Say hello to the Google autonomous car

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So when this thing hits a kid chasing a ball into the street does google get the lawsuit?
I imagine they will have a hard time getting insurance for these.

All that said, I'd love to see this fail in a big bad way.
Living in Louisiana, I know not everyone is a great driver who understands the laws of the road. However, there is no way I'm happy with the idea that a computer is going to remove us (society as a whole) from doing one of the activities I enjoy the most (driving).

I know I'm getting ahead of myself with these concerns but why not right? :sly:
 
These cars aren't meant to take away driving freedom, they're about letting those who have zero interest in driving be shuttled to their destination without being god-awful or distracted behind the wheel. There will always be cars that the end user can operate for those who want the experience or for situations where a human would be better than a computer. Think about it this way, just because we have ATM's and mobile banking apps doesn't mean we don't have use for a brick and mortar bank.

And really an optional system that acts the same way cruise control would do wonders for the average car. Think about how much safer it would be if the car could drive itself when you're overly sleepy? Or even sick? I'd much rather just push a couple buttons and not have to worry about drifting off to sleep unexpectedly on the road.
 
So when this thing hits a kid chasing a ball into the street does google get the lawsuit?
I imagine they will have a hard time getting insurance for these.

They've done a million test miles in California already without any autonomous-caused accidents (IIRC, the one accident the test car got into was, unsurprisingly, with a person behind the wheel :P ).

However, there is no way I'm happy with the idea that a computer is going to remove us (society as a whole) from doing one of the activities I enjoy the most (driving).

It's not though; it's not taking away the fun driving, it's taking away the boring slog that is the commute. If that can (hypothetically) simultaneously save me fuel and time (as coordinated traffic consisting of these would), well, I see it as more time to do things I actually want to.
 
I guess I'm weird in that I enjoy all driving. Traffic sucks, of course, but I'd rather spend even longer taking an alternate route than sit in the car while it scoots through congestion itself.
 
I guess I'm weird in that I enjoy all driving. Traffic sucks, of course, but I'd rather spend even longer taking an alternate route than sit in the car while it scoots through congestion itself.

I'm the same way so I can understand that too.
 
I guess I'm weird in that I enjoy all driving. Traffic sucks, of course, but I'd rather spend even longer taking an alternate route than sit in the car while it scoots through congestion itself.

While it's not weird, it is uncommon. The average person doesn't really care about driving and just wants to get to their destination as quickly as possible. I'd much rather have people that don't care about operating a vehicle be shuttled around by a computer, in the end it'd be safer for all of us.
 
I guess I'm weird in that I enjoy all driving. Traffic sucks, of course, but I'd rather spend even longer taking an alternate route than sit in the car while it scoots through congestion itself.

But if the majority of the traffic grid is automated vehicles with communication, congestion will drop rapidly as mergers and intersections will be timed in an optimal way. Also, after dealing with LA traffic I can't say I enjoy all forms of driving at this point.
 
*cough cough*

One of my favourite comic writers got to experience these little guys first hand. His argument is framed pretty well, though I imagine not all would agree with me on that.
Agreed on the artist's views, expecially on a consideration he made about the final speed of the car: it's a vehicle, you need that in order to move anget stuff done, it doesn't have to be fun, it has to be functional.
The car per se is functional, and it's not even in its final status.
 
He certainly makes a better case for the car than Google has so far. Between that and allowing "glasshole" to become a term, Google seriously needs better PR people.
 
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/DF6D4F67402FE8BACA257E4500215A80

AUTONOMOUS vehicles are being tested on public roads around the world, but they will need clearance from the United Nations before they will be accepted for general use in Australia and many other countries.

Australia and a majority of European countries are among the 73 signatories to the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic of 1968, which is explicit about the role of a driver in a vehicle.

Speaking at the Australian Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) Summit in Melbourne this week, Renault director of corporate strategy and planning Christian Rousseau signaled a change of two conventions before further progress can be made.

