the actual combo before the A+ Combos
• There still will be people running on other peoples accounts, Nico said it was found out only because of voice comms... otherwise we wouldn't know as that's then the investigation started.

I think what I find funny about all of this they arguably could have done this legally with no issue I just can't remember what the reserve driver rule is but I genuinely think the one that was to young could have just run a CSA account of thier own as Renault, and aslongs the other guy got P2 in the manufacturer then they would have still gone to the event and technically that doesn't break a rule (Unless they also raced in EMEA) because the 17 year old couldn't go. There's actually no rules from running 1 account in any region (Unless that's changed recently, but I always checked this when I was competing).

 

[Meythia]

And if the same account logs in from Europe and America within minutes

VPN?
Just saying, technically it could be done.

 

[Nakano219]

There's actually no rules from running 1 account in any region (Unless that's changed recently, but I always checked this when I was competing).

This particular bit is Sony's fault rather than PD's - once you make a PSN account it is country locked forever. So they can't make a "your IP and region must match" rule otherwise they're effectively saying nobody who has ever moved countries can enter (or encouraging multi-accounting to get around it).

 

[SPDN Stefano]

This mister Estevez is acting like a trust fund baby that never has to go out in the real world to get a job. Here he is on social media under his own name telling everybody to go **** themselves. If it is "only a game" why go to these lengths to cheat to begin with?

That other guy Karl Etyemezian might be an even bigger moron. You let another guy use your account and then you brag about 'your' result on twitter? Embarrassing. These people have a lot of growing up to do for sure.

 

[Famine]

My favourite one is a spat between one of the four drivers and another GTWS driver over driving standards in an Exhibition Series round at the Nurburgring. A third-party responded with some clips of the former driver not exactly being clean in the same race and "This you?".

Yesterday they reupped it with "Update: it wasn’t "

 

[Lomic]

But I don't know, overall, is this bad or good for GTWS image? You know, sometimes even bad publicity is better than no publicity, but from another angle these fraudsters could harm the competiton in sponsor's point of view.

If the organizer has spotted the fraud and took action, I don't think sponsors will be annoyed.

That other guy Karl Etyemezian might be an even bigger moron. You let another guy use your account and then you brag about 'your' result on twitter? Embarrassing. These people have a lot of growing up to do for sure.

That's what the owner of Twitter does so, I am not very surprised.

 

[tankuroded]

So the only penalty PD dished out was a DSQ from Manufacturers and literally nothing else.

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ARE YOU. FREAKING. KIDDING ME.

They should have been banned from the entire Nations season at minimum.

For comparison, Jose Brea says he was banned for 3 months in 2020 for jumping manufacturers using an alt:

Jose Brea: In 2020, due to a mid-season BOP [change] that left Alfa Romeo in the dust, I switched accounts and raced with Lamborghini. (3 months ban [for the offense]).

What was discovered today—people racing with other drivers' accounts—is much more serious. (Points deleted, to be continued.)

 

[TomBrady]

Outside of eSports there is no reason to have to control players actions. It is not a necessary bad. What is bad however, is thinking always online is beneficial

I agree. The save files being online only, I understand sort of (but there are plenty of better ways to prevent the save file hacking) but it seems like more than just the save files are online only in GT7.

In GT Sport, at least if you were offline, you still had your full garage and could drive on any track you wanted to with arcade or custom race (even before the offline patch I mean). Isn't GT7 limited to just cars you can rent or something? I haven't even played it offline yet but I heard you can't even race the cars you already own even though there is still an offline save just like GT Sport.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

This mister Estevez is acting like a trust fund baby that never has to go out in the real world to get a job. Here he is on social media under his own name telling everybody to go **** themselves. If it is "only a game" why go to these lengths to cheat to begin with?

He is the one that confuses me, they all cheated but the other 3 are doing it for a reason, to help teammates or boost their manufacturer score for their own benefit. He is not with GTS92 or Renault and should've been safely locked in so what was the big idea 🤷‍♂️

 

[bluealpine]

He is not with GTS92 or Renault and should've been safely locked in so what was the big idea 🤷‍♂️

The answer : win by cheating is fun

 

[Lunard]

I agree. The save files being online only, I understand sort of (but there are plenty of better ways to prevent the save file hacking) but it seems like more than just the save files are online only in GT7.

