RS200...American?
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is it the same with the escort cosworth? which is also essentially a british car
think of it this way, there are british market nsx's & S2000's in which honda are Japanese owned.
If you were japanese and could only race these in the british race obviously that wouldnt be right
so i take it there had to be some of these sold in america and owned american so they are infact are american
the popularity of that car in the country of where the company originates from is no difference but where the company is from does.
consider this, VW own Lamborghini and Bugatti and Bentley but the company names originate from different countries, the ford name doesnt originate from the UK
If fords british cars came under a different name (or a different manufacturer they bought out apart from ford) then it would have been different
think of it this way, there are british market nsx's & S2000's in which honda are Japanese owned.
If you were japanese and could only race these in the british race obviously that wouldnt be right
so i take it there had to be some of these sold in america and owned american so they are infact are american
the popularity of that car in the country of where the company originates from is no difference but where the company is from does.
consider this, VW own Lamborghini and Bugatti and Bentley but the company names originate from different countries, the ford name doesnt originate from the UK
If fords british cars came under a different name (or a different manufacturer they bought out apart from ford) then it would have been different
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Are they not they owned by GM motors who are american
But they acutally originated from Holden which is australian
They also own Saab, which are also sold in australia, would that make a Saab now australian . . . . no
besides lots of companies engine swap these days
clear as mud......... but i can only think it about where the company name, their trade mark and what country their company is registered in. sort of like a businessman could have 5 different businesses all floating seperateley under their own names or you could have a parent holding company which operates everything in one place
I suppose thats why skodas are thought of as German these days
some of the manufacturers that i can think of that are operating under parent companies
Ford Ford/Volvo/Mazda/Aston Martin
VW VW- Porsche/Seat/Skoda
Audi -Lamborghini/Bentley
Fiat Fiat/Alfa Romeo/Ferrari
Tata Jaguar/Land Rover
GM Chevrolet/Buick/Cadillac/Holden/Vauxhall/Opel
Daimler Mercedes/McLaren/Amg
Proton Proton/Lotus/MV agusta
Toyota Toyota/Lexus/Scion/Daihatsu/Hino
Shanghai automotive MG/SSangYong
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You forgot to put Daewoo with GM I think...then again Daewoo isn't around neither is Pontiac or Saturn 
GM use to have alot of stuff, oh well.
GM use to have alot of stuff, oh well.
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So far that I am aware Volvo was sold to the Chinese (Geely?), while Mazda/Martin are no longer under Ford's direct influence. The economy is mainly to blame, of course.
As for Audi/Lambo, they're all VW. Well, Volkswagen Group to be specific, who in turn operates VW and the like. Though I think Porsche still holds majority stake in VW Group
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I'm pretty sure that Dodge is owned partly by either Fiat or Alfa, I think it is Alfa.
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X2010 isn't japanese either, it's under the gran turismo dealership but so is the LM test car and it says that is American.
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Chrysler and Fiat
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Well Red Bull are an Austrian Drinks company. So in Theory the X2010 & X2011 are from there to.
Its a Daewoo Matiz. Chevy own Daewoo. I would never call that a chevy. Other Daewoo Chevy's are the Kalos Or in chevy speak the Aveo. Lacetti and Cruze are also Daewoo's.
Imagine showing up at an Am-car meet with this.
It IS a Chevrolet but it really isn't, is it?
Its a Daewoo Matiz. Chevy own Daewoo. I would never call that a chevy. Other Daewoo Chevy's are the Kalos Or in chevy speak the Aveo. Lacetti and Cruze are also Daewoo's.
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Gotta say, though, I haven't had a single significant problem with my Aveo since I bought it.
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Just because a car company is owned by another car company. it doesn't mean that the nationality of that company changes. Aston Martin are British and have along Heritage building cars in England. They were bought by ford a few years back. It just means thay have the rights to the name and depending on the contract can use parts from Aston Martin. Like Audi 'borrowed' the Gallardo's V10 for the R8. Its also a good way to make more money. Ford where in trouble financially as where Aston. Both ithink have made profits again lately. But that doesn't mean that they where now suddenly american. But anyways I think Prodrive bought Aston Martin another British company, although Ford may still have some shares.
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Car & Driver had a neat write-up not so long ago on the American manufactured electric motors for the upcoming Spark EV and others.
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Chrysler and Fiat
Ah yes thank you. I only remember this because the next gen viper.
