Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[inCloud]

Money.

You mean corruption?

I thought Russia had it's own 'Riviera' down the Black Sea coast

Because Italy is more prestige.

 

[MatskiMonk]

You mean corruption?

There is no blanket ban of Russian visas across the whole of the EU. Pretty sure the UK is still offering visas to Russians providing they meet all the usual criteria, perhaps Italy is too.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Yes, the west is VERY bribeable (if that's a word)so no problem for rich russians.I feel your anger InCloud, but this side of Europe isn't exempt of corruption.

 

[inCloud]

There is no blanket ban of Russian visas across the whole of the EU.

Her propagandistic bio available at freaking Wikipedia. Any consulate could just say no without comments on why.

 

[Hun200kmh]

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions-against-russia/sanctions-against-russia-explained/

It is very clearly there:

Under "Who is being sanctioned?"

• pro-Kremlin and anti-Ukrainian propagandists

 

[Joey D]

I mean, it's not exactly hard to sneak into a country if you have money. Charter a jet, fly to a neutral country, then fly to Italy, bribe the customs agents, and then go where you want. If the police ask questions, bribe them. Or use a fake name and fake documents. Most people aren't going to know who she is.

Italy is also often considered one of the most corrupt countries in Western Europe.

2023 Corruption Perceptions Index: Explore the results

How does your country measure up in the 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index?

www.transparency.org

 

[Scaff]

Any consulate could just say no without comments on why.

No they can't, because thats not how democracies work. They need a legal reason to deny entry.

 

[inCloud]

They need a legal reason to deny entry.

IDK, if you ever tried to get EU visa, but that's how it works. Formal reasons still here, but they are so wide that anyone could be denied without knowing what actually not right with him.

 

[Scaff]

IDK, if you ever tried to get EU visa, but that's how it works. Formal reasons still here, but they are so wide that anyone could be denied without knowing what actually not right with him.

Yeah, nope, still not how it works.

 

[inCloud]

nope

Wise move to not comment on what you don't know, then

 

[Joey D]

It sure as hell looks like the Italians are still handing out tourist visas to Russians:

Visti per turismo

Gentili Richiedenti, nel 2023 il Consolato Generale d’Italia a Mosca ha trattato 118.000 visti, più di qualsiasi altro consolato presente in Russia. Nei primi 7 mesi del 2024 il numero è aumentato del 36% rispetto allo stesso periodo dello scorso anno. Siamo consapevoli del fatto che, nonostante...

consmosca.esteri.it

 

[Scaff]

Wise move to not comment on what you don't know, then

One would have to be very stupid to think this info is not in the public domain...

Travel & Study

Information on travel and study opportunities in the EU

www.eeas.europa.eu

...good job I'm not one of those people.

I comment on what I know, as I check it before I post it.

Are visas more costly and difficult to get from the EU if you're Russian? Yes, but if you are not on the exclusion list it's still more than possible, and given that blanket refusal without reason can and does lead to legal challenges as the EU's own regulations state that any visa refusal must have a reason cited (Article 32 sections 1 to 3).

 

[MatskiMonk]

It is very clearly there:

Under "Who is being sanctioned?"

If she's not on the list of sanctioned individuals why would someone assume she is to be denied a visa?

Also I suspect the actual definition for this might be a bit more specific. The EU themselves have admitted that dealing with private individuals on the topic of propaganda by legal means, is difficult, as it may encroach on Freedom of Expression laws.

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Also, wouldn't this conversation be ironic if she turned out to not be in Sardegna at a 5 star hotel at all, and this 'information' is simply out there to demonstrate to Russians how weak EU sanctions are?

 

[Sprite]

I have no issue with liars travelling around, I mean geez the UK has plenty of our own out and about the EU etc.

If she is a criminal and broken EU law then. I can see that being a problem, but again our own Tommy Boy was holidaying while his propaganda was causing all sorts of havoc in the UK. We also recently had a trash bag of a human being Katie Price who managed to get into the EU despite wanted in court.

So it’s not hard to get out of the UK into EU so expect it to be even easier for Russians to do the same, especially rich ones who are probably not adverse to a little bribery and the like.

 

[inCloud]

reason cited

Suspicious activity during interview is one of the reasons for refuse, for example.

