Racecraft mentor program

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am huge advocate of more gentlemanly racing online. Before I read VBR's - The Good Racecraft Guide that was pretty much my philophy when racing, even in open lobbies with strangers. I also try to follow the GTPlanet Online Racing (OLR) Rules & Guidelines again, in both series and open lobbies. If everyone followed both of these guidelines to the best of their abilities, online racing would improve 1000% IMO.

Before GT6 launched I had planned on creating a series of videos encompassing the lessons from both of the guides above, but I've been generally disappointed in the game and the online portion of the game is still rather archaic and not real conducive to clubs and leagues without that feature of the game included as of yet. When I ran DeadNutsEven Racing Club I resorted to photo collages like this as part of the DeadNutsEven Classroom Training: Leaving a Gap and When not to Pass!

In short, yes I'm a big believer that online racing is only fun when it is clean and respectful above all else and if we don't lead the way, who will?

Yeah, Deadnutseven was the best place in GT5 to have good racing experience, lots of respect, excellent racecrafts, and competitive racing on realistic tires I missed them for a long time, when will we have it again in GT6 Parity racing FTW, where drivers define racing !!!

 

[azidahaka]

I do try to help out when i can, sure most of the drivers are from gtp but not all are the fastest and most experienced, so ghelping out with lines and awareness tricks always helps

There should be online statistics readily available for online players. A wins/losses statistic for example would give some idea of skill levels, and it would be an improvement because any muppet could've reached Level 40 by grinding offline in GT5.

Statistics? Not sure it would work, i very well remember the forza days when there were people doing ANYTHING to raise their race level or grinding kids for ours....

Also i basically dropped aspec totally and race only in gtp series and against gtp drivers... A few of them are monsters lol

I think my race to win ratio is something like 7/200... Am i the slowest driver on earth? Hope not lol

 

[ShiftingGears]

Statistics? Not sure it would work, i very well remember the forza days when there were people doing ANYTHING to raise their race level or grinding kids for ours....

Also i basically dropped aspec totally and race only in gtp series and against gtp drivers... A few of them are monsters lol

I think my race to win ratio is something like 7/200... Am i the slowest driver on earth? Hope not lol

Was the Forza race level purely academic, or were there restrictions based around it? I'm merely suggesting it being used as an academic tool to suggest who's new to online, who's experienced, and who is fast or slow.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

You would need a ranked room option for it to work, it needs to be it's own seperate thing. Many people pull over in a race, or stop/spin before the line in more casual rooms to let someone else take the win, that would wreck their statisitics. Same with dirty race rooms, anybody can take a win in one of those and that wouldn't be down to skill.

 

[NixxxoN]

No thanks.

Just noticed this.....don't quit your day job

I know, people wouldnt trust it... But if I say that my name is Fernando Alonso, things change, eh?


(Just kidding, of course I'm not FA, but still I think I can truly teach a lot of stuff to a lot of people because i have massive experience and I have some natural talent for this)


This is what I could teach

1) Learning circuits: Any track that you have problems or you find difficult to lap, I can try to show you how to do it faster. Any car. How to get rid of the game’s racing line (not good) and how to learn the best racing line for yourself.

2) Learning how to do a basic set up of the car: I can tell you how to improve the car setup for each track, as long as the car in particular has not a good enough setup.

3) Learning how to go faster: Tips and tricks in general that will make you a faster driver with any car and any track.

4) Learning the art of overtaking: Tricks/Methods/Techniques to overtake cleanly with any sort of car, any track, any given corner/situation as long as it’s possible. Also this includes general explainations on how to be a clean driver and not touch/slam other cars.

5) Learning to drive all types of cars: all transmissions (FF,FR,MR,RR,4WD) and with and without aids. Tricks to get the best out of those cars. I will teach you the differences, advantages and disadvantages of those.

6) Learning to choose the best possible cars for online races: This will include any circumstance, short races, long endurance races, SRF allowed or disallowed, in any specific circuit. I will teach you what cars are more appropiate for some circuits or for some specific races and why is that so.

 

[86Debris86]

Teach us oh great one.

 

[NixxxoN]

Teach us oh great one.

Lol. I have helped people go faster while playing with them online and they said my tips were useful. When I enter online I see lots of people struggling and having problems in many areas. Please keep the joking aside. I am agree with the OP in general and I think some people would like to be taught some stuff. But as I said.... is anyone willing to teach people with nothing received in exchange?

 

[smskeeter23]

But as I said.... is anyone willing to teach people with nothing received in exchange?

Yes, there are many.

 

[NixxxoN]

Yes, there are many.

