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Praiano / Farrari 458 Italia
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7573810#post7573810

Stage 1: Stock Tune
546hp@9.0, 1485kg, 553pp @ 0.0 miles
Drivetrain: MR
Weight Distribution: 42/58

Painted Matte Black w/ custom Blitz BRW Profile 08 painted Silver Crome (classy đź‘Ť)

Standard Setup
Sports Hard tyres Stock

Times:
Trial Mountain (Reverse): 1:37.024
Deep Forest: 1:24.217
Autumn Ring:
1:25.472
Cape Ring Full:
2:53.801

Feeling:
This is the sexiest car ever made. Especially in Rosso Corsa. Straight up car pornography.

Technical:
This ain't no family van (:cough: PT C :cough: ). It took me two laps to remove the FF style from my driving and another several before I became comfortable.
Braking is relatively short. Trail-braking isn't life threadining but not usually productive. Throttle is needed to counter the under-steer. On the sports hard tyres it can be easy to forget how early I need to brake from a high speed. The car accelerates much better than it brakes.
Turn-in is sharp and accurate. Not overly hyper and undisturbing and not very pedal dependeant. Mid-corner is difficult. When I get the entrance correct then mid- follows easily enough and if I am smooth with the throttle then it flows into the exit. But usually I try to correct my line in mid-corner and this leads to inconsistant throttle application which upsets corner exit.
Sudden elevation changes (like those on DF Start/Finish straight) can cause the car to lose traction. Cambered corners don't have a detrimental effect, the car seems to keep up with them fine.
The overpowered nature of the car is apparent in the first slalom on DF, as the car rounds the tight right between the first tunnels a steady throttle will keep the nose pointed in, pushing through the light under-steer. The under-steer is so light as to be non-existant. Throttle lift off during a high speed corner can initiate catastrophic under-steer.
This car likes to sit in the Squeak zone. But don't be fooled, just because you hear the tyres going "rrrrrr" doesn't mean you're hot lapping, it can just as easily mean that you've overextended yourself.
 
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Very nice, thanks. The tune is specially for Nordschleife but it's ok most of the tracks, not all. The gears are specially for Nordschleife start grid.
Hope you'll enjoy your drive.

Have a good day.

><(((((°>°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
 
Hey Ronald, just a bit of a heads up, in case you don't have the Subie yet, I've set it on share for you to save you the tire of flipping through days of GT5's UCD. So get going after you're done drooling over Praiano's 458. :P
 
Ok, I'm back at it for a few days. I'm going to finish MCHami's Subi (my favorite car to drive online) then Praiano's 458.

I have a question for all you tuners and anyone who uses my reviews (is that anyone, or is it just the tuners who use my thread?):
Now that I have my phone and can more readily access online should I do my testing online?
I have heard that after update 2.08 offline driving feels dead in comparison. Because most people w/o use these tunes do so online wouldn't it make sense to test online?

Thanks,
Ron
 
Most, if not all, tuners will say if the tune is for online or offline. Whatever the tuner says it really should be what you do. For example, all of my tunes are tuned offline, but that is just me. Praiano tuned online 99% of the time.
 
I wonder, Ronald&#8230;if you got to go online to "test" these cars and wound up in a race or 20, I wonder how much of the review would get done? :lol:
 
DigitalBaka
I see we differ on more than just driving style. :D

You prefer a what, Bellet 1600 GTR?

Onboy123
I wonder, Ronald&hellip;if you got to go online to "test" these cars and wound up in a race or 20, I wonder how much of the review would get done? :lol:

Quick review: "I won a lot." Or, "I crashed a lot." Not much between.
 
Quick review: "I won a lot." Or, "I crashed a lot." Not much between.

"I won a lot. Car is great. Better than everyone else. In the room, anyway. Good car. More fun, report back later"? :lol:

And when are you actually going to be done with drooling over the 458? We might have to start imposing a restraining order to stop you from continuously going back to slobber over the thing. :lol:
 
Honestly it's online that has sucked me in. I can't stop racing my green subi on the 'Ring. I can stay inches from someone's bumper for miles without touching them. Best experience.

Hami, any chance I can get a personalized subi at 500 to 550 pp for Nordy? I would waste away infront of my wheel from malnutrition.

I'm on Trial Mountain finishing your subi review now.
 
Honestly it's online that has sucked me in. I can't stop racing my green subi on the 'Ring. I can stay inches from someone's bumper for miles without touching them. Best experience.

Hami, any chance I can get a personalized subi at 500 to 550 pp for Nordy? I would waste away infront of my wheel from malnutrition.