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Chrysler and Fiat
Alfa is part of Fiat. Chrysler is now held by Fiat (53%). It sucks what the Chrysler folks did to the Fiat 500 when porting it into the US.
You didn't mention the above Chrysler brand that screwed up worse, they had to get bailed out, then bought out.
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👍 I hope they bring over the MiTo with the 1.4L engine and don't demolish it like the Fiat 500. If they mate it with the 6 speed TCT transmission, it will shatter the Fiesta. It'll get 50mpg if driven correctly... even including the 10% ethanol.
Moreover, bring over the 4C... and include it in GT5(to connect it back to this forum). That's a sporty thing.
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Lancias are also re-badged as chryslers so they can be sold in the UK. Lancia left the UK mainly due to having to buy back all the rotten cars they sold.
@Famine. thanks for putting my 2 posts together. I messed up the quote and double posted by mistake. I then edited one of them and added the red bull bit so it wasn't the same. If i make a post and then want to delete it, how do i do it?
@Famine. thanks for putting my 2 posts together. I messed up the quote and double posted by mistake. I then edited one of them and added the red bull bit so it wasn't the same. If i make a post and then want to delete it, how do i do it?
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Becuase it was designed in Germany. I noted someone pointed out the Ford Focus, same story. Designed In Germany
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Notwithstanding the fact that this misses the point - the car is classed as American in the game, but the AI alone can use it in European events - it's also flat out wrong.
It was designed in Chelmsford by Ford Motorsport. It was based on an earlier project - the Ford Escort Mk3 RS1700T - also designed in Chelmsford by Ford Motorsport but abandoned in favour of a completely bespoke vehicle to win Group B. The body itself was designed by Carrozzeria Ghia in Turin (owned by Ford), the interior was designed and assembled by Tickford in Milton Keynes, the engine came from Cosworth in Northampton and the whole thing was put together in a factory that's now houses in Tamworth by Reliant (yes, the people who made the Reliant Robin, Regal, Rialto and Kitten).
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I've said it already. Ford are split into 3 different divisions. USA, Europe and Australia. Although they still use the same name. If it was today they would probably have done what Nissan, Toyota etc did and create a new brand name for a different market. Like Infiniti and Lexus. I believe Ford Europe celebrated its 100th birthday this year. The first car that became available in europe was the Model T. But since then all 3 different divisions have taken there own root. Using different design houses and manufacturing plants. Although some cars like the Focus are imported/exported between countries.
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You're talking about subsidiaries. They're (Ford Credit, Ford of Europe, Ford do Brasil, etc) owned by a parent company that is based in America. Infiniti and Lexus are both subsidiaries of parent companies based in Japan. Ford of Australia used to be part of Ford of Canada, now parented by Ford Motor Company. They operate like their own company, but speak to a higher boss... like PD is a subsidiary of Sony.
The RS200 "glitch" should just be fixed. This should be simple, but is so small, it's easily overlooked. Also, if we can win the series/race with it in there, what difference does it ultimately make?
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So far that I am aware Volvo was sold to the Chinese (Geely?), while Mazda/Martin are no longer under Ford's direct influence. The economy is mainly to blame, of course.
As for Audi/Lambo, they're all VW. Well, Volkswagen Group to be specific, who in turn operates VW and the like. Though I think Porsche still holds majority stake in VW Group
yeah if you look at my list i put them right under vw, yeah vw are the marquee holding company name
its like they are a seperat entity, vw, seat, skoda share engines/parts to the extreme and even the old porsche 911's were bred from beetles, and yeah i think porsche have the majority shares but keep the VW household name. I read that porsche are the most profitable manufacturer in the world and bmw the biggest when you include aftersales and parts (rip off, £800 for an ecu and £400 to setup £150 for my key)
whereas, the lambo's and bentley are completely under audi contol/design, vw let them take care of them, sort of like ford not having influence on mazda & aston. your more than likely correct about volvo but they have shared that 2.5 engine from the s60 for years now and still do in the focus rs/c30R/ x-type which is why i thought it was still ford
Im sure there are lots more but they are just the ones i could think of quickly
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Holden got the Corolla and Camry out of it. They were rebadged as the Nova and Apollo. :-)
One of my mates had a Nova as his first car and his mum had the Corolla. They sold them around the same time and needless to say, the resale on the Corolla was a lot better. Lol.
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They were assembled in Germany initially, and continuously have since. The plant previously built Escort's until being replaced by the Focus. Though it was not designed by a German, but rather an Aussie.
