RS200...American?

[Famine]

Odd exception...the RS200 was limited to WRC type rally, so I guess it would be linked to america regardless. Reffering to the IS200 GT-1 though, I would say that since it was made for a national (Nation being Korea) championship, it's origin would be in Korea.

However, I would also assume that they've made the same mistake with the Ford Australia V8 racecar; labeling it american, despite having Ford "Australia" in the name

To be honest, it doesn't do to overanalyse (or indeed analyse at all) some of PD's choices in this matter. Otherwise the Mini Cooper 1.3i - listed as German - would make your head explode.

What is the reason of this post? Your opinion holds no weight in relevance to the question if the RS200 is American or not.

Step 1: Giving information about why trying to definitively pin down the origins of cars, specifically referring to the RS200 as the topic of this thread, is a snipe hunt through the medium of an article I'd coincidentally written for a non-commercial website two weeks before the thread was made.
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit

 

[Hayden]

Move along...

 

[Machate-man]

Step 1: Giving information about why trying to definitively pin down the origins of cars, specifically referring to the RS200 as the topic of this thread, is a snipe hunt through the medium of an article I'd coincidentally written for a non-commercial website two weeks before the thread was made.
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit

I was refrencing the quote I had put into my post after yours:

Shameless plug Famine...shameless shameless shameless.

^^^THIS was what I was getting at.

 

[Famine]

I know - I was commenting on the mindset of someone who'd think that was a plug. Of course if it was a plug and I was, somehow, profitting from it, I'd want as much discussion about it was possible...

The article does cover why it's tricky to pin down the exact origins of a given car, with examples (including the RS200) and also that you shouldn't bother. Tack on PD's occasionally ludicrous inconsistency (which includes allowing the AI to drive cars in events that players can't use!) and you'll just drive yourself insane.


Incidentally, I'll add that the GT40 mentioned earlier was itself closely related to the Lola Mk6 (Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, UK).

 

[xSNAKEx]

Ya, a lot of car companies are like that.

Can't remember the manufacturer right now, but they are Japanese... they designed the car in Europe, build the car in the UK, and it is only sold in Europe. It never even reaches Japanese shores but it's still a 'Japanese' car cause of the badge on the front.

you're thinking of the euro Honda civic?

 

[DDAAVVIIDD82]

I forgot how poorly sarcasm is received over the internet, my apologies. Plug or not, it was a failed attempt at humor.

The topic, however, was brought up more to question PD's inclusion of the car in an event for use by AIs but not users.

 

[homeforsummer]

you're thinking of the euro Honda civic?

That, and also the Honda mentioned in Famine's blog post - the Accord Type R, which was basically entirely British, with a Japanese engine. The Accord Euro R - which wasn't sold in Europe - was Japanese.

 

[DaxCobra]

Yeah you're right I was overstating it as 100% American.

Geez it's like a guy can't grab a snippet from Wikipedia { and not bother reading through the entire Wiki page } and use it to support a biased point of view anymore What's the net coming to.



You forgot to mention those great American drivers that piloted the GT40: Dennis Hulme, Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon.

I'm sure that Mr. McLaren was from NZ, but moving on...

Edit: O'wait, it was sarcasm.

*walks off*

 

[Famine]

All three of them were - it's that eSarcasm again

That, and also the Honda mentioned in Famine's blog post - the Accord Type R, which was basically entirely British, with a Japanese engine. The Accord Euro R - which wasn't sold in Europe - was Japanese.

That one always amused me - two generations they made of the Euro-R and it was only sold in Japan, while the actual Type-R was made, built and sold exclusively in Europe!

I forgot how poorly sarcasm is received over the internet, my apologies. Plug or not, it was a failed attempt at humor.

The topic, however, was brought up more to question PD's inclusion of the car in an event for use by AIs but not users.

It's almost tradition for them now. There's loads more in GT5 than there were previously (I have a list somewhere), but GT4 had concept cars in the supercar series that you couldn't use yourself. I suppose at least they acknowledge the European origins of the RS200 (though not the GT40) even if they don't let you use one!

