RIDOX Replica Garage-In Memory of TurnLeft-GT40,300ZX,F430,TVR,AEM S2000,Cizeta,TransAm Doug Nash

[ALB123]

The original GT40 is out of this world in Assetto Corsa too. I always had major troubles with it in GT6 and it's just as frustrating in AC. I wonder what they truly were like to drive in the 1960s?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Miata RS NB 450PP
EXPERIMENTAL RACER

Special Build Miata RS NB 450PP
Sports Hard​

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CAR : Mazda MX-5 Mata 1.8 RS ( NB, J ) '98
Tire : Sports Hard

Specs
Horsepower: 246 HP at 7400 RPM
Torque : 184.4 ft-lb at 5900 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.9%
Weight: 925 kg
Ballast : 9 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 52 / 48
Performance Points: 450


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD )
Wheels : +1 Inch Up RAYS TE37SL in Silver or PDI P525 in Black
OPTIONAL Standard Size PDI P525N or RAYS TE37V or TE37 or 57Gainer
Car Paint : Black




Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 2
Sport Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Intake Tuning
Catalytic Converter Sports
Triple Plate Clutch / OPTIONAL Twin Plate
Carbon Drive Shaft
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 2



Suspension - Custom Bilstein Coilover Damper Kit
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 100
Spring Rate: 12.50 5.80
Dampers (Compression): 2 3
Dampers (Extension): 4 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 1 7
Camber Angle: 3.5 2.5
Toe Angle: -0.30 0.06




LSD - Mazda Low Locking Rate
Initial Torque : 15
Acceleration Sensitivity: 20
Braking Sensitivity: 5





Brake Balance:
9/10 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 9/10, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.
I recommend to run 9/10 for ABS1.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 9/10 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
An old experimental setup at 450PP, the Miata NB RS was made back in 2014, the goal was to make it drive well on high camber on SH tire. The ARB in this setup also unique, intentionally set this way to give unique handling.

Gearbox is stock, but feel free to fit your own custom ratios. Recommend to install +1 Inch Up PDI P525 wheel in black.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ford GT40 MK I 1966
Early Build

Tuned to replicate Ford GT40 MK I 1966
Comfort Hard to Sports Medium​

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CAR : Ford GT40 Mark I '66
Tire : Comfort Hard to Sports Medium

Specs
Horsepower: 380 HP at 5900 RPM
Torque : 366.6 ft-lb at 5400 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.5%
Weight: 1080 kg
Ballast : 86 kg
Ballast Position : 31
Weight Distribution : 38 / 62
Performance Points: 533




GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD )
Wheels : Stock or Standard Size PDI P525N in Black or White
Car Paint : Azzuro



Tuning Parts Installed :
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Intake Tuning
Triple Plate Clutch - Borg & Beck
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission - OPTIONAL Zahnradfabrik 5DS-25 or Kar Kraft Colotti Type 37
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction


Suspension - Custom Spring
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 80 80
Spring Rate: 7.14 6.27
Dampers (Compression): 4 7
Dampers (Extension): 3 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 3
Camber Angle: 1.0 1.0
Toe Angle: 0.07 0.07




USE STOCK or
DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - OPTIONAL Racing 5 Speed Zahnradfabrik 5DS-25 ( 3rd + 4th Gear Set 1 )
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.872
Set Auto Max Speed at 240kmh / 149mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.420
2nd 1.470
3rd 1.140
4th 1.000
5th 0.805 - Should be 0.846, closest possible.
Set Final : 3.092 or 3.550 from Kar Kraft Modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed -Optional Final from ZF 5 Speed 3.330, 4.220, and 3.444


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - OPTIONAL Racing 5 Speed Zahnradfabrik 5DS-25 ( 3rd + 4th Gear Set 2 )
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.872
Set Auto Max Speed at 240kmh / 149mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.420
2nd 1.470
3rd 1.090
4th 0.960
5th 0.805 - Should be 0.846, closest possible.
Set Final : 4.220 -Optional ZF Final 3.330 and 3.444, from Kar Kraft Modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed : 3.092 to 3.550


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - OPTIONAL Racing 5 Speed Zahnradfabrik 5DS-25 ( Alternate Set )
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.854
Set Auto Max Speed at 240kmh / 149mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.231
2nd 1.611
3rd 1.230
4th 1.000
5th 0.808
Set Final : 3.444 -Optional ZF Final 3.330 and 4.220, from Kar Kraft Modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed : 3.092 to 3.550


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - OPTIONAL Racing Kar Kraft Modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.991
Set Auto Max Speed at 240kmh / 149mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.500
2nd 1.700
3rd 1.290
4th 1.000
5th 0.582 - IGNORE 5th for authenticity.
Set Final : 3.092 -Optional ZF Final 3.330 and 4.220, from Kar Kraft Modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed : 3.550


LSD
Initial Torque : 20
Acceleration Sensitivity: 42
Braking Sensitivity: 21


Aero
Front / Rear : 50 ( Fixed ) / 100 ( Fixed )



Brake Balance:
5/6 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/6, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance. I recommend to run 5/6 for ABS1.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 6/8 brake balance as starting point.


Notes :
An early version of Ford GT40 MKI 1966 replica, using various source of data, used 1080kg weight, dry weight of real car varied from 900-1000kg, fuel tank capacity is 140L, weight distribution at 38:62.