Also, wouldn't this conversation be ironic if she turned out to not be in Sardegna at a 5 star hotel at all, and this 'information' is simply out there to demonstrate to Russians are weak EU sanctions are?

Doubtful, whole story is brought by oppositional Astra, Potupchick herself didn't tag her location in Instagram, it was leaked through different people account.

 

[Scaff]

Suspicious activity during interview is one of the reasons for refuse, for example.

And?

You claimed that the EU refused visas without giving a reason, I said that wasn't the case and you basically accused me of not knowing what I was talking about.

Now I've clearly shown your claim to be nonsense you're resorting to un-sourced claims that move the goal-posts.

Sit down until you can come up with a coherent line.

 

[inCloud]

You claimed that the EU refused visas without giving a reason, I said that wasn't the case and you basically accused me of not knowing what I was talking about.

Another round of pointless carping? Not interested.

 

[MatskiMonk]

leaked

That's what I'd do if I wanted my propaganda to be taken seriously.

Such is the nature of propaganda.

 

[inCloud]

That's what I'd do if I wanted my propaganda to be taken seriously.

Such is the nature of propaganda.

Too much hassle for what? We already saw Rusich officer casually spending his holidays in Finland, Potupchick weekend at Sardinia isn't anything new. Also, I don't see much attention to this in our media, for obvious reasons (hypocrisy claims).

 

[Scaff]

Another round of pointless carping? Not interested.

You were interested enough to reply, and it's not carping, it's you making yet another unsubstantiated claim and sulking when you get fact checked.

 

[Keef]

 

[inCloud]

Dead woman, multiple injured.

 

[Boston77]

Are Russians getting a taste of what the Ukrainian people (civilians) have been going through for the past 2 plus years?
Oh darn.

And before you go all in, know that I don’t approve of civilians being targeted.
But I have ZERO sympathy for your country.
Can’t take it? Don’t dish it out!

 

[inCloud]

I don’t approve of civilians being targeted.
But

I'm not racist, but... - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lets just hope, that no one would serve dishes for you or your family same way your country did in Iraq, Serbia or Afghanistan. Because there is zero reasons for civilians to taste what their army doing. Every time this happens, its tragedy. Every one who doing this should be in court.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

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Dead woman, multiple injured.

Leave Ukraine alone and I assure these will stop.

 

[inCloud]

Leave Ukraine

Not sure why you posting it here and preaching to the choir, send message directly to the only one who started whole mess and can stop it anytime

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Ukrainians loosing ground in occupied part of Kursk region, but offence of Russians near Pokrovsk also slowdown.

 

[Carbonox]

Not sure why you posting it here and preaching to the choir, send message directly to the only one who started whole mess and can stop it anytime

Made pretty difficult by the fact he's a modern day Luddite who doesn't use the Internet at all while devoutly believing every basic-ass conspiracy theory about it.

 

[inCloud]

Made pretty difficult by the fact he's a modern day Luddite who doesn't use the Internet at all while devoutly believing every basic-ass conspiracy theory about it.

Still makes more sense than saying that to me.

 

[inCloud]

According to Guardian, UK allowed to strike at military objects in conventional RF with StormShadow missiles.

 

[McLaren]

“I think what this looks like is Trump sits down, he says to the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Europeans: You guys need to figure out. What does a peaceful settlement look like? And what it probably looks like is the current line of demarcation between Russia and Ukraine, that becomes like a demilitarized zone,” Vance said Wednesday on “The Shawn Ryan Show.”

The proposed demilitarized zone, Vance added, would be “heavily fortified so the Russians don’t invade again.” As part of the peace plan, Vance said, Ukraine would maintain its independence in exchange for a guarantee of neutrality — meaning Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO or other “allied institutions.”

Vance didn’t specify who would control the “demilitarized zone,” but he said the “current line of demarcation” would remain, meaning Ukraine would not reclaim its territory that Russia now occupies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/12/vance-trump-ukraine-russia-war-plan/

This is not a peace plan. If Ukraine agrees to this, they still lose 20% of their country that Russia occupies & aren't allowed strengthen their bond with any allies whilst Russia rebuilds itself and more than likely starts another offense under the "agreement" Ukraine won't have support. If Ukraine doesn't agree to this, Trump will most certainly stop providing any aid.