In GT Sport, at least if you were offline, you still had your full garage and could drive on any track you wanted to with arcade or custom race (even before the offline patch I mean). Isn't GT7 limited to just cars you can rent or something? I haven't even played it offline yet but I heard you can't even race the cars you already own even though there is still an offline save just like GT Sport.

Talking about GT Sport, I'm glad for Polyphony making an offline patch for it when the servers shutdown. Hope They can do the same thing on GT7. Totally different from Ubisoft regarding the first The Crew game.

 

[HarVee]

Talking about GT Sport, I'm glad for Polyphony making an offline patch for it when the servers shutdown. Hope They can do the same thing on GT7. Totally different from Ubisoft regarding the first The Crew game.

A lot of uncertainty from me surrounding GT7 offline. On one hand I know they have to keep UCD and GT Auto open and functioning since you need them to install a widebody and a custom wing in the one of the books. The UCD is also needed since you buy your first car from there. The uncertainty comes in about the Livery editor and LCD. What's to stop them from removing access to them?

For livery editor I am concerned the most about since with the LCD (and even UCD) they can move all those cars to brand central, but I'm not sure if they learned their lesson from GTS and made GT7 livery editor have local native saves.

 

[Lunard]

A lot of uncertainty from me surrounding GT7 offline. On one hand I know they have to keep UCD and GT Auto open and functioning since you need them to install a widebody and a custom wing in the one of the books. The UCD is also needed since you buy your first car from there. The uncertainty comes in about the Livery editor and LCD. What's to stop them from removing access to them?

For livery editor I am concerned the most about since with the LCD (and even UCD) they can move all those cars to brand central, but I'm not sure if they learned their lesson from GTS and made GT7 livery editor have local native saves.

A have an idea for keep working the LCD and UCD on GT7 after an offline patch: Polyphony can use the same UCD system as GT1, 2, 4 and 5, that changes the available cars list after each race you participate. But about livery editor, I don't know.

 

[timekiller001]

A have an idea for keep working the LCD and UCD on GT7 after an offline patch: Polyphony can use the same UCD system as GT1, 2, 4 and 5, that changes the available cars list after each race you participate. But about livery editor, I don't know.

They'll probably just use the same system they use now, with the exception of the server sending which cars to show, it's the local game deciding that.

Either way, it will be very easy to implement once GT7 will be shutdown and (hopefully) receives that offline patch.

 

[HarVee]

They'll probably just use the same system they use now, with the exception of the server sending which cars to show, it's the local game deciding that.

Either way, it will be very easy to implement once GT7 will be shutdown and (hopefully) receives that offline patch.

One would assume, but there are plenty of other easy things PD has yet to do. Don't count on them to do what is easy or what is logical too for that matter.

 

[DCLUDE]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Race-Rigging Scandal Hits Gran Turismo World Series​

Details are emerging of a ploy to manipulate Gran Turismo World Series Manufacturers Cup race events in order to affect which teams qualify for this year’s live events and World Final...

Remind me again, what exactly is at stake here, other than bragging rights, for the winners? Is there prize money involved? Sponsors aren't allowed, right? There's no FIA affiliation anymore. Usually when people resort to something like this, there is a measure of greed involved. Just curious.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Remind me again, what exactly is at stake here, other than bragging rights, for the winners? Is there prize money involved? Sponsors aren't allowed, right? There's no FIA affiliation anymore. Usually when people resort to something like this, there is a measure of greed involved. Just curious.

Interweb clout, name/picture in GT game, brought on tour, merch (I guess?).

 

[Famine]

Remind me again, what exactly is at stake here, other than bragging rights, for the winners? Is there prize money involved? Sponsors aren't allowed, right? There's no FIA affiliation anymore. Usually when people resort to something like this, there is a measure of greed involved. Just curious.

Four costs-paid round-trip weekend break holidays to Berlin, London, Los Angeles, and Fukuoka, potential to get carried by two more talented team-mates to win a big-ass trophy.

 

[redbullfix]

They weren't driving, they were traveling 🤡