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- Gatlinburg, TN
- GTSC_Th3_St1g
i have to driving line on... as said earlier, its just a guide... i rarely follow spot on because sometimes i take turns differently than they suggest...
Racing line? Yes or No?
- Thread starter JDigital
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- Manchester
- Ardius_
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if a certain % of online accidents are caused by people following the racing line a little too religously or being distracted or panicked by missing it.
So yes, at least in expert events it should be disabled for racing as at least at expert level people should probably learn to memorise tracks and braking points better without such aids. However, rather than make it mandatory, it should simply be an option in a lobby to choose which aids are and aren't allowed, as I respect that some people still like to use it. I don't consider it a major advantage nor do I think it causes all incidents online, just that I wouldn't be surprised if it is the cause of some.
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This man speaks the truth. Back when I had it on it was a little too easy to get target fixation and just stare at this line oblivious to whats going on around you.
I'd also imagine it to be hard to really "learn" a track when all you do is follow a line... you're not really learning anything, you're being guided. And staring at the line makes you miss things like the markers on the sides of the track and whatnot.
- 248
- Gatlinburg, TN
- GTSC_Th3_St1g
good point ardius... this may be true for many people
EERS4YEARS
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- EERS4YEARS
If everyone had it on then it would NOT be a question of who hit who. Im not for or against it, but I do the same thing at HSR with the pavement lines. The lines in the pavement serve the same purpose. When I am following a set line and I get hit its not my fault. It is much more obvious when someone slides into someone else if there is a constant variable, racing line or lines in the pavement, and who is at fault. I use the Racing line sometimes, usually in fuller races so I dont cause accidents simply because there is bright blue line they, or I crossed, he who does this is at fault. If you crash gazing at a line you should be driving, all tracks have lines, just not blue ones.
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- un_peacekeeper
I use physical landmarks for braking points so I find the line distracting...and my driving style tends to differ from the line and I either get the faster or identical time as following the line. So I voted 'Yes' 
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
I have used the racing line as info, but you soon realize with your lap times that there must be a faster line than the one shown. So I adapt to the blue line and get quicker.
I have tried without the line 'on' and have struggled to keep the same pace; but I am sure with more track time (like I was paid to race LOL
) I could turn the line off 
I have tried without the line 'on' and have struggled to keep the same pace; but I am sure with more track time (like I was paid to race LOL
) I could turn the line off
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
Which realistic view do you use?
zootallures
(Banned)
- 24
Interesting note. I was watching Best Motoring and one of the episodes featured the new Fuji Speedway featured in GT5P. The drivers in the show were following a driving line that was very, very similar to the one suggested by the driving line in GT5P. Perhaps when you are driving in real life and can't clip corners into the dirt or ride way over the zebra zones the suggested driving lines are the correct ones for most cars. The Best Motoring was volume 16: Evo IX, the Next Evolution. It's hard to argue with Keiichi Tsutya's driving lines.
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- GTP_BonzoHarry
I leave it on just for the brake markers, I've learned to just ignore the blue line.
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
I usually have it on, but mostly for the red brake indications as a reference point.
What bugs me is those that say using it is unrealistic and yet they race with unrealistic bumper cam!
What bugs me is those that say using it is unrealistic and yet they race with unrealistic bumper cam!
I use it, but just because some parts of the track are too dark (maybe i need to adjust my tv).
Im used to drive rfactor and other sims on pc without line so its not a problem. I tend to look to the marks on the asphalt, the problem is GT is sometimes too clean.
When you think about it, I will try to turn it off, but it was usefull when i just jumped it to the game (with pro physics and all) and collected golds on most of the events (I was not familiar to GT tracks).
Im used to drive rfactor and other sims on pc without line so its not a problem. I tend to look to the marks on the asphalt, the problem is GT is sometimes too clean.
When you think about it, I will try to turn it off, but it was usefull when i just jumped it to the game (with pro physics and all) and collected golds on most of the events (I was not familiar to GT tracks).
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- LizMcQueen
I never used that line... maybe I should test it.
- 6,804
- The Netherlands
Nope, never used it as I gave up slot-car racing when I was about 8 or 9.
Always try to figure out by myself through trial and error as that's the way IMHO to learn a track properly ( especially through error ).
In real life I keep on the straight and narrow, but I'm hardly in a straight line when I'm playing a game.
Always try to figure out by myself through trial and error as that's the way IMHO to learn a track properly ( especially through error ).
In real life I keep on the straight and narrow, but I'm hardly in a straight line when I'm playing a game.
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- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
Do 'anti-racing line' racers use bumper cam; or cockpit view cam?