That looks surprising to me. Its a game and stuff but teaching is still teaching and it means losing your free time in maybe not the most satisfying way.
Anyway, good luck with it.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I would be gladly a driving/racing teacher, in fact I was thinking about opening a thread about it.
Thing is, would I do it for free? Dont think so, because I dont have so much free time and stuff like this is not very encouraging if you get nothing in exchange... but for a little money? Yes
Not wanting to sound arrogant but I think i'm a good driver and I think I could teach a lot of things to lower level players.

Sorry, but nobody is going to pay you any money for you to teach them how to drive in a video game. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure it goes against the sites AUP to exchange actual money for that type of service. You may be a good driver (I have never seen you on any worthwhile leaderboards however) but I doubt very seriously you are skilled enough for anyone to actually pay for your services, especially when there are so many other "highly skilled" drivers that will gladly offer to do it for free.

 

[86Debris86]

But as I said.... is anyone willing to teach people with nothing received in exchange?

Makes my previous voluntary work teaching kids art and music at a local community centre seem like a massive waist of time.

I can see where you're coming from but for some, the payment, or reward is in seeing someone use the knowledge you've given them to further or better themselves.

 

[PIP_36]

That looks surprising to me. Its a game and stuff but teaching is still teaching and it means losing your free time in maybe not the most satisfying way.
Anyway, good luck with it.

A wise man once said that...

'The best teacher is your student'.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I know, people wouldnt trust it... But if I say that my name is Fernando Alonso, things change, eh?


(Just kidding, of course I'm not FA, but still I think I can truly teach a lot of stuff to a lot of people because i have massive experience and I have some natural talent for this)


This is what I could teach

1) Learning circuits: Any track that you have problems or you find difficult to lap, I can try to show you how to do it faster. Any car. How to get rid of the game’s racing line (not good) and how to learn the best racing line for yourself.

2) Learning how to do a basic set up of the car: I can tell you how to improve the car setup for each track, as long as the car in particular has not a good enough setup.

3) Learning how to go faster: Tips and tricks in general that will make you a faster driver with any car and any track.

4) Learning the art of overtaking: Tricks/Methods/Techniques to overtake cleanly with any sort of car, any track, any given corner/situation as long as it’s possible. Also this includes general explainations on how to be a clean driver and not touch/slam other cars.

5) Learning to drive all types of cars: all transmissions (FF,FR,MR,RR,4WD) and with and without aids. Tricks to get the best out of those cars. I will teach you the differences, advantages and disadvantages of those.

6) Learning to choose the best possible cars for online races: This will include any circumstance, short races, long endurance races, SRF allowed or disallowed, in any specific circuit. I will teach you what cars are more appropiate for some circuits or for some specific races and why is that so.

I can teach people all these things....for FREE. After all, that's what this community is about: sharing, helping, ect. Its not about a money grab.

 

[86Debris86]

A wise man once said that...

'The best teacher is your student'.

I thought the best teacher was your last mistake but I see what you mean. Anyone who's taught kids for any period of time will too.

 

[smskeeter23]

I can teach people all these things....for FREE. After all, that's what this community is about: sharing, helping, ect. Its not about a money grab.

Exactly this.

 

[PIP_36]

I thought the best teacher was your last mistake but I see what you mean. Anyone who's taught kids for any period of time will too.

A wise man has many teachers...


...for free!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Lol. I have helped people go faster while playing with them online and they said my tips were useful. As were mine. When I enter online I see lots of people struggling and having problems in many areas. Please keep the joking aside. I am agree with the OP in general and I think some people would like to be taught some stuff. But as I said.... is anyone willing to teach people with nothing received in exchange? As I said before, I am,

You are nobody special and nobody is going to pay you money for driving tips in a video game. I understand that time is money (in most cases), but in this case, time is generosity.

 

[Z1-AV69]

I don't want to spoil the fun, but I dont think good racecraft can be teached, at least beyond some basic hints. It's coming from practice and experience.

If you want to learn to race, go out and race as much as you can.


The biggest issue for beginners is probably getting used to the information inflow. As long as you find the driving difficult, the race-situation exciting etc. you will be busy with that and wont have an eye for what the others are doing (and will be doing) and how a race unfolds. Only with enough practice these things become normal and you will be able to guess what will happen next, how others react and how to take advantage from that. So my advice is: Race! Start easy, just trying to keep up, to go with the flow, learn to feel secure. Once you got that, you will have seen enough to know how it's done.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I don't want to spoil the fun, but I dont think good racecraft can be teached, at least beyond some basic hints. It's coming from practice and experience.

If you want to learn to race, go out and race as much as you can.