Suspension is custom, spring rate set using lower rear rate approach with ARB set for medium stifness, camber and toe range is typical range for GT40 ( including replica/kit cars ).

LSD has pretty high lock rate with gear ratio available on wide choices of final drive and gear sets. Recommend the Kar Kraft modified Colotti Type 37 4 Speed on 3.092 final for medium speed track like Motegi Oval.
High speed track benefits from ZF 5 Speed with lower final.

Tire is Comfort Hard to replicate road car GT40 factory tire, this should be good enough for 42s lap at Motegi Oval on 4 speed Colotti with 3.092 final. Aim for 41s if you can

The GT40 was extensively tested at various tracks from Apricot Hill Reverse, Rome, Motegi Oval, Brands Hatch GP, Bathurst to Trial Mountain and Deep Forest.

Enjoy

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Nissan Fairlady 300ZX GF-CZ32 TT 1989
Replica

Tuned to replicate Z32 300ZX TT
Comfort Medium to Sports Hard​

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CAR : Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '89
Tire : Comfort Medium to Sports Hard

Specs
Horsepower: 276 HP at 6200 RPM
Torque : 286.4 ft-lb at 3600 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 1588 kg
Ballast : 88 kg
Ballast Position : -34
Weight Distribution : 55 / 45
Performance Points: 436


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD )
Wheels : Stock
Car Paint : Black or Midnight Purple or Yellow or Red




Tuning Parts Installed :
Fully Customizable Suspension
Window Weight Reduction



Suspension - Nissan OEM Springs Adapted
OEM Range Alignment
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 130 130 - OPTIONAL JDM Height 125 125
Spring Rate: 4.21 4.21
Dampers (Compression): 3 4
Dampers (Extension): 2 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 2 3
Camber Angle: 0.7 0.9
Toe Angle: 0.06 0.11

OPTIONAL ARB : 2 2 or 3 3



LSD- Viscous Coupling LSD - OPTIONAL
Initial Torque : 20
Acceleration Sensitivity: 6
Braking Sensitivity: 6



Brake Balance:
5/6 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/6, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.
I recommend to run 5/6 for ABS1.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 5/6 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
A basic replica of Z32 300ZX, still early version, may update later with different power rating.

UPDATE : Added optional LSD setup

NEW UPDATE 2017 : Added optional ARB.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ferrari F430 Challenge
Early Build Spec

Tuned to replicate Ferrari F430 Challenge
Sports Hard to Racing Hard​

CAR : Ferrari F430 '06
Tire : Sports Hard to Racing Hard

Specs
Horsepower: 483 HP / 490 PS at 8600 RPM
Torque: 342.8 ft-lb at 5500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 97.6%
Weight: 1300 kg
Ballast : 112 kg
Ballast Position : 31
Weight Distribution : 42 / 58
Performance Points: 547




GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity - INSTALLED
Aero Kits Type A
Custom Rear Wing - OPTIONAL
Wing Mount Standard Type B or C
Wing Large Type B or A
Winglets Large Type C
Wing Size Height +1, Width -8
Wheels : Standard Size BBS RE-MG, RAYS TE37V, PDI P525. OZ Racing Ultraleggera, Prodrive GC-10G, RAYS 57Xtreme
Car Paint : Any Color - Trumpet Gold, White, Yellow, Blue, Red etc.
Racing Brakes Caliper Paint : Black



Tuning Parts Installed :
Semi Racing Exhaust - OPTIONAL for better sound - use 93.6% Limiter or use full power desired.
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood ( Body Color )
Window Weight Reduction
Racing Brakes Kit



Suspension - Custom Springs and Alignment

Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 75 or 50 55
Spring Rate: 16.00 10.86
Dampers (Compression): 5 10
Dampers (Extension): 1 5 - OPTIONAL Rear Extension 4 ( Stable )
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 2 - OPTIONAL Front ARB 2 ( More Turn In Grip )
Camber Angle: 2.5 2.8
Toe Angle: -0.12 0.19



LSD- 40% Lock
Initial Torque : 24
Acceleration Sensitivity: 24
Braking Sensitivity: 24



Aero
Front / Rear : 150 ( Fixed ) / 210 or Max




Brake Balance:
3/4 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/4, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 3/4 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :

Early Spec build F430 Challenge, using kerb weight without fuel but with driver at 1300kg, 42/58 distribution. Aimed to handle from SH to RH tire, with real life based alignment and suspension setup typical of Challenge cars ( F355 onwards )

Tested at various tracks, from Motegi Oval, Matterhorn Short, Apricot Hill, SSR5, Suzuka, and Deep Forest.

