Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[Jimlaad43]

I have to say congratulations on America for finally making Brexit not the biggest self-own in the 21st century

 

[Blitz24]

I always found it fascinating how the UK pulled out of the EU and immediately lost all ability to project its will on the greater world scale even though as far as I've been able to tell they didn't really need to follow most (any?) EU rules as a founding member with a seat at the big boy table setting policy. It's such a spectacular self-own that had immediate obvious consequences that the country still AFAIK hasn't even really begun navigating out of all these years later, no matter how many dumbass domestic laws the country passes that claim global jurisdiction.


And yet, despite that, so many in the US have decided that completely destroying its ability to project soft and strong power militarily or diplomatically is somehow going to work out differently for us.
Go ahead, pull out of NATO. Sure, close all the bases outside the US. Recall all the troops overseas and dump them into unemployment lines. Good luck carrying out any actions that require anything beyond lobbing bombs when you have to stage all of your missions out of Pearl Harbor or Guantanamo. Throw a pissy fit and leave the UN like Elon says the US should. Good luck having any say in world affairs vs the ability to push global policy and override any UN Resolution the US doesn't like right now.

Also, it doesn't help them keep Iran in check if they give up their Turkish base.

 

[Fezzik]

No, just one in particular.

I don't know. JD is making a strong case for being a big old number 2.

 

[Eliminatorek]

The US is tired of the forever wars. Many we started unjustly

We absolutly agree on that. But whole discussion is about stopping a war and standing behind the offended independant state instead of making alliance with offender with bertraying all the values and norms which Wester World was deffending since WWII.

The US is no angel but we are going to rectify it slowly by pulling back from the world’s problems just as many countries have been wanting for the last several decades.

We did - especcially when our troops were dying next to US troops in lands which were clearly zones of particulaly and solely US's economical or political influance or interest (Oil, Wapons, or global clash against China Russia or MiddleEast). See Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria for instance.

Now you get to have your wish. It’ll be nice to see Europe stand on their own and take the lead into battle.

It is still not the US troops going to Ukraine being on table - but economical interest (Minerals, Weapons and offsets) and keeping the proper side - stopping the crime not cheering the Criminal and bullying the victim.

 

[Gingerale]

The US invoked article 5 of NATO after they were attacked. Not a single country invited the president, scolded him for not being thankful. And now US is tired of unjustly wars? They started Afghanistan, and Trump ended in a really poor fashion.


Europe should react like Trump is used to. We stop using dollar as petrocurrency. Hell, all EU export paid with euro. We stop sharing any intelligence regarding US safety with them. We invoke tarriffs. We started buying European stuff instead of American.