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[Cano]

Please dont ever listen to Slahsfan regarding wheels, they suck and are downright cheap-looking. Those are the classic cheap wheel peopleuse when they can't find the stock ones when they restore a car, or can't afford them or whatever. And on top of that they're freaking ugly.

You need these:

as in:

or if you want to drop some money on wheels, call Year One...

 

[savage388]

Please dont ever listen to Slahsfan regarding wheels, they suck and are downright cheap-looking. Those are the classic cheap wheel peopleuse when they can't find the stock ones when they restore a car, or can't afford them or whatever. And on top of that they're freaking ugly.

You need these:

as in:

or if you want to drop some money on wheels, call Year One...

Well I'm pretty set on gta wheels or those 17 snowflake replicas but those are a long way off. I don't like chrome wheels they look off on these cars. Although I do like c5 vette wheels quite a bit.

 

[Slash]

Cmon they're not that bad.

 

[savage388]

Cmon they're not that bad.

Ehh I gotta admit there pretty bad The offset is just so far off.

 

[Slash]

Ehh I gotta admit there pretty bad The offset is just so far off.

Maybe on you're car they'd be wierd. My next door neighbor had rims like that but the front rim didn't have so much offset. Pair that with a hood scoop, 455 and side pipes and you've got his car.

 

[savage388]

Bad news, after getting the ignition switch done and driving it for an entire day the starter decided to shear all the teeth off my flywheel so I'm pretty sure I'm screwed. The 383/400 was never meant to bolt up to my T5 which is what I think caused it now i have to either get a custom flywheel or replace it with a stock one and hope it holds out for a while...either way the trans has to come out now.

 

[Slash]

Bad news, after getting the ignition switch done and driving it for an entire day the starter decided to shear all the teeth off my flywheel so I'm pretty sure I'm screwed. The 383/400 was never meant to bolt up to my T5 which is what I think caused it now i have to either get a custom flywheel or replace it with a stock one and hope it holds out for a while...either way the trans has to come out now.

I've had this happen with my truck before, except it was caused from incorrect timing. I've seen 383's bolt up to T5's no problem so whoever did it either didn't bolt it up right or you had a starter that had bad teeth to begin with.

A custom flywheel could be an option but it would get mad expensive, and fast. Which version of the T5 do you have? Are you POSITIVE that your timing isn't off, even a tiny little? That little bit will send the starter grinding away and you'll lose both and you will definitely know it when your starter sounds like it's spinning freely. I'll see if I can upload a sound sample of what mine sounded like so you can see if it's similar.

If what you state is the case, whoeever swapped it in may actually have the wrong bellhousing on it. Common mistake.


If in fact the wrong bellhousing is on it, you will have a big problem lol. When I changed my flexplate (flywheel for automatics) I just dropped the driveshaft, lowered the tranny onto a jackstand and stuck a new one in. Put it all back together, set the timing and was good to go. But that was a 4 hour project right there...Then again a C6 is a LARGE transmission lol

 

[savage388]

I've had this happen with my truck before, except it was caused from incorrect timing. I've seen 383's bolt up to T5's no problem so whoever did it either didn't bolt it up right or you had a starter that had bad teeth to begin with.

A custom flywheel could be an option but it would get mad expensive, and fast. Which version of the T5 do you have? Are you POSITIVE that your timing isn't off, even a tiny little? That little bit will send the starter grinding away and you'll lose both and you will definitely know it when your starter sounds like it's spinning freely. I'll see if I can upload a sound sample of what mine sounded like so you can see if it's similar.

If what you state is the case, whoeever swapped it in may actually have the wrong bellhousing on it. Common mistake.


If in fact the wrong bellhousing is on it, you will have a big problem lol. When I changed my flexplate (flywheel for automatics) I just dropped the driveshaft, lowered the tranny onto a jackstand and stuck a new one in. Put it all back together, set the timing and was good to go. But that was a 4 hour project right there...Then again a C6 is a LARGE transmission lol

Well from what I can tell the timing seems good, it pulls hard and doesnt stumble, doesnt back fire or anything, but there's always the possibility. The bellhousing has to be right because there is only one option for the Non world class F-body T5 that is in there. A custom flywheel is gonna run about $400 so yea I'm really looking into everything before I go that route, and I don't have $400 to spend so I have some time to think and decide while I get some money built up. Jacking the car up is a whole problem in itself because it sits too low to get a jack under the front k-member Ill need to get another jack for that.