“Some countries have signed the Vienna Convention and some have signed the Geneva Convention of 1949 and both will have to be changed,” he said.

The Vienna Convention was organised by the United Nations and superseded and absorbed the earlier Geneva Convention on Road Traffic.

“The convention says the driver must always be involved in the driving task. The only person responsible is the driver,” Mr Rousseau said.

The requirement for the driver to remain engaged in the driving function means that, while there can still be some automated functions like automatic emergency braking, the driver is unable to make alternate use of the time spent in the car.

Mr Rousseau said Renault and its sister company Nissan are aiming to develop automated vehicles by 2020 that would not only enhance safety on the roads but would also allow the driver to engage in secondary tasks.

“Now, when you are in congestion, you can see the other drivers playing with their smartphones or reading newspapers. In a non-automated car that is very dangerous.

“With the automation of the driving task, under very heavy traffic conditions, we’d allow much more safely the driver to do something else. But the driver is still following the queue.

“Instead of losing all the control of the car because of the secondary activities, the system allows safer behavior of the driver and car system.”

Renault expects to have a partly automated vehicle ready by about 2020, Mr Rousseau said. He said this would be more than a Level 2 automated car but not quite Level 3.

The levels of vehicle automation start at Level 1, where a vehicle has independent automated systems such as cruise control. Level 2 has at least two automated control systems working in unison, as in emergency braking (range sensing and braking).

At Level 3 a driver would be able to cede control of all safety-critical functions under certain conditions, such as staying in a lane at highway speeds or creeping in a traffic jam, but be able to regain control with sufficient transition time.

Level 4 is full self-driving automation.

“We are aiming at 2 Plus or 3 Minus, it’s a matter of definition.

“Maybe our premium-car colleagues can achieve (Level 3) by 2020, but for a generalist car manufacturer we will be later.”

Sister company Nissan has been talking up its autonomous tech development for a number of years now, and has even collaborated with NASA on certain projects.

But last year the car-maker confirmed its future self-driving cars would differ from pilots such as Google’s driverless vehicles in that a driver would always remain in control.

Not looking forward to the Logan's Run era. But then, I'd be disposed of by then anyway.
 
I don't want these on the road at any speed. Computers of every price and quality glitch and **** up.

Also NAV's are ****.

Also, hackers. "Computer take me to mall.""Going to Gary, YOLO."
 
So much insight in these past few posts :rolleyes:. I'm still yet to hear a valid reason against autonomous cars that isn't completely based on wild speculation. With autonomous cars you aren't going to give up driving freedom, cars as we know them won't go away, and I highly doubt you'll have new robot overlords to bow down too.
 
A computer will screw up less than you will.
In this case it would not even take a powerful computer to achieve that.

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Dumb question:
So in the future, things like Motorsport or track day or even a racing video games will no longer exists in the future of 2020+?
 
Dumb question:
So in the future, things like Motorsport or track day or even a racing video games will no longer exists in the future of 2020+?

Doubt it, just because we don't ride horses for primary transportation any more doesn't mean we don't race them.
 
I'm highly confident that videogames will celebrate motorsports and the automobile as we know it long after practically all of them have rusted away.
 
My biggest fear with autonomous cars is that one day the technology will become so safe that the extreme majority of car crashes on the roads will be caused exclusively by people manually driving their cars. And when that happens, we will inevitably have politicians trying to outlaw driving a car by yourself.

Then again, it reminds me of Clarkson's "Would you board a plane with no pilot?" argument, will people really feel safe in a machine that they have absolutely no control over?
 
My biggest fear with autonomous cars is that one day the technology will become so safe that the extreme majority of car crashes on the roads will be caused exclusively by people manually driving their cars. And when that happens, we will inevitably have politicians trying to outlaw driving a car by yourself.

Then again, it reminds me of Clarkson's "Would you board a plane with no pilot?" argument, will people really feel safe in a machine that they have absolutely no control over?
I'm pretty sure the system will be the same; a person will be able to take over the car just as a pilot can take over a plane. No one is going to let these machines have full control without an option to step in.
 