Enjoy

 

[ALB123]

The Ferrari F430 might be my favorite Ferrari of all-time. Well, besides the F40 - but that's just unfair to even compare anything against it.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Ferrari F430 Challenge
Early Build Spec

Tuned to replicate Ferrari F430 Challenge
Sports Hard to Racing Hard​

View attachment 598051​

CAR : Ferrari F430 '06
Tire : Sports Hard to Racing Hard

Specs
Horsepower: 483 HP / 490 PS at 8600 RPM
Torque: 342.8 ft-lb at 5500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 97.6%
Weight: 1300 kg
Ballast : 112 kg
Ballast Position : 31
Weight Distribution : 42 / 58
Performance Points: 547




GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity - INSTALLED
Aero Kits Type A
Custom Rear Wing - OPTIONAL
Wing Mount Standard Type B or C
Wing Large Type B or A
Winglets Large Type C
Wing Size Height +1, Width -8
Wheels : Standard Size BBS RE-MG, RAYS TE37V, PDI P525. OZ Racing Ultraleggera, Prodrive GC-10G, RAYS 57Xtreme
Car Paint : Any Color - Trumpet Gold, White, Yellow, Blue, Red etc.
Racing Brakes Caliper Paint : Black



Tuning Parts Installed :
Semi Racing Exhaust - OPTIONAL for better sound - use 93.6% Limiter or use full power desired.
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood ( Body Color )
Window Weight Reduction
Racing Brakes Kit



Suspension - Custom Springs and Alignment

Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 75 or 50 55
Spring Rate: 16.00 10.86
Dampers (Compression): 5 10
Dampers (Extension): 1 5 - OPTIONAL Rear Extension 4 ( Stable )
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 2 - OPTIONAL Front ARB 2 ( More Turn In Grip )
Camber Angle: 2.5 2.8
Toe Angle: -0.12 0.19



LSD- 40% Lock
Initial Torque : 24
Acceleration Sensitivity: 24
Braking Sensitivity: 24



Aero
Front / Rear : 150 ( Fixed ) / 210 or Max




Brake Balance:
3/4 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/4, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 3/4 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :

Early Spec build F430 Challenge, using kerb weight without fuel but with driver at 1300kg, 42/58 distribution. Aimed to handle from SH to RH tire, with real life based alignment and suspension setup typical of Challenge cars ( F355 onwards )

Tested at various tracks, from Motegi Oval, Matterhorn Short, Apricot Hill, SSR5, Suzuka, and Deep Forest.

Enjoy

I know what I'm going to be playing with later. Thanks Ridox :tup:.

The Ferrari F430 might be my favorite Ferrari of all-time. Well, besides the F40 - but that's just unfair to even compare anything against it.

Snap .

Best sounding car start-up noise in GT6 too in my opinion. Makes me shiver every time.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

TOYOTA MOTORSPORTS GmbH ( TMG ) 86 GT CS V3 Race Car ( GT86 CUP )

Tuned to replicate GT86 TMG CS V3 Cup Car
Sports Medium to Racing Hard​

View attachment 111099​

CAR : Toyota 86 'Racing' '13
Tire : Sports Medium to Racing Hard ( Pirelli DH Slick 245/620 17 )

Specs
Horsepower: 227 HP at 7300 RPM
Torque : 166.6 ft-lb at 6800 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 1207 kg ( running weight )
Ballast : 64 kg
Ballast Position : -24
Weight Distribution : 54 / 46 as the real car spec.
Performance Points: 426

GT AUTO
Oil change ( Applied ) - OPTIONAL
Improve Body Rigidity ( INSTALLED ) -MANDATORY - the real car has welded roll cage from factory.
Wheels : Standard Size- OZ RACING Ultraleggera in grey or silver
Car Paint : White

Tuning Parts Installed :
Racing Exhaust ( HJS Motorsports Type )
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes Kit ( Project Mu Racing999 + Braided Lines )
Weight Reduction Stage 1


Suspension - OHLINS TTX36 2 Way Racing Coilover with Helper Springs
( Total Spring Rate DO NOT include Helper Springs Rate )
Personal Setup

Front, Rear

Ride Height: 122 135
Spring Rate: 13.00 16.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 2
Camber Angle: 3.4 1.4 ( TMG base setup max range - front 0 - 3.4 +- 0.75, rear 1.2 +- 0.75 - rear non adjustable )
Toe Angle: -0.13 0.20 ( TMG base front toe out 2mm, rear toe in 3mm )


Suspension - OHLINS TTX36 2 Way Racing Coilover with Helper Springs
( Total Spring Rate includes Helper Springs Rate )
Alternative Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 122 135
Spring Rate: 15.68 18.68
Dampers (Compression): 6 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 2
Camber Angle: 3.4 1.4 ( TMG base setup max range - front 3.4 +- 0.75, rear 1.2 +- 0.75 - rear non adjustable )
Toe Angle: -0.13 0.20 ( TMG base front toe out 2mm, rear toe in 3mm )

ALTERNATE DAMPER+ARB-MORE COMPLIANT - Highly Recommended to Try This First
Dampers (Compression): 2 3
Dampers (Extension): 3 4
Anti-Roll Bars: 2 1

View attachment 111105​

DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - FD20A 6 Speed Manual with 3.727 Final / Open Diff
Factory TMG Delivered
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final 4.100
Set Auto Max Speed at 280kmh / 174mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.626
2nd 2.188
3rd 1.541
4th 1.213
5th 1.000
6th 0.767
Set Final 3.727 ( TMG Factory delivered 6 Speed with open diff and 3.727 Final )

LSD - FD20A Open Differential ( Only for 3.727 )
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 5
Braking Sensitivity: 5

TMG OPTIONAL 6 Speed FD20AT DYXAJ010005-00-A01
Use stock GT86 Transmission with 4.100 Final and Stock LSD ( Torsen )

Initial Torque : 50
Acceleration Sensitivity: 80
Braking Sensitivity: --


Brake Balance:
3/4 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/4, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance. I would recommend to run just one click higher on rear brake.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/5 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
This is one of my hardest to make replica, I had to researched everywhere, magazines, forums, and technical docs. The real CS V3 has 200PS base engine in tech specs, but for racing use, it has FIA approved racing exhaust + catalyst and TMG Updated ECU. I decided to use only racing exhaust to get closer to the real car revlimit at 7450RPM. The tire is Pirelli DH slick, but in GT6, racing hard has too much grip, more like DM/DS slick, so I opted for sports medium ( similar to R comp semi slick ) or sports soft ( similar to DH slick IMO ) with optional to use racing hard.