I'm on Trial Mountain finishing your subi review now.

Then we'll change it to a restraining order for online then. :lol: *puts on Judge wig thing* I hereby proclaim that from here-forth, Ronald6 cannot go online untilÂ…uhh 1/3 of your list is cleared! COURT! :lol:

Still, lucky man gets onlineÂ…one day, when I fix up my connection, I'll be trying to keep up with you. :D

MCH, do not do that, we'll lose a reviewer. :lol:
 
Hami, any chance I can get a personalized subi at 500 to 550 pp for Nordy? I would waste away infront of my wheel from malnutrition.

Sure. This will mean a bit of back and forth with you describing how the car is reacting with your driving style. We can make one that fits you perfectly.
 
: to the tune of 'pinky and the brain.':
Hami and the Ron, Hami and the Ron.
One enjoys driving, the other is insane.

"What are we going to do tomorrow, Ron?"
"The same thing we try to do every day, Hami. Take over the 'Ring!"

I giggled like a little school girl when I saw your post. I'd love to work on a project car with you.
If we used the T-n-T lounge that would probably work well.

Back to driving.
 
Praiano / Farrari 458 Italia
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7573810#post7573810

Stage 3: Full Tune
467hp@(6.6)9.0, 1232kg, 550pp @ 75.5 miles
(still no oil change)
Drivetrain: MR
Weight Distribution: 42/58
Tyres: Sports Soft

Painted Matte Black w/ custom Blitz BRW
Profile 08 painted Silver Crome (classy đź‘Ť)

Standard Setup
Testing online in My Lounge.

Times:
Trial Mountain (Reverse): 1:29.648
Deep Forest: 1.17.988
Autumn Ring: 1:18.881
Cape Ring Full: 2:40.018
Nurburgring:

Feeling:
This is the sexiest car ever made. Especially in Rosso Corsa. Straight up car pornography.
There is a lot to like about this car. Praiano has made another killer tune. But it will take a better driver than me to get the most out of it.


Technical:
Excellent brakes. The distance is short, even from high speeds. I can stomp them and still expect control. Trail-braking is fairly easy but best left for mid to low speed corners. Straight line braking from high speed is advised till you reach mid speed and it is safe to trail.
Turn in is very accurate. On a slalom however if I'm at the limit the car needs throttle lift off to change direction. The car has a bit of 'maintaining attitude' but it's not so much a problem as it is an attribute of the car. Both braking and throttle are useful for setting up over-steer for mid to corner exit.
Mid-corner is very good. Entry is so easy that the car should have no problem setting up its attitude for mid corner. Throttle control is full pedal and very predictable. Switching in the middle of a slalom is difficult sometimes, swingback has a lot of under-steer even with throttle lift off.
Corner exit is excellent. The cars top tier predictability makes exiting the corner under throttle easy.

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To test the car in its native environment I took it to the ACR_Test-N-Tune lounge and ran a three lap race (alone unfortunately). I recorded the race and my notes are based off of the video. I copied my 'text map' of the ring below and placed my notes on the car between corner/complex names. I entered my split times from my second lap where appropriate.

From the standing start the car takes off like a rocket. I think only a Yellow Bird tuned my DrSlump could catch it.
Care must be taken till the tyres get warm. The rear tyres will get white off the line then quickly fade to cool. If you try to push the car while the car is imbalanced it can have drastic resulted. The tyres don't heat till the start of lap two and aren't fully at racing temperature till lap three.
For some reason the car felt more stable on Nordy than my usual test tracks. I was able to push it and maintain the cars limit more at its home than at the fantasy tracks.

Nord Kurve - 1st corner after T13 (the old start / finish line)
aim in early and push through the under-steer to power out.

Hatzenbach - long S complex
Brake late given my entry speed and aim in early, let the cars natural understeer and trail braking put some distance between you and the competition.

Hocheichen - chicane at end of Hatzenbach, R L
The car grips like a champ through here and will talk an early and aggressive throttle for its approach to...

Quidderbacker Hohe - uphill straight
I need to lift off and brake a little to not only reduce speed but also rotate the car while maintaining as much speed as I can. A better driver might be able to take it flat out.
0:45.223

Flugplatz - R turning corner immediately after Quidderbacker Hohe flattens out
I'm just touching 7th gear before...

Schwerdenkurve - Left turning corner before Aremberg
Only a slight touch of the brakes is needed, much like Quidderbachen. Amazingly stable through a corner that usually chokes most cars I drive here.