 

[DDAAVVIIDD82]

It's just such a shame they don't. It's not like the car provides such an obscene advantage, it's just an absolute blast to drive (even in bone stock form).

 

[dxm8975]

As long as the car belongs to the list of sales of their products of a certain company originated from a certain nation, the car can be considered to have roots with the manufacturer and its mother country, regardless by whom the car had been manufactured and where it was assembled to be a vehicle.

 

[Famine]

As long as the car belongs to the list of sales of their products of a certain company originated from a certain nation, the car can be considered to have roots with the manufacturer and its mother country, regardless by whom the car had been manufactured and where it was assembled to be a vehicle.

Ummm... huh?

You seem to be saying that it's the territory in which the vehicle is sold that determines its nationality (making the RS200 European, the Accord Type-R European and the Holden Barina Australian) in the first part, and then it's the manufacturer of the vehicle that determines its nationality (making the RS200 American, the Accord Type-R Japanese and the Holden Barina British/German) in the second part. Neither of those two lists is wholly right, for reference.

 

[Rob192005]

Here's one for you..Vauxhall Monaro VXR Which nationality is it? Some would say Australian because it was "born" there as the Holden Monaro,some would say American because of the Chevy V8 engine and some would say British because of the Badging/trim. Who'd be right? Or did the Pontiac come first?

 

[Bom15]

I always thought of the Vauxhall Monaro as Australian Personally. The Ford GT40 i see as Anglo-American. It was a joint effort between both countries. Same with the AC/Shelby Cobra. The Cobra would never of been born if the Ace wasn't built. But Ford, as i see it, Have 3 divisions. American division with ur F150's, Thunderbirds, Mustangs etc. European division with the RS200, Sierra, Capri etc. And Australian Division with the Falcons.

 

[Slash]

I always thought of the Vauxhall Monaro as Australian Personally. The Ford GT40 i see as Anglo-American. It was a joint effort between both countries. Same with the AC/Shelby Cobra. The Cobra would never of been born if the Ace wasn't built. But Ford, as i see it, Have 3 divisions. American division with ur F150's, Thunderbirds, Mustangs etc. European division with the RS200, Sierra, Capri etc. And Australian Division with the Falcons.

Capri was sold in the United States, I see them all the time in my shop class.


EDIT: FORD Made, Mercury branded. My bad.

 

[Bom15]

The Capri i was talking about, I should've been more specific. Is the 1969-86 model. But i just did a little digging. And found some info.
There where many Fords/Mercury's with the name Capri. 1961 Ford Consul Capri was made by by Ford Britain although design was distinctly american. Built in Dagenham UK. The 1969-1968 Capri Was also european designed and shown of at the Brussels Motorshow. It was the european Pony car. They where also built In Dagenham and Halewood. They where also built in Germany, Belgium, South Africa & Australia. In The US Mercury had a capri which was based on the MK1 capri. They where all built in Germany and imported. the european capri ceased production in 1986. 1983 Ford America decided not to import the capri anymore. But they still used the name. This Mercury capri was a restyled Mustang and was built in America. In 1991 a new Mercury Capri was built. But this was an Australian import and was 1st produced in 1989.
So basically we're both kinda wrong depending which capri we're talking about.

 

[Grayfox]

Indeed sir you are correct

But Lexus has a Japanese flag icon not U.S flag icon.

Holden Barina British/German.

Holden Barina is Daewoo Kalos Making it Korean, the pre MY05 Barina was an Opel Corsa.

 

[HippieGiraffe]

Holden Barina is Daewoo Kalos Making it Korean, the pre MY05 Barina was an Opel Corsa.

South Korean to be exact, but doesn't Daewoo fly a GM flag? Thus another one of those "made here, owned from there" conundrums.

Us North American's may be more familiar with the Chevrolet Aveo, which happens to be yet another rebadge of the Kalos.

 

[Mic_Col]

Wow haven't we just opened a Pandora's box of 'That car from where??' questions.

