Satanism, and you.

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To heed Pako's request, and prevent any more off-topicness about Satanism in the C. Vs. E. thread, I've created this one. This is not meant to convert, or preach to anyone, just get some things out in the air and clear up some misconceptions.



Pako
PS,

Perhaps you should start your own thread or get to point in how this relates to the topic of this thread.

If you believe in Satan, than you also believe in God and you also know that God cast down Satan. You also know that Satan was one of God's angels, so unlike most depictions of Satan, one can only guess that he is more pleasing to look at than what one might gather from other sources.

Satanism is a self loathing and self gratifying religion with "I" being at the heart of everything. There is no personal sacrifice for another. There is no "agapay" love for another human. You look out for #1 and destroy your enemies. You can help your friends and family, but only after your own selfish needs have been meet.

But again, I don't see how this relevant to our discussion.



Pako, I don't mean to demean or disrespect your religion, but that's not what "Satan" means. Before Christianity swept its hand across the world, the word "satan" was a referrence to one's self, meaning...you.

When Christianity was in its' beginning, it used satan as a disconnected way to tell you not to submit, or be fooled by him. Yourself. Its' intentions were fine: be strong, and be overcome by lust, etc. But it started taking on a whole new emaning, and eventually a whole other entity. Satan was now the name of an evil person and that's what it's recognised as today.


Satanism, in terms of the Satanic Church, is about yourself. You follow noone but your own goals and your own desires. Much of it is moral, believe it or not, and it's more of a "new" and more "practical" Christianity. And it's not as selfish as you make it out to be.
 
Just saw "Constantine" on DVD. (Lots of fun, and Keanu Reeves was actually pretty good in it.)

Right at the end, Satan himself ("Hi, Lu.") shows up. He was hilarious. The bit with the cigarette lighter had me laughing so hard I had a coughing fit. What a royal prick.

If there is a Satan, I'm sure that's what he's like...
 
Me
Well, I'm not a Satanist, technically. I'm Satanic, though, for sure.

Oh, and I'm from Guelph, Ontario, Canada. It's ok for speaking for me, it got the point across and it was close enough. It can become pretty evident sometimes.

I don't think there is a god, or any form of higher being or deity. I don't "worship" anyone, or dedicate my life to anything (yet--although, I'm going to Bondurrant in 2 years). I'm pretty much a staunch atheist that happens to have very similar views to those of the Satanic Church.


It's funny though, how people hear a word and suddenly they think they know everything about it.

Well, now that that's out in the open...
 
I like some ideas but not all about satanism but do you have any sources for how you claim satanism and christianity has been involved with each other? As you put it here it is the same as whatever religious propaganda, "it's like this, period."

What I like about satanism is the emphasis on your own responsibility for your life. Could you please post a link or something that shows what satanism is all about since I haven gripped it all, as it is now I think there's parts of it I don't like like the lack of humanity, it's all about your ego. (if it now is that way)

You say it's not as selfish at it may seem , but show me, what is it?
 
I created a religion like that onece under the term Selfism.

Selfism is fundimentaly a DIY religion with infinite branches, the basic idea is to create your own branch and comandments based around yourself.

ie, you can create a branch of selfism called Mikeism where the main commandment is "Thou must sleep with a blond on the second day of each month or thou shalt be smited by the hand of the evil mega-cat master of all space and time.

This rather unusual lack of principles has caused many to question the morals of Selfism so to all those would-be selfists I point to the first of the two universal commandments, "Thou shalt obey the laws of the country that thou resides in (or the nearest civil country) or thou shalt be hit over the head with the new, EVEN LONGER Argos catalouge"

For anyone interested the second commandment is "thou shalt not copy, word-for-word, any existing religion, or thou shalt be guilty of plagerism and be forced to pay a hefty fine!!!"
 
PS
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Satanism, in terms of the Satanic Church, is about yourself. You follow noone but your own goals and your own desires. Much of it is moral, believe it or not, and it's more of a "new" and more "practical" Christianity. And it's not as selfish as you make it out to be.



My interpretation of Satanism is totally different then, I guess. Everything I have read about Satanism, including the Satanic bible, and other internet resources, shows me exactly what Satanism is. I don't have to make it out to be anything, Satanism speaks for itself, it is a very selfish religion. It is centered around self, and it feeds and satisfies selfish needs and desires.