 

[Slash]

Well from what I can tell the timing seems good, it pulls hard and doesnt stumble, doesnt back fire or anything, but there's always the possibility. The bellhousing has to be right because there is only one option for the Non world class F-body T5 that is in there. A custom flywheel is gonna run about $400 so yea I'm really looking into everything before I go that route, and I don't have $400 to spend so I have some time to think and decide while I get some money built up. Jacking the car up is a whole problem in itself because it sits too low to get a jack under the front k-member Ill need to get another jack for that.

Some times it can seem fine but if it's off even 1 click it will **** everything up. I'd just check to make sure, to be on the same side. I know it requires pulling everything off the front of the motor but you don't want to be doing this again in a months time. Trust me on that one.

Do you have ramps? I'd set up 2, put a block behind the tire then stick a jack up under and put up some jack stands to be safe. Then you can pull out the jack itself and the ramps and have a lot of room to work with. You might bottom out a little going up but it won't damage the car at all.

It seems weird to me after actually seeing a 383 bolted up and working fine to a T5 that you're having an issue. If you have the correct bellhousing then chances are 99% the time the timing is off. You might not notice anything wrong while it's running but if its off at all you'll end up with the problem you are describing here.

Another thing you might want to check for is a cylinder misfire. The cylinder not firing can cause the others to pullsate harder and warp the flywheel which can cause teeth to rip both the starter and flywheel. Problem is the damage is already done. Normally all you would have to do is pull a few wires off the distributor cap and see if it gets quieter or completely stalls out. After the 3rd one in sequential order (ex cylinder 4 and 8 on the cap are next to each other, at least on Fords) and it only stays quiet, you could have a misfire and have a bad crank leading to the warpage of the flywheel and your issues. If it dies then you should be ok.

If the damage wasn't already done testing for this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm pretty certain the timing is off. Because when I got our truck running it ran fine but starting it up was HELL. Everything has to be PERFECT.

EDIT:

Uploading sound sample. It won't be the same as to what you are describing but it should be similar. This is the product of bad timing.

EDIT:

Waiting on the Ok to post it since it's on a file sharing site and YouTube is being dumb. 👎

 

[savage388]

Some times it can seem fine but if it's off even 1 click it will **** everything up. I'd just check to make sure, to be on the same side. I know it requires pulling everything off the front of the motor but you don't want to be doing this again in a months time. Trust me on that one.

Do you have ramps? I'd set up 2, put a block behind the tire then stick a jack up under and put up some jack stands to be safe. Then you can pull out the jack itself and the ramps and have a lot of room to work with. You might bottom out a little going up but it won't damage the car at all.

It seems weird to me after actually seeing a 383 bolted up and working fine to a T5 that you're having an issue. If you have the correct bellhousing then chances are 99% the time the timing is off. You might not notice anything wrong while it's running but if its off at all you'll end up with the problem you are describing here.

Another thing you might want to check for is a cylinder misfire. The cylinder not firing can cause the others to pullsate harder and warp the flywheel which can cause teeth to rip both the starter and flywheel. Problem is the damage is already done. Normally all you would have to do is pull a few wires off the distributor cap and see if it gets quieter or completely stalls out. After the 3rd one in sequential order (ex cylinder 4 and 8 on the cap are next to each other, at least on Fords) and it only stays quiet, you could have a misfire and have a bad crank leading to the warpage of the flywheel and your issues. If it dies then you should be ok.

If the damage wasn't already done testing for this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm pretty certain the timing is off. Because when I got our truck running it ran fine but starting it up was HELL. Everything has to be PERFECT.

EDIT:

Uploading sound sample. It won't be the same as to what you are describing but it should be similar. This is the product of bad timing.

EDIT:

Waiting on the Ok to post it since it's on a file sharing site and YouTube is being dumb. 👎

Well the starter is not lining up with the flywheel I know for a fact, and checking the timing isnt an option because the car wont start and once again its very healthy although I want to check the timing when i get it running again.