The biggest issue for beginners is probably getting used to the information inflow. As long as you find the driving difficult, the race-situation exciting etc. you will be busy with that and wont have an eye for what the others are doing (and will be doing) and how a race unfolds. Only with enough practice these things become normal and you will be able to guess what will happen next, how others react and how to take advantage from that. So my advice is: Race! Start easy, just trying to keep up, to go with the flow, learn to feel secure. Once you got that, you will have seen enough to know how it's done.

You are correct to a point. You can practice till the cows come home, but until you know the correct ways to do things, all the practice in the world won't help you. I have received much help from various people here that has helped me improve immensely. You have to know how to practice things the right way before any amount of practice will start paying off.

I could list many things that go beyond the "basics" that would help improve a struggling driver. Its not all about "slow in, fast out", many more things to be learned...I am still learning myself after 4 years.

 

[Z1-AV69]

You are correct to a point. You can practice till the cows come home, but until you know the correct ways to do things, all the practice in the world won't help you. I have received much help from various people here that has helped me improve immensely. You have to know how to practice things the right way before any amount of practice will start paying off.

I could list many things that go beyond the "basics" that would help improve a struggling driver. Its not all about "slow in, fast out", many more things to be learned...I am still learning myself after 4 years.

I don't think the general "until you know the correct ways..." line is true regarding racing. It matters for sports where you want to train a special chain of movements or an effective way to build the right muscles etc, but racing is very different. Beyond simple driving it's a brain game. There is no disadvantage (except maybe some crashes) from just trying everything at least once. I'd encourage to try everything so you understand what happens, what works and what does not.
I never got any teachings, not even hints. But I got addicted to online racing very quickly and just tried things. I still won my races from good racecraft long before I learned the speed making it so easy nowadays.

My best advice would be: stop doing anything in GT besides online racing. Improve your driving there, tune your cars there etc. Don't do anything else in your GT time and you will quickly become a good racer. The only big errors you should avoid are thinking you would have to win right away and trying too hard to do so. Give it time.

 

[azidahaka]

i would do such a tutoring to any drivers wishing to enter my serie; after all training toghether is always useful, and sometimes allows to find a new better line

 

[Johnnypenso]

GTPlanet is built upon a foundation of free help. Hundreds of races organized, thousand of tunes posted all for the good of the community and no personal gain, literally 10's of thousands of hours spent just for than the pure satisfaction of helping others. Nothing wrong with trying to make a buck, this just isn't the place where that'll work.

 

[NixxxoN]

I can teach people all these things....for FREE. After all, that's what this community is about: sharing, helping, ect. Its not about a money grab.

Dont get me wrong, I dont want to make money with it, its just more the case of being thankful. When someone taught me something important, I at least paid him a couple of beers on the bar, to give an example.

Sorry, but nobody is going to pay you any money for you to teach them how to drive in a video game. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure it goes against the sites AUP to exchange actual money for that type of service. You may be a good driver (I have never seen you on any worthwhile leaderboards however) but I doubt very seriously you are skilled enough for anyone to actually pay for your services, especially when there are so many other "highly skilled" drivers that will gladly offer to do it for free.

Sites AUP I dont know... I only said that It's not very ecouraging for me to lose free time to WORK (because teaching is almost like working, even if it's a game) and get nothing in exchange. Thats my opinion anyway, of course some people can do it for free, each to its own.
Also, I believe this goes beyond a video game. The things you could learn through this game can be applied on diffeernt racing games and even in real life. Its still a game and its not 100% real life, for sure, but knowledge and skill can be kept.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Here is what I do to avoid getting rusty in racing other cars side by side or bumper to bumper, get on arcade mode race, go to Bathurst, set it to rain with at least 30% water on track and 100% weather condition, pick any 500+PP car that you like, I use Cizeta V16T ( gives AI some quick cars that's harder to pass on the conrod ), use comfort tires ( I used comfort medium ), disable aids if preferred ( I don't use any ), then set laps to infinite Almost forgot, set AI at PRO and 10.

What I do, is let the other cars get going, I just cruise until the end of the long straight after 1st corner. From there, I will try to catch up the leader, staying clean, no hitting, no crashing. Before passing each AI, I would stay as close as possible bumper to bumper for 30 seconds or more, then try to pass, either by late braking or side by side Rinse and repeat, sometimes the AI will be aggressive to make a pass on you, this is the real fun Often happens on the 2 long straights and the climbing of the mountain. Making a pass on Forest Elbows is exciting.

 

[86Debris86]

Dont get me wrong, I dont want to make money with it, its just more the case of being thankful. When someone taught me something important, I at least paid him a couple of beers on the bar, to give an example.

I would do the same in real life but this is a forum built on sharing free advice. Johnnypenso's post above nailed it. Best I can do here is .

