Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[inCloud]

Trump's biggest enemy, aside from believing rules don't apply to him, is his own mouth.

But he still leading in race to presidency.

Trump literally told the State of Georgia to "find him some votes," and, on January 6th, encouraged people to go to the Capital to stop the certification process. He's repeatedly denied the results of the election for four years and still claims he won, despite losing. He even tried to get his vice president to overturn the results. If you don't think Trump was trying to overthrow the government you've paid exactly zero attention.

Guess, then court will say he is guilty. From my standpoint its looks like laughable case.

 

[Joey D]

Guess, then court will say he is guilty. From my standpoint its looks like laughable case.

There's way more to it than you seem to understand, and it's not even remotely laughable. To find it laughable, you have to be woefully ignorant of what actually went on, and since you're so interested in US politics for some reason, I'd assume you'd at least have an idea of what transpired.

I also don't think you understand how our justice system works. The court doesn't decide guilt, a panel of jurors made up up of the general population does. Guilty people go free all the time with one of the most famous ones in recent times being OJ Simpson. He even wrote a book basically saying he did it and was found liable in civil court for the murder, yet he was found not guilty.

I highly doubt Trump will be found guilty despite being on tape doing exactly what the charges against him said he did.

 

[Blitz24]

But he still leading in race to presidency.

Because: Enough people aren't a fan of Biden/Won't vote for Democrats regardless of candidate/Polls mean nothing until actual election results come in.

 

[Imari]

Not enough proofs.

Not enough proof that a senator can be corrupted than a senator getting indicted for corruption? Have you looked at the evidence? It's a slam dunk.

If you don't believe a senator can be corrupted even with Bob Menendez staring you in the face, your opinion on the matter is worthless.

Trump wins Colorado ballot disqualification case at US Supreme Court

He certainly did. But you said his actions wouldn't be considered a coup by any independent court. Clearly that's not the case or it never would have gotten to the US Supreme Court. It was there because lower independent courts considered it a coup.

You were wrong. Many people, including major independent courts, consider Trump's behaviour to have been an attempted coup.

Its laughable because there wasn't intend to overthrow government.

You're on your own in imagination land now. Not even die-hard Trumpists agree with that statement. They just think that it was legal to overthrow the government. They were and are wrong.

You've swallowed American Trumpian propaganda entirely, which is impressive for someone in Russia. You're either a troll or you're so unbelievably uninformed that your opinions are entirely without value. Your knowledge of the matter doesn't appear to extend beyond Fox News.

 

[eran0004]

MAGA Republicans are isolationists, they want to cut off any support just because "all money to Murica" seems like great populist slogan. Trump using them as political platform and have his own goals.

No, they are really desperate for Putin’s support in the election:

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Something tells me that conflict wouldn't be over this year.

Something tells me you haven’t thought through the idea that Trump would compensate for the lack of Ukrainian aid with missile threats against Russia. You can’t end aid now and then start threatening Russia a year from now.

 

[Keef]

This video really illustrates how soft and pro-Russia most Europeans are.

 

[eran0004]

Trump wins Colorado ballot disqualification case at US Supreme Court

SCOTUS didn’t try whether he was guilty, they just tried if the states had a right to determine that independently. The supreme court of Colorado did find him guilty.

 

[McLaren]

They don't. Actually, I think cremlebots would support Biden this time. Its not like one president is more favourable than the other, more like to rise chaos lvl.

Biden is infinitely more favorable than Trump.

I don't know what happened in the last few pages, but your posts have weirdly turned from being against your country's war efforts to supporting/sticking up for a former President who definitely is in favor of Russia winning it.

 

[inCloud]

You can’t end aid now and then start threatening Russia a year from now.

He didn't end it, he did opposite right after Primaries ended.

The supreme court of Colorado did find him guilty.

In overthrowing the government? Don't think so.

I don't know what happened in the last few pages, but your posts have weirdly turned from being against your country's war efforts to supporting/sticking up for a former President who definitely is in favor of Russia winning it.

Biden don't want to end conflict, he would prolong it until every Ukrainian and half of Russians are dead. With Biden war would not stop until Putin is president.

Trump could stop bloodbath. Which is obviously more favourable for me as Russian that have friends in Ukraine. How bad he would be as president of US? IMO, very ineffective as last time, but honestly I don't care.

 

[Imari]

Biden don't want to end conflict, he would prolong it until every Ukrainian and half of Russians are dead. With Biden war would not stop until Putin is president.

Riiiight.

Why would Biden want to do this, exactly?

Trump could stop bloodbath.

Riiiight.

What deal is Trump going to make that will end the bloodbath?
Why would Trump want to make that deal?

