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[joetruckv8]

I've or we've put in a lot of work to a wall now. I suggest no tire wear with mandatory pit stops, or switch this series over to Formula 1 racing since there are 16 different colors of FGT's now, and it would be a 1 make spec series all wrapped into 1'

 

[racefan88]

I've or we've put in a lot of work to a wall now. I suggest no tire wear with mandatory pit stops, or switch this series over to Formula 1 racing since there are 16 different colors of FGT's now, and it would be a 1 make spec series all wrapped into 1'

I mean really this should be easy to test, im not sure of you have done the work or not, but the same driver needs to take each car and test it glitched and not glitched, I would do it but as of now I simply don't have the time.

I have done extensive research across 4 series that I run in with the tire glitches. I have noticed no difference in the fall off between any of the cars, it is roughly the same percentage of lap time on (I race different cars in each series) if I drive EXACTLY the same line and style. I am not very versatile with driving style on road courses. However, on ovals I can switch up my style a bit and noticed that I was able to substantially overcome a majority of the glitch fall off on the oval by altering the driving style I was using.

As far as this series goes, it really just seems like every week there is something else that people are complaining about, and its getting quite tiring to see. Either someone test it and prove that something is actually flawed, or really let it go.

 

[joetruckv8]

I mean really this should be easy to test, im not sure of you have done the work or not, but the same driver needs to take each car and test it glitched and not glitched, I would do it but as of now I simply don't have the time.

I have done extensive research across 4 series that I run in with the tire glitches. I have noticed no difference in the fall off between any of the cars, it is roughly the same percentage of lap time on (I race different cars in each series) if I drive EXACTLY the same line and style. I am not very versatile with driving style on road courses. However, on ovals I can switch up my style a bit and noticed that I was able to substantially overcome a majority of the glitch fall off on the oval by altering the driving style I was using.

As far as this series goes, it really just seems like every week there is something else that people are complaining about, and its getting quite tiring to see. Either someone test it and prove that something is actually flawed, or really let it go.

Here, Here! racefan, my thoughts exactly!. Every week there is some sort of complaining about 1 thing or the other and the funny part is we have raced only one Rd and didn't even allow the success ballast to kick in glitch tires are not. All & all the fast guys where at the front & the slow guys were in the back just like usual (GT5). I look at this tire glitch like Bernie Ecc and the pirelli tire situation in Formula 1. Too the best Team whom figures out the tire situation, but I understand if guys don't relate it like this.

I've been talking to Tyson off-line about the fact that muilti car racing always leaves open the fact its the cars and not the drivers or tires for this matter so at this point I would be much happier running a 1 make spec series tbh, but with tuning. We are pass kindergarten here. I've worked up the ranks from BTCC cars to GT300's to GT500's. So at this point the next step is prototypes (which are multi chassis again so no thanks), or FGT's. Atleast with the FGT's they have 16 colors, and they are 1 make so that will hopefully kill all this its the car not the driver debating.

 

[racefan88]

Here, Here! racefan, my thoughts exactly!. Every week there is some sort of complaining about 1 thing or the other and the funny part is we have raced only one Rd and didn't even allow the success ballast to kick in glitch tires are not. All & all the fast guys where at the front & the slow guys were in the back just like usual (GT5). I look at this tire glitch like Bernie Ecc and the pirelli tire situation in Formula 1. Too the best Team whom figures out the tire situation, but I understand if guys don't relate it like this.

I've been talking to Tyson off-line about the fact that muilti car racing always leaves open the fact its the cars and not the drivers or tires for this matter so at this point I would be much happier running a 1 make spec series tbh, but with tuning. We are pass kindergarten here. I've worked up the ranks from BTCC cars to GT300's to GT500's. So at this point the next step is prototypes (which are multi chassis again so no thanks), or FGT's. Atleast with the FGT's they have 16 colors, and they are 1 make so that will hopefully kill all this its the car not the driver debating.

Maybe after brands hatch I would have time to run this testing, I could just run each car stock on brands and take a night, if you and maybe one or two other guys want to join. With the goal being not to reg anything but just purely test if the amount of fall off in seconds from car to car is the same? Run each car in its stock from as per reg and just check lap times. Just to kind of end this discussion.