Suspension of the real car is Ohlins TTX36 2 way Racing coilover with main + helper springs. To adapt these springs, I combined both to one spring rate The real car uses 2 rear differential option, one stock open diff with 3.727 and torsen LSD with 4.100 ( GT6 stock LSD + gearbox came with this ), I have included both, use the 3.727 transmission setup with open diff LSD setup.
Everything else are as close as possible to real car. Enjoy the drive This car will be great for spec endurance racing.

The car in action IRL :




UPDATE : Major update to the suspension, ARB has been tweaked, camber and toe alignment has been corrected, added optional spring rate setup ( there are differing opinion on helper springs being calculated into main spring rate - both are listed, one do not and another include helper spring rate in total value ), added both rear diff offered by TMG, FD20A ( open diff with 3.727 gear ) and FD20AT ( Torsen diff with 4.100 gear - came with stock GT86 in GT6 )

UPDATE 1.15 : Fixed Toe values.

UPDATE 1.22, October 2016 : Added Alternate Damper+ARB for better compliance, easier to drive on the limit, and highly recommended to try this first. Tested at Deep Forest and Nurburgring 24H on both CM and SM tires. Nicely balanced at Deep Forest even on CM.

Enjoy the special 86 TMG Cup Car

The TMG 86 GT CS V3 Cup Car has been updated again, with alternate damper+ARB for better compliance and easier to handle on the limit. Read the notes for more info. Neutral handling and traction are both prime objective of the update.

 

[Thorin Cain]

The TMG 86 GT CS V3 Cup Car has been updated again, with alternate damper+ARB for better compliance and easier to handle on the limit. Read the notes for more info. Neutral handling and traction are both prime objective of the update.

Tested at Sierra and Brands Hatch. Tried updated dampers and arb on both sets of springs (Only Torsen LSD Fitted). For personal tastes, I'll be leaving the original with no helper springs as it was. Not bad changes, just prefered the old ones. But with helper springs added, my word what a difference .
Nice work .

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Tested at Sierra and Brands Hatch. Tried updated dampers and arb on both sets of springs (Only Torsen LSD Fitted). For personal tastes, I'll be leaving the original with no helper springs as it was. Not bad changes, just prefered the old ones. But with helper springs added, my word what a difference .
Nice work .

Thanks for the feedback, so the stiffer rates works better with the alternate damper/ARB ? I tested the alternate damper/ARB on softer springs and comfort tires, looks like it suited better with stiffer rates. Have you tried on bumpy tracks like Deep Forest and Nurburgring ? The softer springs may work better there.

I've got a few cars coming, TVRs and Celicas all were tested on CM tires.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Thanks for the feedback, so the stiffer rates works better with the alternate damper/ARB ? I tested the alternate damper/ARB on softer springs and comfort tires, looks like it suited better with stiffer rates. Have you tried on bumpy tracks like Deep Forest and Nurburgring ? The softer springs may work better there.

I've got a few cars coming, TVRs and Celicas all were tested on CM tires.

No worries .

Yes they worked well with the stiffer springs, very well on Brands Hatch in fact. Of the 4 configurations tried it was by far the best overall for me (Using wheel). Was using SS tyres. Perhaps the softer ones would work better with lower grades and as you say, on bumpier tracks too . Might take her to the North Loop in a bit and check it out there too 👍.

 

[GT6champNK_69]

Hey Ridox. I very much like your Nissan Fairlady 300ZX GF-CZ32 TT replica. It is my favorite at the moment. I drive it in Senna style. You can catch the tail when it slide out.
Though I did some personal alternative changes, not big ones but for my liking.
Great work on this car, I look forward to the next in line. 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

No worries .

Yes they worked well with the stiffer springs, very well on Brands Hatch in fact. Of the 4 configurations tried it was by far the best overall for me (Using wheel). Was using SS tyres. Perhaps the softer ones would work better with lower grades and as you say, on bumpier tracks too . Might take her to the North Loop in a bit and check it out there too 👍.

Never thought the stiffer springs suited Brands Hatch , I tested the softer springs on CM to SM, didn't tried SS, so your feedback is valuable.
I edited the post again to add recommendation for SS tire with stiffer springs

Hey Ridox. I very much like your Nissan Fairlady 300ZX GF-CZ32 TT replica. It is my favorite at the moment. I drive it in Senna style. You can catch the tail when it slide out.
Though I did some personal alternative changes, not big ones but for my liking.
Great work on this car, I look forward to the next in line. 👍

Thanks Glad the 300ZX found a fan, it's rather unique car IMO, different than the older Z31 or newer Z33 and Z34 in GT6.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Never thought the stiffer springs suited Brands Hatch , I tested the softer springs on CM to SM, didn't tried SS, so your feedback is valuable.
I edited the post again to add recommendation for SS tire with stiffer springs

If I'm honest, neither did I , I went to Brands specifically because I only had the softer set-up on the car in my garage (Must have been from fanclub race once, was fully painted and numbered up.) . I only tried the harder springs once there and what can I say...I kinda liked it .

