Red Dead Redemption 2

[STI9]

RDRO is pretty fun, didn't even get disconnected once (though that may change when everyone gets online).
Some of the items are pretty expensive but I don't really have a good idea of how much you can earn as I didn't play a lot. Fyi, the Mauser is $1000 and a lot of guns are over $400.

 

[chris4652009]

First impressions of online are good, no issues with getting connected or staying connected.
the different game modes within are decent enough, free roaming is trolly AF and hilarious if the mood takes you

 

[PocketZeven]

Is it any fun if you dont have online friends and normally play singleplayer only games

 

[Miths]

I'm looking forward to trying Online in a few days, but from what I've watched and read so far there seems to be two things in the current beta that might put a dent in the enjoyment:

- It's apparently a huge grind to earn money and gold. I saw some calculations and I think it was around 8 hours (at high efficiency) for one gold bar, which means that buying the fast travel prop for your camp will take around 900 hours if you want to unlock it before it otherwise becomes available at a very high level (and I'm not sure if that means it's free at that level, or if it's just discounted?). Maybe there will be adjustments over the course of the beta, but it's pretty obvious that they want people to spend real lots of money on the not-so-microtransactions.
Earning in-game dollars, used to buy weapons and other gameplay important items, is reportedly also a rather slow process, but on the other hand there does of course has to be something to strive for over time in an online game. Might turn out to be a little too excessive here though.

- It sounds like your camp is the only place where you are safe from getting repeatedly killed by other players. No passive mode, and players seem to always be visible on the map, so you can't just go to a quiet corner for a fishing trip without expecting that someone will see you on the map and stop by to shoot you in the back a few times while you're trying to reel in that fish.

This might not be very different from GTA Online, I only tried that briefly a few times, most recently this year.

 

[Marcus Garvey]

They learned a lot from GTA online. Unfortunately, that is generally not for the better from a player standpoint. It is clear that to progress in the way the game intends you will have to spend real money. Most players don't spend 900 hours over the life of a game.

I will withhold the rest of my comments until I have some more time with it, but I've already spent more time playing GTA than RDR since RDR online released, if that says anything.

 

[samurai8juice]

I really miss the deathmatch-like online in Rockstar games. Kinda glad to see that this one is pretty much that, at this stage.

So how do you make money in RDO? Like jobs in GTAO?

I don't know if it's as much as it used to be, but I remember at the very very beginning (before it came out on PS4) GTAO was super grindy, and aside from doing Rooftop Rumble repeatedly it was tough to get a decent amount of money. And it seems like it'll be the same way in RDRO maybe ? Just no car duplicate glitches this time around.

 

[happycorey]

I don't know if it's as much as it used to be, but I remember at the very very beginning (before it came out on PS4) GTAO was super grindy, and aside from doing Rooftop Rumble repeatedly it was tough to get a decent amount of money. And it seems like it'll be the same way in RDRO maybe ? Just no car duplicate glitches this time around.

That really saved GTAO experience for me. I fear that the longevity they were trying to milk GTAO towards the end they are starting off immediately in RDRO. Although GTA lasted for several years, I'm not quite sure RDRO will have that same sweet feel. Looking forward to it, but not looking forward to making $00.02 on a pelt and guns costing $100s..

 

[STI9]

Unlike GTA, RDRO has an honour system. Doesn't this give discounts similar to story mode?
It also seems that the gold bars can only be used to purchase cosmetic items only which means there is no pay to win as you can't buy guns with microtransactions.

Also worth bearing in mind that this is a beta and R* have not confirmed if your progress will carry so I wouldn't get too carried away.

 

[Clark]

Really hoping they’ll be free aim only lobbies again.

 

[Flash_Sweden]

Unlike GTA, RDRO has an honour system. Doesn't this give discounts similar to story mode?

In GTAO you get discounts if you get commended by other players. Can’t remember how much or on what, but there’s discounts on some stuff.

 

[Miths]

Unlike GTA, RDRO has an honour system. Doesn't this give discounts similar to story mode?
It also seems that the gold bars can only be used to purchase cosmetic items only which means there is no pay to win as you can't buy guns with microtransactions.

Also worth bearing in mind that this is a beta and R* have not confirmed if your progress will carry so I wouldn't get too carried away.

I strongly suspect being dishonorable - even at the cost of potential discounts - will do absolutely nothing to deter those players who find enjoyment in causing as much mayhem and murder as they can (I won't use the word griefers, since if it's an open PvP game then I guess it's just part of the design that the rest of us can choose to put up with or leave).

 

[samurai8juice]

I don't really care for RDR O so far

The second best repeater (Springfield I think, definitely not the Litchfield) costs $400. And a haircut costs $15-20. And some cost a gold bar. That's wack.

It almost feels like they took a really crappy mobile game and applied it to a really really good single player game. Even though if you play enough you can get stuff, it's probably going to go down the same path of every pay to win game. The only way it won't is if they let people only buy gold bars and not dollars, which I doubt will happen.

And having two currencies is really really stupid. That's taking a page out of EA's Ultimate Team book, or any crappy mobile game.