Please tell me how I'm wrong here. Here's some tidbits that will help tell you why Lucifer's name changed to Satan, and the meaning of the word Satan.

II Corinthians 2:11 says "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."

Before we discuss some of the devices of Satan, we first need to know who he is. The name "Satan" comes from a Hebrew word signifying an adversary, an enemy, and an accuser. In God's Word, we discover that Satan is God's enemy and is against all for which God stands. He is the archenemy of good.

Surprising as it may seem to some, Satan was not always evil. In the beginning, he was an angel created in perfection and beauty. Angels were given a will with a free moral choice, and "Lucifer" (Satan's name before he was cast out of heaven) chose to do evil and rebelled against God. He was cast out of heaven to the earth because of his sin. His present domain is limited to the earth and hell.

Isaiah 14:12-15, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

Satan's sins were pride and covetousness. He desired God's throne and set his will against God's will. Five times he said, "I will" in this portion of Scripture.

This is still man's sin today: the refusal to do God's will, with the same attitude of "I will." Satan chose to rebel and it brought him down to hell. Men are making the same choice today and those who rebel will ultimately go down to the pit (hell) with the devil.

Lucifer had been gifted with beauty and had walked upon the holy mountain of God. But even with all this, he was not content with his position and by trying to usurp God's authority, sin entered into him when he attempted to overthrow God's kingdom.

Ezekiel 28:12-19, "...Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

From these verses, we see that God did not create Lucifer evil, but made him perfect. By Satan's own choice, he became evil and was cast out of heaven.

SATAN CAST OUT OF HEAVEN

The Lord never meant for evil to exist. It was simply the opposite of good, and since it takes a free will for evil to come into existence, Lucifer was the first created being to exercise his will against God. Since that time, others have followed. Satan caused a third of heaven to fall with him by influencing other angelic beings to make war against God (Revelation 12:4a). They too were cast out of heaven. They have since become evil spirits due to their choice. They now roam the earth, with Satan as their leader and master. These invisible supernatural beings still have power, but it is directed toward evil works of darkness. Satan is still ruling in the earth today, not only over the evil spirits, but also over evil men who choose the same path of rebellion against God. He is the dark prince of this world. We can see a glimpse of his evil wisdom, strength, glitter, and his inevitable end by reading the previous passages. We must remember that he has only limited power, but nevertheless he does have power, and those who do not know him and his devices inevitably become his victims.

JESUS DEFEATS SATAN

Those who are "born again" and filled with the Spirit of God have no need to fear this evil foe as he has been defeated by our God. Jesus defeated him and stripped him of his power two thousand years ago. Jesus paid the price of our sins on the cross and then rose from the dead bringing life to all who would follow Him. Satan's authority has been taken away from him. We now have authority over him through Jesus Christ. "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" (Revelation 1:18).

Revelation 12 records the account of Satan's overthrow by Christ. We are first given a vision of what takes place in heaven, then the Bible reveals the earthly scene:

Revelation 12:7-12, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Jesus teaches to help others, to make personal sacrifices for the good of others out of love.

Satanism teaches just the opposite.
 
PS
Interesting...seems I agree with most of the views presented on that site. But, I don't think I'd like to classify myself as an anything.

Very eye opening, but I wonder how many self-proclaimed "satanists" actually follow those beliefs? I know that goths and satanists are not the same thing, but goths seem to ascribe to satanism but seem to deprive themselves of a lot of pleasure at the same time. Specifically refferring to these:
From the site
I Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!

II Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

III Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
 
Pako
My interpretation of Satanism is totally different then, I guess. Everything I have read about Satanism, including the Satanic bible, and other internet resources, shows me exactly what Satanism is. I don't have to make it out to be anything, Satanism speaks for itself, it is a very selfish religion. It is centered around self, and it feeds and satisfies selfish needs and desires.

Please tell me how I'm wrong here. Here's some tidbits that will help tell you why Lucifer's name changed to Satan, and the meaning of the word Satan.



Jesus teaches to help others, to make personal sacrifices for the good of others out of love.

Satanism teaches just the opposite.