Tried the softer set with SH on Nordschliefe last night. Much better than with the stiffer springs. Damper and arb changes really helped maintain stable high pace (well, high pace to me ) without being upset by the kerbs I did run over and the odd bumps this place has to offer .
Should be a nice flexible car to have around with different settings suiting different track types . You'd almost think that was the aim .

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

TVR Griffith 500 '94

Tuned to replicate TVR Griffith 500

Comfort Medium to Sports Medium​

CAR : TVR Griffith 500 '94
Tire : Comfort Medium to Sports Medium

Specs
Horsepower: 321 HP / 325 PS at 5800 RPM
Torque: 350.7 ft-lb at 4000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 94.6%
Weight: 1170 kg
Ballast : 185 kg
Ballast Position : 16
Weight Distribution : 51 / 49
Performance Points: 481



GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity - NOT INSTALLED
Wheels : Standard Size Stock
Car Paint : Any Color


Tuning Parts Installed :
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 1


Suspension - Gaz Springs

Front, Rear

Ride Height: 145 145
Spring Rate: 5.35 7.14
Dampers (Compression): 4 4
Dampers (Extension): 3 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 2 1 - Optional Front ARB 3
Camber Angle: 0.8 0.8
Toe Angle: 0.08 0.16 - Optional Rear Toe 0.25



LSD -
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 21
Braking Sensitivity: 18




Brake Balance:
5/6 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/6, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 5/6 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :
A simple build to get close to a real stock TVR Griffith 500. Best tire is comfort medium, but feel free to fit up to SM tire. Try the optional front ARB at 3 and rear toe in at 0.25, this may give more stable car, but understeer may become more prevalent. The handling is pretty unique in this car, used spring rate from Gaz springs range, not sure if it's accurate due to differing sources, but it works well.

Tested at Deep Forest, Trial Mountain, Matterhorn Short and Brands Hatch. Capable of 28s lap at Matterhorn Short on CM, pretty good for a TVR.

Enjoy

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

HKS Technical Factory CZ200S Time Attack
Tsukuba Street Car / Tire 2009 Record Holder for Under 1 Minute Lap

Tuned to replicate HKS CZ200S Time Attack Street Car
Advan Neova AD07 vs AD08 Tsukuba Time Attack Hot Version/Best Motoring Feature

Comfort Soft to Sports Medium​

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CAR : Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR Premium Package '07
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Medium

Specs
Horsepower: 567 HP / 574.5 PS at 6400 RPM
Torque : 482.2 ft-lb / 66.7 kgfm at 5500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 96.0%
Weight: 1581 kg
Ballast : 41 kg
Ballast Position : 44
Weight Distribution : 58 / 42 as the real car spec.
Performance Points: 545



GT AUTO
OIL Change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED )
Wheels : Standard Size Volk RAYS CE28N in Dark Gray / Black
Car Paint : White Solid
Aero Kits Type A ( Optional )
Custom Rear Wing :
Wing Mount Standard Type C
Wing Large Type C
Winglets Large Type A
Wing size Height +0
Wing size Width +15


Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Intake Tuning
Catalytic Converter Sports
High RPM Range Turbo Kit
Twin Plate Clutch
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes Kit


Base Replica Setup based on 12/10 Hipermax II Sport Spring Rate

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with HKS Technical Factory Test Car Alignment Range
HKS Visual Ride Height Setup - Used on the replica video ( Recommended )
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 80
Spring Rate: 12.00 9.77
Dampers (Compression): 2 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 2.2 1.2
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.00

ALTERNATE DAMPER/ARB AIMED TO WORK WITH AYC AT 30 AND ABOVE :
Dampers (Compression): 2 2
Dampers (Extension): 7 10
Anti-Roll Bars: 2 2

The alternate damper/arb should work with all suspension setup and AYC set from 30 to 88+.

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with Mitsubishi OEM Alignment Range
HKS Visual Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 80
Spring Rate: 12.00 9.77
Dampers (Compression): 2 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 1.0 1.0
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.19

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with HKS Technical Factory Test Car Alignment Range
HKS Test Car Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 89 116
Spring Rate: 12.00 9.77
Dampers (Compression): 2 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 2.2 1.2
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.00

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with Mitsubishi OEM Alignment Range
HKS Test Car Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 89 116
Spring Rate: 12.00 9.77
Dampers (Compression): 2 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 1.0 1.0
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.19

View attachment 257963​

OPTIONAL Lower Spring Rate Package 10/8 :

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with HKS Technical Factory Test Car Alignment Range
HKS Visual Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 80
Spring Rate: 10.00 8.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 2.2 1.2
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.00

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with Mitsubishi OEM Alignment Range
HKS Visual Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 70 80
Spring Rate: 10.00 8.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 1.0 1.0
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.19