 

[Slash]

Well the starter is not lining up with the flywheel I know for a fact, and checking the timing isnt an option because the car wont start and once again its very healthy although I want to check the timing when i get it running again.

I'd check the timing before you put it all back together because if that is the case you run a high risk of wrecking all the new parts on the first startup. All you need to do is make sure it's on the right click, since it's an older engine it should have a dual chain system instead of a belt which is easier to set. Sounds to me like you have a warped flywheel, or the bellhousing is too large and it's causing the starter to be short of the flywheel and not being able to make a good, solid connection between the 2.

If the timing does end up being the cause, you may want to figure out what sent it off in the first place. Could be something as simple as stretched steel if it runs a dual chain. Like I said, I'm pretty confident this is the cause, simply because I've seen 383's bolt up to T5's no problem in person, without any kind of adapters.

If you end up having a warped flywheel, since all the teeth aren't meshing together and it starts after a few cranks, all you may have to do is replace it with the one it already has. It only takes a few degrees to mess eveything up on that too.

And if that is the case you may want to figure out how that happen. Could have been from a misfire....and that goes back to bad timing. Misfires can be difficult to detect at times.

 

[savage388]

I'd check the timing before you put it all back together because if that is the case you run a high risk of wrecking all the new parts on the first startup. All you need to do is make sure it's on the right click, since it's an older engine it should have a dual chain system instead of a belt which is easier to set. Sounds to me like you have a warped flywheel, or the bellhousing is too large and it's causing the starter to be short of the flywheel and not being able to make a good, solid connection between the 2.

If the timing does end up being the cause, you may want to figure out what sent it off in the first place. Could be something as simple as stretched steel if it runs a dual chain. Like I said, I'm pretty confident this is the cause, simply because I've seen 383's bolt up to T5's no problem in person, without any kind of adapters.

If you end up having a warped flywheel, since all the teeth aren't meshing together and it starts after a few cranks, all you may have to do is replace it with the one it already has. It only takes a few degrees to mess eveything up on that too.

And if that is the case you may want to figure out how that happen. Could have been from a misfire....and that goes back to bad timing. Misfires can be difficult to detect at times.

Well the problem with the T5 and the 383 on fbodies is that you can only use a 153 tooth flywheel because of the size of the bellhousing that'll fit under there. Of course it is a double roller timing chain this isnt japanese
There are quite a few things that could've happened because after all this is a 383 with a stock drivetrain biult for a 305.

 

[Slash]

Might not have been regeared to handle the extra torque. Hmm. I know mines a 157 since it's a pre-1981 engine...after that they are 164. That T5 should take 450 horse no prob with a 15% powerloss in consideration

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It's probably starter alignment, not a timing issue.

Edit: Slashfan, T5s break behind stock 5.0 HOs. Often. Saying it'll handle 450hp... Can I have some of what you're on?

 

[Slash]

It's probably starter alignment, not a timing issue.

Edit: Slashfan, T5s break behind stock 5.0 HOs. Often. Saying it'll handle 450hp... Can I have some of what you're on?

Maybe I'm thinking when they are beefed up. I've seen a LOT of T5s at the strip with strokers on them. If thats the case please explain to me why they are so popular.

Starter alignment could be the issue but will it cause the flywheel to warp?

 

[savage388]

Maybe I'm thinking when they are beefed up. I've seen a LOT of T5s at the strip with strokers on them. If thats the case please explain to me why they are so popular.

Starter alignment could be the issue but will it cause the flywheel to warp?

You are right that T5's are popular, in fords.But RJ is right that they basically suck. Gm designed their case much different and it was not as rigid as the ones used in the fox bodies so not only is it weak but their is no potential for upgrades because the case warps and will ruin any gears that you put in it.
And regarding your flywheels those are also ford sizes.
I dont believe the flywheel is warped as I'm pretty sure that I'd feel it in the clutch.

 

[Slash]

Yeah I was refering to the sizes I used as a reference. So flywheel warpage has been ruled out.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

T5s are popular because they cost approximately 50 cents to replace, not that they're any good.

 

[savage388]

Yeah I was refering to the sizes I used as a reference. So flywheel warpage has been ruled out.