 

[leeislee]

I won't bother with RDRO. I've had a few hours on it and it's just boring. Far too much horse riding between jobs.

Everything is just far too expensive and the dual money system is a farce.

I got back on GTAO and although it's toxic it's familiar and fun.

 

[Marcus Garvey]

The Mauser Pistol is 40 Gold Bars. Or $1,000.



That's about 50 times the actual cost new at the time....and the Mauser was an expensive piece. Model 1873 was under $20 at the time in game. It's $580 in RDRO.

So far, it looks as though they are using near contemporary pricing for products(those prices above are close to what those models cost NOW) but with period correct earnings. Clever!

 

[samurai8juice]

The Mauser Pistol is 40 Gold Bars. Or $1,000.



That's about 50 times the actual cost new at the time....and the Mauser was an expensive piece. Model 1873 was under $20 at the time in game. It's $580 in RDRO.

So far, it looks as though they are using near contemporary pricing for products(those prices above are close to what those models cost NOW) but with period correct earnings. Clever!

I realized that too. Haircuts are $15-$20...accurate. Rifles are $400...accurate also.

 

[kolio]

I get a Rockstar message saying I can play the Beta and to check it out. When I go to it, it says "coming soon".

Thanks Rockstar. What the hell?

 

[shoemaker]

I will finish story mode and not even look at online. Just cant be bothered as other games need playing like bf5 and ac odyssey.

 

[DVNTST8]

I get a Rockstar message saying I can play the Beta and to check it out. When I go to it, it says "coming soon".

Thanks Rockstar. What the hell?

Try a restart, or go through main game icon.

I can't remember where I read it, but don't go through the 'notification', go through the main icon XBox was having issues yesterday, but I think they wrapped those up

 

[kolio]

Try a restart, or go through main game icon.

I can't remember where I read it, but don't go through the 'notification', go through the main icon XBox was having issues yesterday, but I think they wrapped those up

I'm not sure what this means. Im on PS4.

I boot the game normally. Upon boot, it tells me the beta is available to play. There is no way around it. It makes me press x to dismiss the or what they call "skip" the notification. Then I scroll to online and it says coming soon... lol.

EDIT: It appears to be working properly now, the play button is available now. I'll try it in a couple hours.

 

[chris4652009]

Well I guess last night was just to much for the servers, I got disconnected three times then gave up.
While it was all working fine during the day it was great fun, money is very hard to come by so every cent counts

Turkey feathers seem to be great $s for the minimal effort

 

[zzz_pt]

RDRO has been a mixed experience for me. I'm aware this is still a beta but the biggest problem I have with it has nothing to do with that fact.

The economy makes no sense and the plans for crazy monetization are there and are pretty evident (and abusive imo).

Kill 20 people npcs/enemies: get $2 or $3 dollars. Kill a bird: get the same.

Want something but don't have dollars? Pay with gold. Is definitely close to pay to win. I already have a couple of problems with skins and appearance items being heavily monetized, but when you can just buy guns by skipping grind, the gap between payers and players will grow exponentially.

I'm lvl 14 (finished the story line, got a few treasures, did some stranger missions and played multiplayer matches too). I have 3.70 gold and $750.

The only things I've bought were some gloves, a shirt and some spurs. Some ammo and a few cans of food. I only eat meat I cook to save money.

I want to buy a shotgun or new clothes but grinding for 10 or 12h only to get a gun or buy some clothes is a bit too much. Even to customize the railing costs 80$...wtf. The Carabine costs 90$ and the upgraded railing costs 80$? Lol... A haircut online can cost more than a weapon in SP too.

Basically, the payout is leveled by the 1899 standards, but the prices are d by 2018 standards. Getting $1 for a mission or a PVP session when we know how much that's worth (or not), kinda works as a frustration every time we get money, instead of feeling we're being rewarded.

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Another thing I don't appreciate is the fact that the people who got the Ultimate Edition have a huge advantage in PVP. The shotgun is way too OP at the moment. I get blown off by people with the shotgun miles away from me, while I with the ****** carabine need to shoot perfect headshots or I'm doomed, because I need 3 or 4 shots to kill anyone. The advantage I should have with a rifle (long shots) does not exist.

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Lag is also way too bad in MP PVP modes. When I'm confronted with griefers on Free Roam mode, I shot them dead pretty fast most of the times, even when they're 2 or 3. But as soon as I get into PVP modes, the lag is absurd. I shoot other people and damage doesn't register. I play with Wi-Fi but never have issues. It's a fast connection and I would change if I had problems in other games.

Also, most PVP modes are crazy. You have to be constantly running (and smashing X...) Otherwise you'll get shot from behind by people spawning in. I've been killed so many times seconds after spawning, it's not even funny. Especially in wide open maps.

This one I hope gets fixed with better servers.

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In short:

Positives:

The world.
The PVP modes are good but need tweeking.
Character creator.
Missions and cut scenes with other players.
Number of new clothing items.

Negatives:

Prices.
Absurd Grind.
Some lag in PVP modes.
Unbalanced weapons.