View attachment 257987​

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with HKS Technical Factory Test Car Alignment Range
HKS Test Car Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 89 116
Spring Rate: 10.00 8.00
Dampers (Compression): 6 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 2.2 1.2
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.00

Suspension - HKS HIPERMAX SPORTS III '09 Edition with Mitsubishi OEM Alignment Range
HKS Test Car Ride Height Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 89 116
Spring Rate: 10.00 8.00
Dampers (Compression): 2 8
Dampers (Extension): 7 3
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 5
Camber Angle: 1.0 1.0
Toe Angle: 0.00 0.19



Mitsubishi OEM Alignment Reference data used by HKS :

Camber Angle : Front Range 1.00 +- 0.50, Rear Range 1.00 +- 0.50
Toe Angle : Front Range ( Zero Toe ) 0.00 +- 0.12, Rear Range ( Toe In ) 0.19 +- 0.12

View attachment 257966​

AYC
AYC Controller : 88 ( Recommended Range 86 to 96 )


AERO
Rear : 20 ( Max )


Brake Balance:
4/4 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 2/2, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/4 brake balance as starting point.

Notes :

This is one of my most fun replica that I ever built The car is HKS CZ200S, a sleeper street car build which can double as time attack car at the track The car used is Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X CZ4A with a generous helping of HP increase. The specs of the real car :

Engine Modifications
HKS 4B11 forged pistons, HKS 4B11 H-section connecting rods (prototype), HKS GT3240 54T A/R0.73 full turbine kit, HKS GTII external wastegate, HKS turbine adapter, HKS stainless steel downpipe, HKS Silent Hyper one-off exhaust system, HKS Valcon Plus V Cam Kit Pro (256º IN, 248º EX); HKS 1.2 mm metal head gasket. HKS bypass pipe, HKS chamber pipe (polished), HKS polished suction pipe, HKS Racing Suction Reloaded foam filter, HKS R-Type Intercooler, HKS polished intercooler piping, upgraded fuel pump, HKS fuel rail, HKS 1000cc/min injectors, HKS cam covers with carbon spark plug cover
Power Rated at 575 PS and 67.5 Kgf-m of torque with the boost set at 1.95kgf/sqcm

Engine Management
HKS F-Con V Pro ECU

Drivetrain
HKS Racing 6-speed strengthened gears transmission (prototype) - uses 6 speed OEM ratio, HKS LA-type twin plate clutch w/ lightweight flywheel.

Suspension
HKS Hipermax III Sport prototype version ( '09 Spec )

Wheels, Tires and Brakes
Yokohama Advan Racing RS 18x10 +25 front, +35 rear, Yokohama Advan Neova AD08 ( Soft Compound - possibly an early phase of the "R" Orange Oil Rubber Compound ) 265/35R18 tires, Endless monoblock forged 6-pot calipers (f), 2-piece mini 6-pot calipers (r), Endless 2-piece E-slotted rotors (f/r), Endless brake pads all around

Exterior
Ralliart front brake ducts, HKS carbon canards, HKS carbon front under spoiler, Esprit dry carbon rear GT wing/HKS dry carbon rear wing (now fitted)

Interior
Bride Zeta III carbon-Kevlar racing bucket seats, Takata racing harnesses, Nardi leather steering wheel, HKS shift knob, HKS EVC 5 boost controller, HKS Circuit Attack Counter lap timer, HKS A/F Knock Amp meter, data logger

The car was featured in Hot Version / Best Motoring ( not sure which one ) Advan Neova AD07 vs AD08 Time Attack. This replica is based on the very same car that broke the street car/tire lap record at Tsukuba ( under 1 minute ). Driven by the drift master / HKS Test Driver Nobuteru Taniguchi, the HKS CZ200S posted 59.495 time on lap 8. A testament of the excellent performance, consistency and durability of the tire. The tire used was Advan Neova AD08 ( there's a possibility the tire uses early phase "R" Orange Oil Compound which later become AD08R ) The equivalent is slightly below SM tire in GT6, as the SH tire severely lacks in straight line grip, but SM has a bit too high lateral grip, so I have to make do with SM tire and it works great.

The weight and distribution data uses HKS own test car data for the Hipermax III Sport '09 Spec. Test car weight at 1581kg with 58.1 / 41.9 distribution, reflected in the ballast position. Power set at 567HP / 575 PS with all power upgrades installed and oil change. Torque is highest possible at 482.2 ft-lb / 66.7 kgfm, slightly lower than the real car 67.5 kgfm.

Suspension uses HKS Hipermax III Sport '09 Spec, with 12/10 spring rate. The rear spring rate is not possible in GT6 , so I have to use slightly lower rate at 9.77 kg/mm. I have tuned the damper and ARB to help the car easier to rotate. With the visual ride height and test car ride height being front lower, the understeer effect needs to be reduced/controlled. I have provided a variety of ride height and alignment to choose from. The recommended setup is 12/9.77 + Visual Ride Height ( 70/80 ) and HTF Test Car Alignment, this is the setup that I used for the GT6 vs Real Life video

There is also a second set of suspension setup which uses lower spring rate package at 10/8. This is suited better for bumpy tracks. It comes with the same variety of ride height and alignment as 12/9.77

AYC has been tuned as well with base value of 88 used on the replica ( recommended range 86 - 96 ). Feel free to adjust it to your liking / driving style.