I could get started on the Toyota Lexcen . . . and other Australian only brand cross-overs . . .but I won't.

 

[HippieGiraffe]

Wow haven't we just opened a Pandora's box of 'That car from where??' questions.

I could get started on the Toyota Lexcen . . . and other Australian only brand cross-overs . . .but I won't.

No, please do. We can have fun with this one 💡

Besides, the original Chevy Lumina's were built not so far from me in Oshawa.

 

[Famine]

the pre MY05 Barina was an Opel Corsa.

Hence British/German - though I believe the Corsa C destined for Australia was built in South Africa, while the European Vauxhall/Opel was built in Spain...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah you're right I was overstating it as 100% American.

Geez it's like a guy can't grab a snippet from Wikipedia { and not bother reading through the entire Wiki page } and use it to support a biased point of view anymore What's the net coming to.



You forgot to mention those great American drivers that piloted the GT40: Dennis Hulme, Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon.

Gurney should be one of the most important named, especially due to the Gurney bubble on his car. A.J. Foyt is equally important. Those two are very American as others have said.

 

[playnthru]

Here's one for you..Vauxhall Monaro VXR Which nationality is it? Some would say Australian because it was "born" there as the Holden Monaro,some would say American because of the Chevy V8 engine and some would say British because of the Badging/trim. Who'd be right? Or did the Pontiac come first?

The Holden came first, '98 I think.??.👍 Pontiac came last '04..👍

I have an '06 GTO..Aussie/ American Mutt really..My American parts, come from down under

Oh reading the posts..I forgot all about the Lumina SS, Both 2 and 4 door..I think they belong in this same group..

Thanks,playnthru

 

[Rob192005]

In 1998 I think it was a concept to try and make a 2 door Commodore based on the VT model also known as the Cadillac Catera/Vauxhall/Opel Omega so yes I'd say you're right sir.👍

 

[azzkker]

You guys are forgeting the merker line of cars sold here in the states that were another line of european fords renamed. And the mustang based capri was not assembled in an american fashion but more along the lines of the performance fords of europe with a stiffer chassis and more welds then the mustang. It would be wrong to call it just a rebadge.

 

[playnthru]

You guys are forgeting the merker line of cars sold here in the states that were another line of european fords renamed. And the mustang based capri was not assembled in an american fashion but more along the lines of the performance fords of europe with a stiffer chassis and more welds then the mustang. It would be wrong to call it just a rebadge.

Yep, forgot all about those Merkurs XR4Ti's..Whole new can of worms

 

[Rob192005]

You're right,the MerkUr cars were badge engineered XR4i Sierra's and Grenada Scorpio's and hardly got off the ground.

 

[HippieGiraffe]

Yep, forgot all about those Merkers XR4Ti's..Whole new can of worms

Ah yes, Merkur. I believe those were built by Karmann, or atleast in the case of XR4's they were.

 

[Sluffer]

Yes, they are Nissans "luxury" wing in the US.

The Infiniti brand is sold in Europe too.

 

[Mic_Col]

No, please do. We can have fun with this one 💡

Well here's the basics, the Lexcen was a Holden Commodore that was badged as a Toyota. Had a slightly different grill put in also.

They only did it with the base model, so now the Lexcens are looked down on in the 2nd hand car market, compared to Commodores of the same age.

Why it was done: Off the top of my head (meaning someone will shortly point out how massively wrong I am) it was a two way arrangement where a 2 litre Toyota hatchback sold as a badged Holden hatchback.

So basically you had 2 identical cars being sold in the same market.

How do you sell a car that's exactly the same as the other, more recognised one?

By making one of the worst ads you've ever seen one that ironically tries to put forward the idea that the buyers are different due to their choice of the different car, something like that.

Seriously this is terrible, it is cringe worthy. Shockingly bad ad making. It was bought up a few years ago in an Australian car owners forum that I go to and we all ridiculed it.

** You have the option of not watching this - be warned!!



Edit: watching it back, the dog looks ashamed to be in the ad. He really is there against his will. Poor doggy.