 

[inCloud]

Why would Biden want to do this, exactly?

Do what? He just doesn't doing anything to stop conflict for two years.

Why would Trump want to make that deal

Because he promises this to his electorate? Because he is power hungry narcissist and this would boost his ratings?

 

[GlockPants]

Do what? He just doesn't doing anything to stop conflict for two years.

I'm curious what you expect the US President to do about a war that isn't his to fight. The US has been sending aid and just approved more for Ukraine to resist Russia's invasion, so even collectively if you lump Biden = America, he hasn't done 'nothing'.

Why hasn't Putin done anything to stop the conflict? He could just like, retreat.

Because he promises this to his electorate? Because he is power hungry narcissist and this would boost his ratings?

Trump's promises are not ones to be relied upon. I still remember how my tax dollars went to pay for a border wall that I didn't want that Mexico was promised to pay for.

 

[inCloud]

I'm curious what you expect the US President to do about a war that isn't his to fight.

Problem is, he claims this fight as his.

Why hasn't Putin done anything to stop the conflict

Because he doesn't want it?

Trump's promises are not ones to be relied upon

Its not like he didn't try to build the wall. I not arguing that Ukraine would be happy with his peacekeeping solution. But burning thousands of men without any noticeable income doesn't make any sense anymore.

 

[Dennisch]

But burning thousands of men without any noticeable income doesn't make any sense anymore.

They're defending their homeland against a moronic murderous group of people with what seems the collective IQ of a mashed potato. I wouldn't want to see my country been overrun by that too. I fail to see why that is so hard to understand. Ukrainians aren't Russian, they aren't brothers, they aren't friends and the longer Russia keeps fighting the more Russians will die and the longer it will take for anyone West of Russia to trust them again.

All because of a shrunken special person with a Napoleon complex who knows how to keep his minions fighting and dying for him, all while the rest of the country is about as crap as the dashcam videos show us.

 

[GlockPants]

Problem is, he claims this fight as his.

I'd argue, he probably believes it's all of NATO's fight to resist Russia's expansion to to other sovereign territories. But in reality, it's not our boots on the ground. Saying it's our fight is spiritual at best, as of now. I don't know if there are any Americans that are willing to, in earnest, fight Russia with our military.

Because he doesn't want it?

But he could. And why shouldn't he retreat?

Its not like he didn't try to build the wall. I not arguing that Ukraine would be happy with his peacekeeping solution. But burning thousands of men without any noticeable income doesn't make any sense anymore.

Oh, there is most certainly a wall. Portions have been built, but I paid for it, not Mexico. Trump promised he'd make Mexico pay for it.

The only way I'd see Trump stopping anything would be an attempt to have "Peace Talks" that ultimately result in nothing substantial being done. Only have to look back to when Trump had summits with North Korea for a reference point.

Besides, I doubt there is a table long enough to make Putin feel safe in a room with Americans and Ukrainians. I'm being facetious, of course, but I'd think negotiations that Trump could set up would still be unlikely to occur.

 

[Liquid]

Trump's "peace talks" would be handing over Kyiv to Moscow immediately. I do not see him doing anything else. He wouldn't personally execute Zelenskij but he wouldn't care too much about Russia doing so.

 

[inCloud]

They're defending their homeland

Not sure, why you quoting me with this. 0 questions to Ukrainian defenders. I don't see any reason to fight if there would be ceasefire agreement that stops everything on current positions.

And why shouldn't he retreat

Because he doesn't want and there isn't anyone with big enough balls to stop him

I'd think negotiations that Trump could set up would still be unlikely to occur

I believe he is narcissistic and irresponsible enough to do whatever needed if Putin refuses to cooperate.

handing over Kyiv to Moscow

Because? Its impossible even if US would cut support entirely, Europe still here

 

[eran0004]

He didn't end it, he did opposite right after Primaries ended.

They have been blocking aid since October.

In overthrowing the government? Don't think so.

Insurrection.

Biden don't want to end conflict, he would prolong it until every Ukrainian and half of Russians are dead. With Biden war would not stop until Putin is president.

He doesn’t want Russia to win. Trump’s “plan” is to let Russia win.

 

[Liquid]

Because? Its impossible even if US would cut support entirely, Europe still here

Already happened with Crimea. Trump won't care, he wishes he was Putin.

 

[GlockPants]

Because he doesn't want and there isn't anyone with big enough balls to stop him

Would be nice if some more Russians did, but we all know how that usually goes.

I believe he is narcissistic and irresponsible enough to do whatever needed if Putin refuses to cooperate.