The transmission remain stock as the real car uses 6 speed manual H pattern with HKS own prototype gears ( strengthened to endure the torque/power ) and uses 6 speed SST Getrag ratio and final. The base car used might be originally a manual 5 speed Evo X or SST 6 speed Evo X and HKS did a Manual H pattern conversion. A twin plate clutch also fitted ( HKS LA Type )

Racing Brakes kit has been installed to replicate the braking power / distance of the real car which have upgraded Endless Brake Kit : Monoblock forged 6-pot calipers (f), 2-piece mini 6-pot calipers (r), Endless 2-piece E-slotted rotors (f/r), Endless brake pads all around. Brake balance set at 4/4 for good stable braking power.

I have installed a rear wing, recreating as close as possible the real car Esprit GT Carbon Wing ( fitted on the real life lap record ) The Esprit GT wing was replaced after wards with HKS own GT wing.

The HKS CZ200S replica was tuned and tested at Willow Springs, Twin Ring Motegi Road and Tsukuba ( on comfort tire and sports tire ). At Twin Ring Motegi Road and Comfort Soft ( 12/9.77 + Visual+Test Alignment ), it managed a 2:06s lap time in 1st lap, quicker than the Gallardo SL LP570-4 and Nissan GTR '07 replica on same CS tire A replay of the Motegi lap has been included.


I also have included below a replay of the lap replicating the real life record at Tsukuba. The lap in GT6 is 59.484 against real life 59.495. I drive with similar pace to real life ( I watched the real life lap and used what I saw as a reference on how Taniguchi-san attack the track + how hard he pushed the car ), and you can see that the braking, steering, shift actions are very similar. A Youtube video has also been made, credits goes to @Lewis_Hamilton_, who helped created/edited/uploaded the video on his account, view it and leave a comment or like

Enjoy the car and the video ( a must watch )

The real HKS CZ200S
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UPDATE : Corrected toe values for toe in

UPDATE October 2016 : Added alternate damper/arb aimed at lower AYC value, tested at Deep Forest on SH tire with AYC at 30. The alternate damper/arb should work well on all suspension setup and AYC from 30-88+.

The HKS CZ200S has been updated with alternative damper/arb setup which should give much better weight transfer, transient peak grip and rotation from mid corner to exit.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Looks like I have several "follower", not sure why they seem to have negative vibe every time they quote ( over several thread in the past few months ) or talked to me ( posting on my profile etc )

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ffb-vs-physics.349501/#post-11593245

Maybe I should start ignoring them ?

 

[OdeFinn]

Looks like I have several "follower", not sure why they seem to have negative vibe every time they quote ( over several thread in the past few months ) or talked to me ( posting on my profile etc )

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ffb-vs-physics.349501/#post-11593245

Maybe I should start ignoring them ?

Don't get fully.. Looked quickly there and looks like usual Jambo singers are singing you in swamp..

Btw. Tested that hands off from wheel on full lock doing donuts.. Still thinking at FFB on GT6 is really brilliant, people just don't understand it

 

[Thorin Cain]

Looks like I have several "follower", not sure why they seem to have negative vibe every time they quote ( over several thread in the past few months ) or talked to me ( posting on my profile etc )

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ffb-vs-physics.349501/#post-11593245

Maybe I should start ignoring them ?

Funny how all of a sudden they are the ones singing from the "Simulation means something" songbook after giving the opposite answer to your tuning approach for all this time

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Don't get fully.. Looked quickly there and looks like usual Jambo singers are singing you in swamp..

Btw. Tested that hands off from wheel on full lock doing donuts.. Still thinking at FFB on GT6 is really brilliant, people just don't understand it

The self aligning torque is one aspect that often I noticed when I watch drift Assetto Corsa videos with wheel ( more apparent to see ), counter steering looks non-intuitive as driver needs to guide the wheel, nursing it when letting go should have allowed the wheel to self centered ( high caster setup also have influence as used often on drift cars ) Even cars like RUF CTR have very pronounced self centering in real life ( Best Motoring full wet skid pad test with onboard cam ) It's one of the most important aspect to simulate as cars do not grip all the time.

Funny how all of a sudden they are the ones singing from the "Simulation means something" songbook after giving the opposite answer to your tuning approach for all this time

I think my posts on AC + Pcars thread may have been a part of the reason, imagine if I have the game and reviewing them or open tuning garage, would be crazy

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Nissan E-BNR32 Skyline GTR
Tuned to replicate R32 GTR
Comfort Medium to Sports Hard​

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CAR : Nissan Skyline GTR '91
Tire : Comfort Medium to Sports Hard

Specs Dyno Power
Horsepower: 320 HP / 324 PS at 6400 RPM
Torque: 309.2 ft-lb at 4400 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.6%
Weight: 1480 kg
Ballast : 193 kg
Ballast Position : -50
Weight Distribution : 59 / 41 - used real life 59.x / 40.x
Performance Points: 460



GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED )
Wheels : Standard Size Stock
Car Paint : Gun Gray Metallic or Grayish Blue Pearl or Bay Side Blue ( From standard R34 GTR '99 )


Tuning Parts Installed :
Intake Tuning
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Weight Reduction Stage 2



Suspension - Nissan OEM Springs/Damper
Base Street/Track
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 145 145
Spring Rate: 3.78 4.25
Dampers (Compression): 3 2
Dampers (Extension): 7 9
Anti-Roll Bars: 1 2
Camber Angle: 0.9 1.1
Toe Angle: 0.06 0.13 - Optional front and rear zero toe 0.00


USE STOCK LSD - BASE - Recommended OR
LSD NISSAN A-LSD Base 2 Way - OPTIONAL
Front
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 5
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Rear
Initial Torque : 7 or 14
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 30


LSD NISSAN A-LSD Base 1.5 Way - OPTIONAL
Front
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 5
Braking Sensitivity: 5

Rear
Initial Torque : 7 or 14
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 5



Brake Balance:
5/5 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/2, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 5/5 brake balance as starting point.