Well not completely but it doesn't really matter because its all coming out anyway. The starters on sbc's have a tendency to come loose occasionally and a high torque racing starter I don't think helps the matter.
Edit: not anymore RJ, thirdgen people break them so often there aren't that many around anymore and usually when they break everything is pretty scattered. If only the mustang case worked, those are everywhere.

 

[Slash]

T5s are popular because they cost approximately 50 cents to replace, not that they're any good.

They are cheap but I've always seen relatively decent performance out of them.

Well not completely but it doesn't really matter because its all coming out anyway. The starters on sbc's have a tendency to come loose occasionally and a high torque racing starter I don't think helps the matter.

Was it shimmed? I know thats common on GM products.

 

[savage388]

They are cheap but I've always seen relatively decent performance out of them.



Was it shimmed? I know thats common on GM products.

I don't think it was shimmed but the giant piece of billet aluminum used as a the mounting plate for the starter made it hard to tell, it distracted me because I've never seen that one before.

 

[Slash]

I've seen it but very rarely. Last time I saw it was last September after helping a friend pull a motor for a new 350. It's not common cause it doesn't hold well/last long.

 

[savage388]

I've seen it but very rarely. Last time I saw it was last September after helping a friend pull a motor for a new 350. It's not common cause it doesn't hold well/last long.

No the piece is part of the starter and for what they cost it better last forever because it is ridiculous to pay 120 dollars or more for a starter although it does look nice. I'm going to assume the starter has some kind of shim because it is a race unit made for various applications and not just my trans am like a factory one.

 

[Slash]

No the piece is part of the starter and for what they cost it better last forever because it is ridiculous to pay 120 dollars or more for a starter although it does look nice. I'm going to assume the starter has some kind of shim because it is a race unit made for various applications and not just my trans am like a factory one.

I know what it is I just don't see it often around my area. That shim might not have had the correct offset which could have led to this like RJ was saying, if in fact, it was shimmed. I'm not saying that's the cause though. Do you know if the clutch was ever burnt out? I would think that if a guy can build a 383 he'd know how to hook up a starter correctly Does the clutch ever slip, from your experience driving it?


EDIT:

Here's the sound for anyone wanting to hear what a starter sounds like when it grinds. (I have permission by 2 mods)

http://www.mediafire.com/?2heynk6ukr1fbyn

 

[savage388]

I know what it is I just don't see it often around my area. That shim might not have had the correct offset which could have led to this like RJ was saying, if in fact, it was shimmed. I'm not saying that's the cause though. Do you know if the clutch was ever burnt out? I would think that if a guy can build a 383 he'd know how to hook up a starter correctly Does the clutch ever slip, from your experience driving it?

EDIT:

Here's the sound for anyone wanting to hear what a starter sounds like when it grinds. (I have permission by 2 mods)

http://www.mediafire.com/?2heynk6ukr1fbyn

The problem is the po didn't build it so I don't know what kind if parts are in it I'm finding out as I go and yes the clutch is new and grabs really good for being behind the 383.

 

[Slash]

The problem is the po didn't build it so I don't know what kind if parts are in it I'm finding out as I go and yes the clutch is new and grabs really good for being behind the 383.

He didn't give you a list of what was done when you bought it? That would have been the first thing I would have asked for besidesa car history report.

That's always a good thing.

 

[savage388]

He didn't give you a list of what was done when you bought it? That would have been the first thing I would have asked for besidesa car history report.

That's always a good thing.

I asked and he said he didn't know, the thing ran so strong and had all the signs if a strong motor so for the price I overlooked it.

 

[Slash]

I asked and he said he didn't know, the thing ran so strong and had all the signs if a strong motor so for the price I overlooked it.

Hmm. I don't blame you though.

Let me know if you find anything new out.

 

[Slash]

Find anythign out?


Also, you should go all Smokey and the Bandit 3 on this thing.

 

[savage388]

Find anythign out?


Also, you should go all Smokey and the Bandit 3 on this thing.

Not really I've been working a lot so I haven't got the chance to crack it open. I suspect the starter just came loose because when I got under it the starter bolts werent too snug. Still that means i got to drop the trans.