Real Guns

[Zenith]

For hunting planets...

 

[Michael88]

For hunting planets...

Still destroys too much meat!

I wonder what that guy is using as ignition caps......

 

[Slash]

That was awesome....

 

[a6m5]

Meh. It would be awesome if there was a dude who could carry & fire that thing like a normal handgun.

 

[Jedi2016]

First thing I thought was "no way they actually built a usable ramrod on that thing", and then they used the built-in ramrod. Impressive.

 

[Solid Lifters]

A certain AC/DC song comes to mind when I see that thing! You know which song I mean!

 

[Michael88]

I sent 10 rounds of my reloads to the Austrian firearms and ammunition proof house, I just got the results!

Here a few German words translated so it makes at least some sense to you:
Beschussamt = Proof house
Druck = Pressure
Gasdruck = Gas pressure
Mittelwert = Average
Zeit = Time
Velocity is in meters per second, pressure in BAR and energy in joules.

So the max average gas pressure for the 300WM is 4300, the rounds are at ~ 3847 which makes it a perfectly safe but stout load.
Too bad their test barrel was only 24'' in length, my rifle has a 26'' tube.

Pressure curves of all tested rounds: (looks like I screwed up one round... )

 

[a6m5]

(looks like I screwed up one round... )

I was just gonna say that. j/k But seriously, even if you do everything just about perfect, it's still possible for one of the shells to fire little bit different than intended when you loaded it? I'm of course only guessing.

 

[Michael88]

Yeah, lessons learned, I guess I have to weigh the brass next time, after the powder charge inconsistency brass inconsistency the most common source of pressure variation.
The one thing I can't control is the primers though. But still, ~ 11 meters a second is a tiny variation that should only be noticeable at shots at 1000yds+ targets.

 

[a6m5]

Well, considering you got into this part of the hobby pretty recently, so far so good. 👍

 

[Michael88]

Thanks! Yeah its fun! I just spend 300 bucks on powder, dies, primers and projectiles. Fortunately I always picked up my brass so now I have sacks of brass standing around just waiting to be reloaded.

 

[a6m5]

Nice! Helps for a nice & smooth headstart.

 

[popcorn]

I just heard that a bunch of gun control laws are dead in the water in the Senate, including stuff like Feinstein's AWB and the mag cap law. Looks like we can all breathe a sigh of relief, but the fight never ends!

 

[a6m5]

It's all in here at the "Gun" thread. There is quite a rant by some member named a6m5 in there. I'll summarize that post:

 

[Nicksfix]

LMAO +1

I'll add another, why not ?

Waaaaaaaaaaah !!!

 

[a6m5]

That's the kid that made me cry.

 

[Lock2Lock]

And friend of mine from Texas sent me this video and was all upset about it. Maybe you guys can explain this. Watch this video and ready the description in the video.

Basically is what the police officers did right or wrong? Or was the guy right or wrong.
Maybe some of your that are from Texas can answer this. Because I am confused myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8r4MK3R4PI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Nicksfix]

This is a tough call. It's unfortunate that the video starts upon the apprehension. We did not get the see what may have truly instigated this event. From the starting point of the video, both sides have their plausible causes to their actions.

Who's right ? Who's wrong ? Again, without the full detail as to why the man was met like he was (other than the phone calls that were mentioned from citizens), it's hard to say. Curious though, as to why he got arrested at the end. Did the man have an outstanding warrant / conviction ? You can't say he was resisting arrest, because up until the point of the the arrest, the police technically did not arrest him, so that is out the window. They detained him, more than likely to do a check on him, so evidently, the PoPo found something on this guy leading up to his arrest.

Interesting though.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, interesting, but frustrating. I'm not a fan of the cops, but I also respect the position they are put in. This is America, Second Amendment, blah blah blah, but realistically, I don't blame someone for calling the cops to investigate some dude walking around with AR, not on the shoulder, but slung on front of him, walking down the road. And once the police receive this call, they are not going to make a judgement call over the phone & tell the 911 caller not to worry about it, it's probably just someone making a point, exercising his rights. Cop(s) arrive at the scene, you put yourself in their shoes...... this could easily go south, potentially crippling you for life, or kill you dead. You can expect them to be professional, but they may be bit tense.

This "soldier", I respect what he does for the country & everything, but I think he's being one pain in the ass(that's how they talk down there, right? lol), putting the police officers on the spot. I can only judge from what I saw on the video(saw most of it), but he was being whiny, rude & insulting to the police, where if I was in his situation, I'd be calm, respectful in explaining my situation. I'd politely ask for their understanding, also apologizing for forcing them into a tricky spot.

I don't think the guy should have been arrested in the end, but like Nicksfix said, we didn't get to see the whole story. I thought the cops seemed reasonable with the exception of the arrest at the end.

 

[Lock2Lock]

True true. I was just trying to see your guy's opinions/knowledge on this and the subject.

I do agree he should have been calm and polite.

But i do not agree with the statement that the officer felt threatened. If the officer felt threatened he should have drawn his gun and kept it on the guy. The fact that he just grabbed the gun just doesn't seem right.

And also as long as he didn't have a round in the chamber it is legal right?

Yeah i would like to see the dash camera footage to fill in the first part of the video.

 

[a6m5]

Well, I didn't say that officers felt threatened, but the dude is carrying a loaded AR, critical to their request/command, and is screaming at them. All I'm saying is that for the officers, this easily could take a wrong turn, and end up with someone getting hurt, or killed, which at least IMO, won't make these cops the most easiest going person in the world.

Another ripoff email from Cheaper Than Dirt, but this one's especially dirty:

This email from them was titled "Buy Your AR-15 Before Lawmakers Outlaw Them!‏". Sleazy at best.

 

[Azure Flare]

I'd comment on that, but I'm not going there...

 

[Omnis]

How 'bout a video to get everyone's mind off of those things?



Hilarious.

 

[Nicksfix]

As an owner of 3 Mosin's, I personally can attest to this guns durability, accuracy. They are absolutely fine pieces of C&R, and they are catching on. The prices of the Mosin are rapidly increasing, especially if you can find a clean Izhevsk Hex Model, or an M9130 Sniper model complimented with all of the field accessories.

Cool video Omnis, yes, it was funny.

EDIT

@ a6m5 - that same AR ... S&W M&P15 is $1200.00 in local shops around here. CTD sucks .... really.

 

[a6m5]

Very cool vid indeed. 👍

@ a6m5 - that same AR ... S&W M&P15 is $1200.00 in local shops around here. CTD sucks .... really.

Same price as last time, but what got me this time was this "before the ban" B.S. It's pretty much using a scare tactic to cash in.

 

[Crash]

That's pathetic and dirty of them, especially since now we know that a ban isn't really going to happen anymore at the Federal level.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, as they haven't milked the cow long enough. I can't wait for things to normalize. I checked out ammo at Walmart tonight, still anything you need are out.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Great video on the Mosin. They're basically doing what they do on Guns and Ammo. That's some funny stuff, too!

 

[Michael88]

They should have done the test with a Mauser action which is even stronger than the Mosin. There is the story of a guy doing pressure tests with the Mauser 98 action and he approached the 100k PSI mark (the original load, the 8x57 is rated for 54k PSI max if I remember correctly) with his apocalyptic reloads and the rifle was still fine. I think at 120 the barrel blew to pieces but the action was still sound.

 

[Slash]

Still absolutely no ammo anywhere....lucky to see 4 boxes of .22LR on the shelves.