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I don't think the general "until you know the correct ways..." line is true regarding racing. It matters for sports where you want to train a special chain of movements or an effective way to build the right muscles etc, but racing is very different. Beyond simple driving it's a brain game. There is no disadvantage (except maybe some crashes) from just trying everything at least once. I'd encourage to try everything so you understand what happens, what works and what does not.
I never got any teachings, not even hints. But I got addicted to online racing very quickly and just tried things. I still won my races from good racecraft long before I learned the speed making it so easy nowadays.

My best advice would be: stop doing anything in GT besides online racing. Improve your driving there, tune your cars there etc. Don't do anything else in your GT time and you will quickly become a good racer. The only big errors you should avoid are thinking you would have to win right away and trying too hard to do so. Give it time.

Well, I was just going from my past experiences and what has worked for me. Sorry you don't agree, but I can't argue with my success. Before you say that I am being an "elitist" with that statement, all I mean by that is I have went from WRS D4 Bronze to D2 Silver from following the advice I gave above and you can't really argue with that progression. Not saying that I know it all by any means, I'm just saying that my way has worked pretty well for me. There were some things that I was practicing that were all wrong and until someone advised me differently, my progression was halted. After the advice and I started doing some things more correctly and practicing them, then my progression started again. That's all I'm trying to say here. But hey, I'm no "alien" so I guess your right, who am I to give advice.

 

[Z1-AV69]

Well, I was just going from my past experiences and what has worked for me. Sorry you don't agree, but I can't argue with my success. Before you say that I am being an "elitist" with that statement, all I mean by that is I have went from WRS D4 Bronze to D2 Silver from following the advice I gave above and you can't really argue with that progression. Not saying that I know it all by any means, I'm just saying that my way has worked pretty well for me. There were some things that I was practicing that were all wrong and until someone advised me differently, my progression was halted. After the advice and I started doing some things more correctly and practicing them, then my progression started again. That's all I'm trying to say here. But hey, I'm no "alien" so I guess your right, who am I to give advice.

Sry if you thought disagreeing would be something personal. For me it isn't. I also don't believe the own example would be the only way to go or to be. I'd surely be interested in what hints you got you credit so much progress to it though?

But my experience is different. The good thing about racing is you get quick feedback. Stay curious, stay hungry for more speed and an easier time in messy races, watch your progression, ask yourself what works and you will find the way imho. The good thing about racing with competitive others (be it WRS or whatever) is how they show you what you didn't think would be possible.
Maybe there are quicker ways of learning, shortcuts, but if you believe in "Some people practice till they get it right, I practice till I can't get it wrong", all I say is for better racecraft (not necessarily for driving fast): practice racing, not practice. It's about experience. A lot of people here on GTP complain about the dirty public lobbies, I say: If the dirty noobs manage to bother you, your racecraft isn't good enough. (Excuse my little try on elitism )

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have read those, but I see little chance of making everyone read them, much less follow them.

Racing is all about respect.

I don’t actively block someone that is about to overtake me, and I don’t expect to be blocked either.

If someone crashes past me, I am not above knocking them off the track when I catch back up. Road rage happens.

The people in my room respect one another, when new people join, we will respect them, but we expect the same. If the stranger is disrespectful the regulars are pretty vocal. I am talking about fast strangers only, not newbies.

I miss the level system from GT5. We had people with low 20s or even teen A-spec levels join, they had a good time and kept coming back, and while they weren't great, they tried.

Crashing into a crotchety 50 year old man, does not come with out consequences. So they learned. Some still race with us to this day, and have matured into very good, safe drivers.

If someone is hungry to learn about racecraft I'm sure they'll be hungry enough to read for a few minutes. Anyone unwilling to invest a little time and effort into learning really isn't doesn't want to learn to begin with so they wouldn't be the type of person we're talking about here. Simply saying "respect each other" is simplistic and really has nothing to do with racecraft, the topic du jour. Racecraft encompasses a whole range of skills and thought processes far beyond simply giving each other room on the track.

 

[smskeeter23]

A lot of people here on GTP complain about the dirty public lobbies, I say: If the dirty noobs manage to bother you, your racecraft isn't good enough. (Excuse my little try on elitism )

So because someone else online divebombs or rams me off the track it's because I am the one who has poor racecraft?

 

[Z1-AV69]

So because someone else online divebombs or rams me off the track it's because I am the one who has poor racecraft?

Of course the others is worse. But if you would be good, you would either be long gone once he comes there (the really quick guys are very rarely dirty) or you should have prepared so he can't do much. Yes. If he get's you, get better. Great racecraft is maximizing your potential, whatever happens around. Claiming "but I'm better" won't win you anything, better learn from it.