Aremberg - U turn after 1st long section and before "fox hole"
One of my favorite corners on the 'Ring, if you hit the entry at the right speed, and it only takes a lap or two to get it right, you can maintain a very nice under four wheel drift, pushing the front wheels with understeer at the same time the rear wheels are trying to go around the outside just underneath over-steer.
0:34.837

Teffers straight - gentle downhill then uphill with gentle S-complex
Enjoy the sound and power.

Fuchsrohre - "Fox Hole", chicane after uphill section
Again, amazing stability with no problem navigating this complex near the limit. The cars predictability shines on this section.

Metzgesfield - 2 lefts and a right, ("farming" section)
Vroom vroom.
0:28.685

Kallenhard - hard R and chicane
Like mini Aremburgs.

Miss-Hit-Miss -
A section I have a hard time on usually but this car just glides through it.

Wehrseifen - "Caterham gold"
Takes it like my Caterham, accepting the throttle early and just containing its sped through the hard right.
0:50.769

Breidscheid - Caterham gold V2
Another hard complex for me and this car doesn't solve my problems magically.

Ex-Muhie - Uphill right immediately after V2
Amazing stability and very little pedal steering needed.

Bergwerk - "killer" philly
One of my worst corners in the game. This car is magic on this corner. Somehow on all three laps I nailed it with a very acceptable line.
0:38.260

Kesselchen - straight section between Bergwerk and Angst Kurve
Just straight throttle...

Angst Kurve - hardest Left on back straight
On SS tyres lift off is needed, but the brakes might be uncalled for.
0:25.973

Klostertal - straight section between Angst Kurve and Steilstrecken Kurve
Throttle...

Steilstrecken Kurve - Wide U before Karussell
Aremburg like. Should be taken under throttle from the entry.

Caracciota-Karussell -
I have a hard time, usually, placing my car correctly for entry into the Karussell. This car has no problem with snap under- or over-steer on entry.

Hohe Acht - section just after Karussell and before Hedwigshohe
Full throttle...

Hedwigshohe - ?
Brake early and push through under throttle.

Wipperman - L with a dip
Stable and has no problem with rhythm.
0:49.888

Eschback - wide R - downhill - wide L
On of my favorites on this track and this car shines. Such a beautiful squeal...

Brunnch - downhill straight - R - uphill straight
No problem avoiding the sand.
0:35.412

Eiskurve - sharp L then R after uphill straight
A problem complex for me. The cars could handle much more from someone more courageous.

Pflansgarten I - gentle L then sandpit
Brake early, throttle hard. Boom shakalaka.

Pflansgarten II - L then downhill (I often mistake this part for Wipperman)
Full throttle with coconuts.
0:30.800

Schwalbenschwanz - L - L "infineron" complex
Don't fear the sand, over-throttle if needed.

Galgenkept - Double R infineron complex
When the tyres are good I can take this complex from the top with full throttle for a perfect entry into...
0:42.018

Dottinger Hohe - Long Straight
Gearing is great. I just miss topping out here and I can use first on some of the tighter corners. The gearing is very well spaced for excellent acceleration and traction control.
0:22.352

Antoniusbuche - 1st gentle left after Dot hill
Full throttle...

Tiergarten - straight and gentle L R
Still...

Hohenrain-Schiken - ending chicane / complex
Brake here, gently at first but consistently and gear down early, 2nd is as low as I need and then throttle hard and early.
0:22.508
Total track time: 7:06.725
 
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Ronald6
You prefer a what, Bellet 1600 GTR?

Nah, I just think the Italia is hideous. Goes like stink but hideous. Just not Ferrari enough for me. To me the California is the perfect prancing pony. :dopey: I love the long nose, short deck style in my cars: California, Corvette, FC and FD RX7, even the old Audi Quattro and VW Corrado and Scirocco. More modern looking cars like the R8 and 430 and Gallardo are great looking too but the Daytonas and 280Zs and such will always be the truer expression of a sports car.... in my opinion of course. :D

Also, I never said thank you for the review of my Corvette. I appreciate the effort and thoughts. The other car I mentioned so many moons ago has not been touched in some time. Hopefully I will have time soon to play with it since I will be changing jobs in the next couple weeks and getting back to a more normal schedule.
 
DigitalBaka
...thank you for the review of my Corvette...

No problem.

I finished my review of Praianos 458 Italia. Great car on the 'Ring. Please note that my split times and track time for the car is by no means a challenge. I know I'm not a ringmeister.

I'll play around some tomorrow possibly, then start testing for the Azure Cobra shootout. I should be back to reviewing non-Cobra when the shootout is over and I'll try to breeze through some of the cars on my schedule. I know some of you have been waiting patiently.
 