 

[ozwheels]

This tire glitch issue is getting to a point where it's pulling things apart. I will do the testing tomorrow morning with all 3 cars on Brands Hatch and post my best times here with soft and medium tires, glitched and normal. I will be using my tunes not stock because we don't race stock tunes and the HSV is the fastest stock. My tunes are fast and perfect for me and how I drive. I will post the Lexus and HSV tune here if anyone wants them to try. Hopefully we can put an end to the debate with some data.

 

[joetruckv8]

Sooo we are racing tomorrow right?

 

[SkengD]

Ill show up

It could be your tunes are not good with the glitches oz

I did notice everyone at grand valley had worse tire wear than i did , so thats driving style imo

Lets see how brands turns out , i predict lots of spins

My data from brands will be skewed running at 1180 kg , so will yours oz with your ballast so we will have to look at other drivers

 

[BAZZER]

I did some running lastnight and my times are near enough identical with all 3 cars, I just ran out of time to test with pitted tyres.

 

[racefan88]

I'll be there!

 

[FakeGangstaDIE]

I'll be there too! F a tire glitch!

 

[ozwheels]

My times are not identical so far and there is a clear trend. I'm running the cars at stock reg weight Skeng and I'm not making a setup to work on glitch tires that's not the point. The point is how much time does each car loose from a fast normal tire lap to a glitch lap. As far as tire wear the GTR will always have the worst and HSV will have best. The GTR has the most natural understeer so the front tires work harder.

 

[ZachAK47]

As requested tonight we will be in Joes room to see if there's less lag

 

[ozwheels]

First off the Lexus is the fastest by a good amount and the easiest to push to the limit. The HSV just lacks too much straight line speed to do 16's. However all 3 cars have the same issues on glitched tires. They have power understeer, lift off understeer, and oversteer while braking. The rear tires wear faster than normal and the overall tire wear is increased as well. The HSV has the best tire wear on normal and glitched tires and the GTR has the worst on normal and glitched tires. The GTR is affected the most by power understeer and the Lexus is dramatically affected by oversteer while braking. The HSV is also affected by all of this but it is not as noticable.

The data, time on left is normal tires and time on the right is glitched tires. The gap is from normal time to glitched time. If anyone has a problem with these times and thinks there fake please say so and I will post set-up. (Except GTR, I will show people those times if needed)

GTR Softs 1:16.9 1:19.2 +2.3
Mediums 1:18.5 1:20.8 +2.3

HSV Softs 1:17.5 1:19.2 +1.7
Mediums 1:18.6 1:20.3 +1.7

Lexus Softs 1:16.7 18.8 +2.1
Mediums 1:17.7 1:19.7 +2.0

Another point is that if your not pushing these cars to the absolute limit of the cars potential (not your driving potential, there's a difference, I'm not trying to be mean but it's the truth) you won't notice the issues I described as much. These lap times are almost perfect laps and I'm confident that there's only a couple tenths at the most still our there.

 

[SkengD]

Good test results

 

[joetruckv8]

Yay,! moving forward now! I'll get to getter the ballast and such for tonight's Rd2 premiere. Tyson & I will be there too' 👍

Kinda of upset were not going to race FGT's tho, :kickingrocks:

 

[Willfred_1]

Yay,! moving forward now! I'll get to getter the ballast and such for tonight's Rd2 premiere. Tyson & I will be there too' 👍

Kinda of upset were not going to race FGT's tho, :kickingrocks:

There is plenty of other f1 series to race in

 

[timeee11]

First off the Lexus is the fastest by a good amount and the easiest to push to the limit. The HSV just lacks too much straight line speed to do 16's. However all 3 cars have the same issues on glitched tires. They have power understeer, lift off understeer, and oversteer while braking. The rear tires wear faster than normal and the overall tire wear is increased as well. The HSV has the best tire wear on normal and glitched tires and the GTR has the worst on normal and glitched tires. The GTR is affected the most by power understeer and the Lexus is dramatically affected by oversteer while braking. The HSV is also affected by all of this but it is not as noticable.