*cough cough*

One of my favourite comic writers got to experience these little guys first hand. His argument is framed pretty well, though I imagine not all would agree with me on that.

That article brought up a point that has made me an advocate for autonomous car. People that are handicapped. Something very close to my heart, as I'm an not as handicapable as most anymore. This year, as some know, I've had both my hips replaced and a mild heart attack. Both are due to a previous condition, Crohns disease. I just can't get around like I used to. On top of that, I'm on medication for the rest of my life. Medication that comes with warnings such as "do not operate a moving vehicle". This does provide obstacles in daily life, as I am now re-entering the work force starting at the beginning of the year. I know that the obvious answer to my getting to work problem is either one of two things, drive or take a bus. Hell, even getting to grocery is sometimes hard. Anyways, driving is pain. Literally. I enjoy it, but only for short distances. Any longer than that a jaunt, and the sitting position causes pain my lower parts. And answer me a question, would you really want to drive behind a guy how is taking upwards of ten pills daily? I didn't think so. That leaves the bus. An option, but not as viable as you may think. I have new hips. I have a bad heart. Sometimes the nearest needed bus stop is a half mile away. That's quite a walk for somebody in my condition. Also, what about after work. You know, the time that is set for you to leave the premises and doesn't have a consideration for the bus schedule. What happens if I have to wait an hour just the bus to arrive, but I'm in need of getting home to my pills that help keep me alive. My beta blockers, my nerve blockers. What if I forget my nitro tabs at home, and the walk to the bus stop has given me chests pains? In my situation, an autonomous car would solve these issues from interfering with my health. I wouldn't have to worry about being too high to drive. I wouldn't have to worry about walking any further than the handicapped parking spot. I would be able to factor in travel time into my prescription schedule. All these things make me wish that this technology is coming sooner than later.
 
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That article brought up a point that has made me an advocate for autonomous car. People that are handicapped. Something very close to my heart, as I'm an not as handicapable as most anymore. This year, as some know, I've had both my hips replaced and a mild heart attack. Both are due to a previous condition, Crohns disease. I just can't get around like I used to. On top of that, I'm on medication for the rest of my life. Medication that comes with warnings such as "do not operate a moving vehicle". This does provide obstacles in daily life, as I am now re-entering the work force starting at the beginning of the year. I know that the obvious answer to my getting to work problem is either one of two things, drive or take a bus. Hell, even getting to grocery is sometimes hard. Anyways, driving is pain. Literally. I enjoy it, but only for short distances. Any longer than that a jaunt, and the sitting position causes pain my lower parts. And answer me a question, would you really want to drive behind a guy how is taking upwards of ten pills daily? I didn't think so. That leaves the bus. An option, but not as viable as you may think. I have new hips. I have a bad heart. Sometimes the nearest needed bus stop is a half mile away. That's quite a walk for somebody in my condition. Also, what about after work. You know, the time that is set for you to leave the premises and doesn't have a consideration for the bus schedule. What happens if I have to wait an hour just the bus to arrive, but I'm in need of getting home to my pills that help keep me alive. My beta blockers, my nerve blockers. What if I forget my nitro tabs at home, and the walk to the bus stop has given me chests pains? In my situation, an autonomous car would solve these issues from interfering with my health. I wouldn't have to worry about being too high to drive. I wouldn't have to worry about walking any further than the handicapped parking spot. I would be able to factor in travel time into my prescription schedule. All these things make me wish that this technology is coming sooner than later.
I have a few neighbors in my apartment with disabilities, one has to take cabs everywhere (such as work) and the others just have a incredibly uncomfortable drive.
 
I'm pretty sure the system will be the same; a person will be able to take over the car just as a pilot can take over a plane. No one is going to let these machines have full control without an option to step in.

That for me is the issue, if you're going to be actually seated in the driving seat and always having to monitor the car if it does something wrong then what is the point?
 
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