Notes :
A second version of R32 GTR, this time a vanilla model GTR. Using R32 GTR '91, which is standard, but make no mistake, this car drives just as good as the premium Vspec if not better.

Tested at various tracks from Trial Mountain, Deep Forest and Matterhorn Short. On CM, it did 28s at Matterhorn Short, comparable to the TVR Griffith 500. It lapped in 1:32s at Deep Forest on CM.

 

[danbojte]

Looks like I have several "follower", not sure why they seem to have negative vibe every time they quote ( over several thread in the past few months ) or talked to me ( posting on my profile etc )

It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.

 

[Thorin Cain]

It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.

👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.

👍

I think I have been nice enough all this time

EDIT : I'll stay quiet I don't think self aligning torque is only possible with direct drive wheel like what someone said there, it's just contrary to what I have experienced playing arcade games with wheel like Battle Gear or other games with my friends G27 ( LFS for example )

Anyone want to try it on GT6 ? with the usual wheel like G27, DFGT or T300 ?

 

[danbojte]

I think I have been nice enough all this time

Of course you were. It's not about you, my friend. 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The self centering in action, the driver let go of the wheel as the car gaining angle or in transition :



This is possible in Battle Gear, I also have seen it in japanese youtuber drifting at Eiger with G27, I think it was GT5P or GT5, it was long time ago, the man used gloves, and racing shoes

 

[Thorin Cain]

I think I have been nice enough all this time

EDIT : I'll stay quiet I don't think self aligning torque is only possible with direct drive wheel like what someone said there, it's just contrary to what I have experienced playing arcade games with wheel like Battle Gear or other games with my friends G27 ( LFS for example )

Anyone want to try it on GT6 ? with the usual wheel like G27, DFGT or T300 ?

That's always been my opinion . I just gave @danbojte the 👍 because I like me a good proverb .

To the later point. Don't need to try, I discovered that very thing myself when I started really getting use to my G27. You can really feel it on F430 Challenge replica you made recently . Now whether that feedback is 100% simulated or not I can't say . Due totally because of my failure to get someone to let me drive one IRL .
But I would imagine IRL it is a similar effect just a lot stronger .

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That's always been my opinion . I just gave @danbojte the 👍 because I like me a good proverb .

To the later point. Don't need to try, I discovered that very thing myself when I started really getting use to my G27. You can really feel it on F430 Challenge replica you made recently . Now whether that feedback is 100% simulated or not I can't say . Due totally because of my failure to get someone to let me drive one IRL .
But I would imagine IRL it is a similar effect just a lot stronger .

How strong was the wheel when it moves as you let go ? Try reversing while the wheel slightly turned, also try do reverse up to speed, then 180 turn to forward Simple tests to see how well the physics behave.
If you are still driving the F430 Challenge, you can try beat Yuta Kirikae lap time at Tsukuba back in Best Motoring 2011, RS Dino ( RS-D ) F430 Challenge, 490PS, 1225kg, you can use 1300kg of replica in offline time trial ( fuel weight included ). Yuta-san did 57.375 lap on cold morning, he reached 206+kmh on back straight ( 5th gear ) and took the last turn in 4th gear. The tire should be SS in GT6. Lower front ARB to 2 for tight track like Tsukuba, it helped with turn in.

 

[OdeFinn]

Anyone want to try it on GT6 ? with the usual wheel like G27, DFGT or T300 ?

It's there, my video earlier shows it already, but your car tune has to be"good/right", front toe play big role, also camber.

 

[Thorin Cain]

How strong was the wheel when it moves as you let go ? Try reversing while the wheel slightly turned, also try do reverse up to speed, then 180 turn to forward Simple tests to see how well the physics behave.
If you are still driving the F430 Challenge, you can try beat Yuta Kirikae lap time at Tsukuba back in Best Motoring 2011, RS Dino ( RS-D ) F430 Challenge, 490PS, 1225kg, you can use 1300kg of replica in offline time trial ( fuel weight included ). Yuta-san did 57.375 lap on cold morning, he reached 206+kmh on back straight ( 5th gear ) and took the last turn in 4th gear. The tire should be SS in GT6. Lower front ARB to 2 for tight track like Tsukuba, it helped with turn in.

It was pretty strong, well compared to the other car's I've been driving lately. The only one I've done as many miles with recently is the 2000GT for the WRS TT (coincidently ) with stock settings and oil change on CS tyre. And it's way stronger than that one 👍.

Don't know if I'll be able to beat that time, but you never know. I'll give it a try

Oh, and I agree with Ode 👍.