The data, time on left is normal tires and time on the right is glitched tires. The gap is from normal time to glitched time. If anyone has a problem with these times and thinks there fake please say so and I will post set-up. (Except GTR, I will show people those times if needed)

GTR Softs 1:16.9 1:19.2 +2.3
Mediums 1:18.5 1:20.8 +2.3

HSV Softs 1:17.5 1:19.2 +1.7
Mediums 1:18.6 1:20.3 +1.7

Lexus Softs 1:16.7 18.8 +2.1
Mediums 1:17.7 1:19.7 +2.0

Another point is that if your not pushing these cars to the absolute limit of the cars potential (not your driving potential, there's a difference, I'm not trying to be mean but it's the truth) you won't notice the issues I described as much. These lap times are almost perfect laps and I'm confident that there's only a couple tenths at the most still our there.

I don't get what the issue is. GTR is 6/10's quicker and lexus 8/10 quicker on normal soft tires and same on glitched and the HSV has the advantage how? If anything the HSV weight penalty should be dropped (the 6-8/10's lap time difference) as that is what is unfair if what you have posted is accurate.

 

[ozwheels]

The problem is the gap between normal and glitched tires. Usually 2/3rds of the race is on glitched tires which is where the HSV is less affected by the glitch than the other cars. The GTR is faster than the HSV on normal mediums yet the GTR is half a second slower on glitched mediums. One car shouldn't be faster on normal tires yet slower on glitch tires. The Lexus is too fast on every set of tires so I wouldn't even look at its times honestly.

 

[joetruckv8]

I don't get what the issue is. GTR is 6/10's quicker and lexus 8/10 quicker on normal soft tires and same on glitched and the HSV has the advantage how? If anything the HSV weight penalty should be dropped (the 6-8/10's lap time difference) as that is what is unfair if what you have posted is accurate.

Yea I agree but stocked out the HSV against the others is the most drivable not to be mistaking for faster, but more driver friendly then the other chassis. I found the GTR to need more work to get it around certain apex's compared to the HSV.

I'm just waiting for the success ballast to kick in and then the gloves are off. We'll know whats, what with the chassis bout time this season is over'
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[joetruckv8]

Official Rd2 Grid Results
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1.SkengD - 30p (1180kg)
2.Ozwheels - 28p (1130kg)
3.Jross - 23p (1120kg)
4.TnT-2000 - 20p (1150kg)
5.Timeee - 18p
6.JoeTruck - 16p
7.ZachAK47 - 14p
8.Bazzer - 12p
9.Gheak - 10p
10.Racefan - 8p
11.FreshSeth - 6p
12. CamNJ - 5p
12. Calum - 5p
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[joetruckv8]

Tyson wont be joining us, he cant get home in time his is his formal notice,.

 

[ZachAK47]

Room won't show.

Make sure it's a public lobby not a private lounge.

 

[ozwheels]

The op says 24 for second unless it's wrong.

 

[joetruckv8]

The op says 24 for second unless it's wrong.

All the gtp timers are out of commission now, that website went offline. I'll delete the residual clocks that are left.

 

[ZachAK47]

Anyone got a room number they'd care to share?

 

[joetruckv8]

Yea me, lol!
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Shows no Rm #, where do I find it at?

 

[ozwheels]

All the gtp timers are out of commission now, that website went offline. I'll delete the residual clocks that are left.

I meant 24 points for second place instead of the 26 I got.

 

[ozwheels]

Yea me, lol!
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Shows no Rm #, where do I find it at?

Bottom right corner

 

[trustjab]

Race at 3 or 4 pacific?

 

[joetruckv8]

I meant 24 points for second place instead of the 26 I got.

I see now, I made that same mistake when I added the points up and Zach notified me that I had it wrong. The v1 points are the ones written on the op font side but the updated v2 points are the ones in the spreed-sheet box. I updated the font part of the op so now you have 26pts for 2nd place plus 2 pts for fast lap & Pole position which = 26pts overall. 👍