Pako, that was taken from a Christian, or new(er) information site. It doesn't go back to when the word was first used. Most dictionaries don't even acknowledge it. If you type in "pumpernickel" you're going to find "Bread", not "demonic fart"—which is what the literal word of "pumpernickel" means. Same thing with satan.
 
Swift
You don't acknowledge any god except yourself. Don't say I'm just turning my back on you because you're proposing something different. I'm turning my back on you because your track record shows that your ideals really aren't founded in ANYTHING.

Why should they be founded in anything? Why should I worship anyone? What makes me think I should subject myself to someone else's rules? I am my own person, I control myself, no hypocritical fictitious dictator will ever place my beliefs in something.

Swift, you've been given the chance to find out what I believed in by PM'ing me, and you have forgone that opportunity, you have no reason to say what you just said, and frankly, I'm not sure why I should keep listening to you.


By the way, I'm not a Satanist.
 
PS
Why should they be founded in anything?

For one very simple reason, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

For a second, a very quick second, I thought you might have come down just a bit to where we could meet in the middle and just be civil. I see that's not possible.

You noticed how I have not insulted or degraded your belief system or tried to site where people in history used it to do evil works?

And I'm still wondering why in your own thread you're not willing to make your personal convictions public. If you feel so strongly about them, why not tell others? Not force them into anything, but let them know how you feel?
 
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Now everyone,avert your fire!
 
Swift
For one very simple reason, if you stand for nothing, you fall for anything.

For a second, a very quick second, I thought you might have come down just a bit to where we could meet in the middle and just be civil. I see that's not possible.

You noticed how I have not insulted or degraded your belief system or tried to site where people in history used it to do evil works?

And I'm still wondering why in your own thread you're not willing to make your personal convictions public. If you feel so strongly about them, why not tell others? Not force them into anything, but let them know how you feel?


Why should I tell someone something if they never asked to hear it?

By the way, the Church of Satan has only been around since the late '60's. I don't see what evil works it might have orchestrated.
 
PS
Pako, that was taken from a Christian, or new(er) information site. It doesn't go back to when the word was first used. Most dictionaries don't even acknowledge it. If you type in "pumpernickel" you're going to find "Bread", not "demonic fart"—which is what the literal word of "pumpernickel" means. Same thing with satan.

Did you even read the first sentence?

Here it is again, in case you missed it:
Before we discuss some of the devices of Satan, we first need to know who he is. The name "Satan" comes from a Hebrew word signifying an adversary, an enemy, and an accuser. In God's Word, we discover that Satan is God's enemy and is against all for which God stands. He is the archenemy of good.
This is also interesting:
LOUD-MOUTH (Lev. 19:16).

The verse for today shows that even back in Moses' day, God's people needed to guard their mouths. The word translated "talebearer" here comes from a Hebrew word that means "to go about" as a slanderer, a gossiper, or even a traitor.

What's fascinating is that this word appears (in a slightly different form) in Ezekiel 28:5, when—using an earthly potentate as a symbol of Satan—the Lord says: "By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: Therefore thus saith the Lord God; because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God . . . "(Ezek. 28:5, 6). The word traffick there comes from the same root word translated "tale-bearer" in Leviticus 19:16. Without pushing the link too far, it's not hard to see that slander, gossip, and talebearing are all attributes of Satan, unquestionably the greatest slanderer, liar, and talebearer in all creation.
 
Pako
Did you even read the first sentence?

Here it is again, in case you missed it:

This is also interesting:

"In God's Word,"

Not in "mans word that invented it".
 
PS
Why should I tell someone something if they never asked to hear it?

By the way, the Church of Satan has only been around since the late '60's. I don't see what evil works it might have orchestrated.

I believe Jehovah's Witnesses were formed in the early 1900's, I believe around 1912 but not completely sure.
 
Pako
I believe Jehovah's Witnesses were formed in the early 1900's, I believe around 1912 but not completely sure.

...huh?

I don't like Jehova's witnesses knocking on my door, would they like a Satanist knocking on theirs?
 
Flame-returns
Are you two the same person?

Jeff's a friend of mine that moved into the boonies. Somewhere near a mini-put/driving range. Bastard. I have no idea where he is now, really.
 
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