I hope R* works to improve the experience and takes into account the feedback is getting. It would be a shame to spoil this game just to milk the cow (or the whale...).

 

[Flash_Sweden]

I’m not a very big fan RDRO. I might change my mind after the beta-period is over

And...this is what me and @STI9 ran into yesterday in Saint Denis. Anyone else had it happen?

And yes, those are boats...on the street. They came falling from the sky. Killed me once.

 

[zzz_pt]

I’m not a very big fan RDRO. I might change my mind after the beta-period is over

And...this is what me and @STI9 ran into yesterday in Saint Denis. Anyone else had it happen?

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And yes, those are boats...on the street. They came falling from the sky. Killed me once.

Yep.



Oh, BTW, you can get an Arabian (new color that's not present in SP mode) for free at the stables. I found that yesterday while checking what horses I could buy because the one I had (in the video above) was too bad.

 

[chris4652009]

Oh, BTW, you can get an Arabian (new color that's not present in SP mode) for free at the stables. I found that yesterday while checking what horses I could buy because the one I had (in the video above) was too bad.

Depends what version of the game and what platform you are on though.

 

[zzz_pt]

Depends what version of the game and what platform you are on though.

I'm on the PS4 with the normal edition. Not pre ordered.

Had no idea it was PS exclusive.

 

[chris4652009]

I'm on the PS4 with the normal edition. Not pre ordered.

Had no idea it was PS exclusive.

yeah there's a lot of free stuff for PS4 players, Xbox players get it all in a month's time

 

[PocketZeven]

I tried about an hour RDRO. I cannot imagine playing this game without a larger story motivating my character. Will there be some kind of story missions later or is it just making a ton of money and buy perks?

 

[Marcus Garvey]

RDRO has been a mixed experience for me...[snip]

All of this.

I played a bit last night with @ExoSphere64 and we naturally spent most of the time hanging round the camp. I only got as far as the "go find these sheriffs" part of the online progression. I spent a bit of time hunting to get some cash so that I could feed my horse......and that was productive. Spent a lot of time room hopping until I found one where my buffalo hunting grounds weren't rife with scumbags. Like story mode, I was able to quickly make $10-20 per horseload of animal parts every few minutes. However......when you die you lose everything. Rode to the trapper, and while his shop is still setup he was nowhere to be found and his HUD icon was not there. Not sure if that opens at a later level or after the beta or what.

Overall, I'm pretty 'meh' on it right now. For my tastes, the attractions RDR has over GTA(which is my game of choice and what I compare to in regards to where I feel my time is most enjoyably spent) are limited to the graphics(biggest) and the ability to go hunting and fishing. I have been somewhat disappointed in the tradeoffs made to make those things happen, which is probably why despite being leaps and bounds ahead of GTA in some ways, GTA will probably remain my goto. If not for a few select issues that could upset the balance of my favour toward RDR, all of which could be rectified at some point, I think RDR could have been my new addiction. Right now, the lack of choice(in regards to non-combat play) is a major deal breaker for me.

Just the other day myself and a couple of others were reviewing our stats on GTA. In over 5 years I have killed 2233 players. Considering the sheer amount of time I have been on GTA....I am probably an outlier in regards to how I choose to play. (I'm sure a few familiar with me are laughing and nodding right now.) Most of my time is spent on leisure activities, which are notably absent from RDR. What little time I have into RDR, I am constantly on edge, cannot simply relax and watch a (brief and inconsistent) sunset or explore in peace. I was hoping, given the slowed down and more 'lazy' gameplay and pace of the story mode that RDR would prove the more relaxing and 'chill' option, if you will. Things may change a bit, and while I'm not abandoning RDR or anything, I don't see myself becoming as interested or invested in it as I was GTA.

That said, the story mode is great. I don't play a lot of games(I have four for the PS4) but RDR2 was the most entertaining game I have played since GTA San Andreas. Like all R* games, while being sandbox play the story mode itself is scripted and they all play much like an interactive movie. Well worth it, and I may even play it through a second time.

 

[PocketZeven]

Spoiler: ending

After finishing the epilogue in 2 days, you end up with another 20k. What is the point? The game is finished and there arent any expensive items to buy?

 

[samurai8juice]

Yesterday when I was playing it I was just wandering around near people seeing if they would do anything to me. Out of like 6 guys I was near, only 1 of them attacked me, and he had a mic. And he had a buddy. So it was a bit of fun deathmatching in free roam. And he shot first. So I was justified in annoying them so they couldn't finish their free roam stranger mission. And I found out that you can steal people's horses and wander around with them and they can't do anything. Only a matter of time before they do a personal vehicle-like thing with horses where you can lock people out. But...the dude freakin headshotted me from his horse (with a cattleman's revolver I think) outside of my auto aim range with the carbine repeater. Like what is that ??? And he did it twice.

Also, has anybody found a wild horse that isn't a Morgan or Kentucky Stadler? I feel like they're going to force people to P2W for good horses too. Kinda like GTA you can't really steal a good car...can't find a wild horse above Morgan/Kentucky Stadler.