I find racing line also helps me avoid hitting other racers because of braking area visual cue. This is obviously important as we all 'love' punters, eh!
I find racing line also helps me avoid hitting other racers because of braking area visual cue. This is obviously important as we all 'love' punters, eh!
- 6,804
- The Netherlands
How is this even relevant? I said trial and error for learning a track, not learning a track online obviously and I'm perfectly capable of judging a brake area without using a visual tool to tell me where I can brake.
I'm not anti-racing line, just don't use it as most tracks have multiple possible racing lines ( some even have multiple ideal lines ) depending on situations.
Racing is not just lapping quickly, but processing and reacting to info and making judgements and decisions in a fraction of a second.
Making the most of any opportunity in a safe and fair way, whichever viewpoint you choose ( and I only use cockpit view btw ).
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
Unlike the bumper cam?
My point being those that say the racing line is not real I hope are not saying the bumper cam is a 'real' view.
The racing line is there to help as not everyone is an 'alien' racer with jaw dropping quickness
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- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
Unlike the bumper cam?
My point being those that say the racing line is not real I hope are not saying the bumper cam is a 'real' view.
The racing line is there to help as not everyone is an 'alien' racer with jaw dropping quickness
We'll see what happens in GT5, but in GT Legends and GTR2 on PC, I've done many online races restricted to in car view. I would prefer that ideally, but there seems to be some questions around that atm. Imo, its one thing to have a different perspective and another to have a line that tells you what to do.
Jerome
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I've only used the racing line when I tried to get gold in the GT4 licens test. there is a few tests where it can be quite helpful. But the racing line is not always the fastest way round a corner. At least not for me. so I never use it when I race.
- 3,241
- Desert Island
- GTP_DAN_
The racing line slows you down because it considers the delay between your eyes and your foot when braking, so it's always suggesting an early braking spot, so you don't mess up the first corner at Fuji for example. Once you got the appropriate approximate ( braking spots vary from car to car, obviously ) braking spots, it will slow you down.
Regarding the best line for a given track, the racing line provides and approximate ideal racing line, but it doesn't appears to take traction into account, it's just the fastest way to the corner exit, but if you follow it strictly, you'll end racing on a weird line, losing traction on the corner exit and thus being slower in the straights.
Racing line = Slower. Use it just to learn a unknown track, and drop it as soon as possible.
Regarding the best line for a given track, the racing line provides and approximate ideal racing line, but it doesn't appears to take traction into account, it's just the fastest way to the corner exit, but if you follow it strictly, you'll end racing on a weird line, losing traction on the corner exit and thus being slower in the straights.
Racing line = Slower. Use it just to learn a unknown track, and drop it as soon as possible.
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
How many hours a day/week do you play to stay fast without the racing line?
My point is that without track time, the line helps me get up to speed (but not as fast as the racers who race hours each day) when I jump online after working 8 hours that day; or on the weekend when sparing a few hours to race online (as cleanly as possible); thats all.
One race online (without any warmup laps!) with the line turned off I turned early for Suzuka's Casino Triangle (16 & 17)
I just do not want to be slagged for using the racing line, or prohibited from a race because I have it turned on
If that happens I would hope all bumpercams users would have to race only with each other and cockpit view racers would race each other..... and the next thing you know you can't match with anybody when you try and go online in whatever time zone you are in
OK, going home early from work to race online 👍👍 at 16:30 Pacific and will try some with racing line off!
My point is that without track time, the line helps me get up to speed (but not as fast as the racers who race hours each day
) when I jump online after working 8 hours that day; or on the weekend when sparing a few hours to race online (as cleanly as possible); thats all.One race online (without any warmup laps!) with the line turned off I turned early for Suzuka's Casino Triangle (16 & 17)
I just do not want to be slagged for using the racing line, or prohibited from a race because I have it turned on
If that happens I would hope all bumpercams users would have to race only with each other and cockpit view racers would race each other..... and the next thing you know you can't match with anybody when you try and go online in whatever time zone you are in
OK, going home early from work to race online 👍👍 at 16:30 Pacific and will try some with racing line off!
I don't like using the line. It feels like cheating. I'm not a good driver on GT5 but I don't want to follow an automated path everytime I'm driving.
I'd prefer to learn the course myself. But that's just me!
Of course, when you don't play GT and jump on without the line, it becomes harder. For learning a track, I think the line is good. But playing without the line looks better and feels more satisfying.
I'd prefer to learn the course myself. But that's just me!
Of course, when you don't play GT and jump on without the line, it becomes harder. For learning a track, I think the line is good. But playing without the line looks better and feels more satisfying.
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