Trump would not retaliate militarily in any way toward Russia. I'm not sure what else you're insinuating. Trump admires Putin to a degree that makes many of Americans, uncomfortable.

 

[Dennisch]

I don't see any reason to fight if there would be ceasefire agreement that stops everything on current positions.

Let me see if I read this correctly. In your mind Ukraine should give up the land they've lost so far in exchange for a ceasefire?

 

[inCloud]

In your mind Ukraine should give up the land they've lost so far in exchange for a ceasefire

Ukrainian and Western diplomacy should solve this problem. Ukrainian military stuck in positional warfare with more resourceful opponent.

Trump would not retaliate militarily in any way toward Russia.

Because?

Trump admires Putin to a degree that makes many of Americans, uncomfortable.

Thats how diplomacy works. You can't say someone is mad bastard and negotiate with him like nothing happened.

Already happened with Crimea

Isn't Obama said to Ukraine that he would handle that? Not sure why its related to Trump.

They have been blocking aid since October.

And now they don't

He doesn’t want Russia to win. Trump’s “plan” is to let Russia win.

By letting 60 billions of aid to Ukraine?

 

[eran0004]

And now they don't

What do you mean? They voted against the bill.

 

[Dennisch]

Ukrainian and Western diplomacy should solve this problem. Ukrainian military stuck in positional warfare with more resourceful opponent.

And what makes you think that after the negotiations have been completed the Kremlin Shrimp doesn't go for another quick land grab?

Russia needs to **** off out of Ukraine and all it's territories, and if you can't see why you're going in the wrong direction. No one but the Russians and their foreign goons call for an immediate cease-fire because the poor Ukrainians are fighting a losing battle, and then let Russia keep the land they've stolen.

If the world allows that, what do you think China will do next? Or perhaps North Korea? Or anyone in the Middle East?

 

[Joey D]

I don't know if there are any Americans that are willing to, in earnest, fight Russia with our military.

I think the Americans that would are probably too old to actually fight. I'm a child of the Cold War. I was brought up to absolutely hate the Russians, and if this conflict was like 15 years ago, I'd be itching at the chance to go fight the Red Army. But now I'm too fat, too old, and too out of shape to do anything other than armchair general online.

The younger generation that would be of fighting age now grew up in a time where the number one enemy were terrorists from the Middle East and Russia was just some backwater 🤬 hole that produced vodka, porn stars, and AK47s. Russia was never really the enemy for them like it was for the kids of the 50s through the 80s.

 

[inCloud]

They voted against the bill

Who? Mike Johnson?

And what makes you think that after the negotiations have been completed the Kremlin Shrimp doesn't go for another quick land grab

I don't think Trump will be happy with such move after he made the deal.

If the world allows that, what do you think China will do next? Or perhaps North Korea? Or anyone in the Middle East?

Not sure, why Ukrainians and Russians should pay for stability of the world with their lifes. You ready to pay for it with 100.000 Ukrainians and 200.000 Russians?

Russia needs to **** off out of Ukraine and all it's territories

Problem is, there isn't anyone who can make it happen.

 

[Joey D]

Who? Mike Johnson?

Johnson was the one stalling it:

GOP Speaker Johnson says House won't be 'rushed' to approve aid for Ukraine as $95 billion package stalls

Senators overwhelmingly approved the package on a bipartisan vote this week, but it's fate is now uncertain in the House.

www.pbs.org

You keep doing this. If you're going to have a discussion at least have the vaguest understanding of what's going on.

Problem is, there isn't anyone who can make it happen.

Russia has 144 million people, perhaps your own country could do something.

 

[Dennisch]

Not sure, why Ukrainians and Russians should pay for stability of the world with their lifes. You ready to pay for it with 100.000 Ukrainians and 200.000 Russians?

The Ukrainians will fight as long as needed. And I don't give a flying **** about Russians dying in Ukraine. They're the enemy and **** the enemy. Simple as that.

 

[inCloud]

Johnson was the one stalling it:

Yes, but now he is Ukraine best friend.

Russia has 144 million people, perhaps your own country could do something.

It can't.

The Ukrainians will die as long as needed.

FTFY. Who needed? Try to say it aloud. Is it comfortable?

 

[Carbonox]

Not sure, why Ukrainians and Russians should pay for stability of the world with their lifes. You ready to pay for it with 100.000 Ukrainians and 200.000 Russians?

Are you aware of how deep into the Putin camp you're slipping these days?

Personally I don't mind adding a zero or two to the 200,000 casualties if that's what it takes. Your serfs chose to stay blindly loyal to an incoherent "at least we're not Western!" ideology and play war crime bingo with a smile on their faces, so I'd be lying if I pretended any of their useless lives mattered.