Very nice detailed review, i'm impressed, congratulation. I like the section:

"Pflansgarten I - gentle L then sandpit
Brake early, throttle hard. Boom shakalaka.

Pflansgarten II - L then downhill (I often mistake this part for Wipperman)
Full throttle with coconuts.
0:30.800"
:) :scared::scared:

After Pflansgarten I , the next left before the downhill is one of the most important and technical turn. You need the perfect line and after it you have to take the down hilll on the left , with the car half on the grass ( just to be sure). If not , there is a bump that throw you in the middle of the road and you're not able for the "Full throttle with coconuts". Result will be broken coconuts.
This is a secret if you want to pass the next section full speed and take the front of an eventual racer after you from around 1 or 2 seconds.

Thanks a lot. Great job.

><(((((°>°°°°°°°°
 
Praiano / Farrari 458 Italia
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7573810#post7573810

Stage 3: Full Tune
467hp@(6.6)9.0, 1232kg, 550pp @ 75.5 miles
(still no oil change)
Drivetrain: MR
Weight Distribution: 42/58
Tyres: Sports Soft

Painted Matte Black w/ custom Blitz BRW
Profile 08 painted Silver Crome (classy đź‘Ť)

Standard Setup
Testing online in My Lounge.

Times:
Trial Mountain (Reverse): 1:29.648
Deep Forest: 1.17.988
Autumn Ring:
1:18.881
Cape Ring Full:
2:40.018
Nurburgring:

I am curious about the time at Monza with Chicane :embarrassed:, I had 1:56.xxx with similar 550pp 458 Italia during the recent TT seasonal.
 
If any tuners on my schedule would still like a review please send me a message with a link and letting me know if its 2.08 compatible.
Thanks
 
If any tuners on my schedule would still like a review please send me a message with a link and letting me know if its 2.08 compatible.
Thanks

Ron could you take a drive of my blind tuned HSR-II concept for the Fall shootout?

Newdriver's got it on share. Thank you! :)
 
As long as the other tuners and shootout host are OK with it. In testing for that shootout.
 
As long as the other tuners and shootout host are OK with it. In testing for that shootout.

They should be, as I've got ugabugaz to run my car with a video so I can see what it's doing, and Newdriver has given me feedback too as I'm tuning by proxy.
 
+1 i want review for those cars please :
its 2.08 compatible
AUDI TTS COUPE '09 500PP
Sports tiers and Racing tires working both

TOYOTA FT-86 CONCEPT'09 500pp
Sports tiers and Racing tires working both

And before you said that you will do the RX7 but its only racing soft tires and i think you like only sports tires and down .

Edit : Three of them now on share and you choose . I adjust the final gear for the tracks you like to make the review for it .:)

Thank you Ron .

ND:dopey:
 
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NewDriver123 / Audi TTS Coupe '09

Stage 3: Full Tune
374hp@6.5, 1248kg, 500pp @ 547.3 miles
Drivetrain: 4WD
Weight Distribution: 60/40
Tyres: Sports Hard

Car borrowed, not made.

Times:
Trial Mountain (Reverse): 1:42.437
Deep Forest: 1:26.144
Autumn Ring: 1:28.605
Cape Ring Full: 2:58.561
Cote d'azure: 1:48.860

Feeling:
Slow body roll, quick reaction, underpowered, gentle persistant under-steer.
The car is deceptively fast.

Technical:
Breaking distance is good, but should done in a straight line. Trail braking is lacking, slip trail braking is not productively possible, the rear end will never slip more than the front.
Corner entry is OK. My wheel feedback feels good and is fingertip light. The front end body roll feels slow, but there is no delay in turn in. The under-steer doesn't hinder accuracy too much and the rear doesn't inhibit turn in. Both breaking and throttle only adjust the cars attitude so far, the car is hard to disturb. On tighter corners the car is difficult to roatae quickly.
Mid corner is good. The cars understeer isn't overbearing but any over-steer obtained is only momentary.
Corner exit is very good. As long as the car is properly setup the over-steer is hardly noticeable at this point and power delivery never overpowers the tyres.
Gearing is fine and evenly spaced. Power delivery feels muted.
Camber and elevation changing complexes don't disturb this car.
High speed corners must be entered with quite a bit of pre-entry.
At Cote d'Azures' hotel U the car, with the aid of e-braking, does a very nice even drift rotating well and exiting with power.
 
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I rarely tune my own cars. I'm never totally happy with them. And I don't tune race cars, just street cars.
 
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