Seasonal events - now officially ruined.

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Does lifting restrictions ruin the seasonal events?

  • Yes - Ruined! Why break a good thing PD?

    Votes: 164 36.2%
  • No way! Stop whining!

    Votes: 289 63.8%

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I'm sorry. That was supposed to be a question. I forgot the question mark.

The fact you can too easily take any challenge away, while getting the same amount of money and xp. GT4 and Forza are just better in that aspect..
Also the line between hard and impossible is thin. A line which is hard to see when making an own setup while you can tune up till enormous heaps of power.
 
Look guys, I used to be all for challenging races, but I realize that this is a good compliment for online. If you want a challenge, go online, trust me, you will be challenged. Why play with AI when you can play with real people (if you get them to actually race). The seasonal events now have a niche, they allow you get a good million or 2 every couple weeks, something the online doesn't do for you.
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I agree. I have enjoyed the seasonal events in all forms. I Played the new ones last night and the only mods I did was tires, which I know makes a big difference. But you can make them as hard or as easy as you like. I struggled with the GT one so I did it with SFR on and won it. I then felt more comfortable with the car and track turned SRF off and won it again all be it a much closer race. If you dont like it dont play them or show some self control an restrict yourself.
 
It's elitist to want a challenge in life? Pathetic.

Time to move out your Mom's basement, dude.

No it's elitist to call it "dumbing" down.

BTW, nice touch with the basement comment. Why doesn't it surprise me you went to that?
 
I still haven't beaten it becaues I don't want to turn SRF on.

The reason I don't believe you have done it stock is I don't think ANYONE has reported beating it stock and those who have beaten it have only done so with upgraded cars and/or SRF.

You are either immensely better than anyone else who has posted here or you are mis remembering and using it as a fact to back your statement.

Well I'm positive I'm not the only one.
 
So you are saying I should spend 2 or 3 hours with just the first level air filter and whne I deam it impossible........

And what makes you think 2 hours is enough? Some of those events took me over 6 hours to get first... so how do I ever know it's impossible vs just really hard? I mean the first dozen time I did the Focus challenge I lost by over 20 seconds! That to me says impossible, must tune up... but no it's not... it's just VERY hard.

So your idea doesn't work plain and simple and that's if we ignore the ridiculous amount of frustrating impossible grinding it takes to reach those concolusions and the almost certainty that whatever I finally arrive at will probably actually be overtuned.

Go ahead, you do it for just ONE of the new races. I want you to set the limit that is so hard it takes me HOURS of practicing and playing with the tuning to finally win but isn't impossible. Have fun spending hours with each tuning setup to make sure it's really not beatable before moving up a step...

Oh and as for your commment about F1 teams above... I am pretty sure that's in large because it's a real job that pays a lot of money and can reasonably be something you spend almost all your time on... unlike this GAME which is something I paid for to provide me with preset fun challenges, not so I could bang my head against the wall over and over trying to weasle out what the real challenging setups are.

1) I never said 2 hours was enough, you can use your own discretion when deciding when to "give up and upgrade".

2) The idea works fine if you're willing to put in the time. You should be able to tell after the 3rd or 5th try if you've got a chance at all (if your car is uncontrollable). If you can't tell by then, then an upgrade wont make it too much easier. (Bear in mind, that all upgrades were available before anyway, so when I say upgrade now, I mean an upgrade in HP only, as that was the only restriction previously. Oh, and tyres.)

3) I don't want to do it. I don't find it fun. I play the game to have fun, not to be frustrated (I can and have done all the seasonal challenges with gold, so I don't lack the skill, I just lack the motivation).

4) As you said, it's a game. It should be fun. If these seasonal challenges aren't fun because you can win them easily now, don't do them?...

Also, you need to think about people who enjoy the game, but aren't good at it (which is the majority rather than the minority). They may still find these seasonal challenges difficult, and could have found the previous ones impossible.
 
My guess is that its alot of work to have them created scripted/catch up races. I agree, they did kind of ruin it with no restrictions.
 
No it's elitist to call it "dumbing" down.

Well how would you call it then? Dumbing down is a term I see everyday and everywhere to make things easily accessible for anyone. Ubuntu is a 'dumbed down' linux distro for example, it's easier accesible for anyone than any other distro. NFS shifts physics were 'dumbed down' to fit the casual audience, that has even been said by a developer. Uncharted 2 was dumbed down for the PS3, so it could run well on it.
etc
 
Well how would you call it then? Dumbing down is a term I see everyday and everywhere to make things easily accessible for anyone. Ubuntu is a 'dumbed down' linux distro for example, NFS shifts physics were 'dumbed down' to fit the casual audience. Uncharted 2 was dumbed down for the PS3, so it could run well on it.
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There is a lot of things I'm good at and even more that I'm not. I don't believe that makes me or others dumb because we are different and have different skill levels.

If someone can't do one of the races without some help who am I to stop them from leveling things out?
 
Actually, go to a chess forum, and talk about how YOU like to play chess with all queens. Or talk on a pool forum about how you have the pockets two feet wide.

Then stand back and wear a flame retardant suit!

I personally don't give a toss one way or the other how YOU play the game. But when your whining gets the game designer to completely change the gameplay, so you don't flame them about it, now YOU are impacting me. A challenge is a challenge. GT5 isn't a box of crayons and a blank piece of paper. It was DESIGNED to be played by certain rules, a certain way. Play it any way you want to. But have the decency to not come to a forum for fans of the game, and demand that it be changed just because YOU find it too hard.

Or, at least, if you do, make your complaint across the board, and whine about how HARD the License Tests are, or how DIFFICULT the Special Events are, and how PD should change the game so you don't have to do anything at all. And we could all see you for the whiny children you m seem to be.

In chess forums and pool forums, they don't complain that others are playing the game wrong. They just play it their own way and enjoy it their own way. If I said I like to play chess to see who can lose all their pieces first, they'd say "good for you, we don't do that, but you doing so doesn't affect our enjoyment of the game".

I'm whining?... I never whined about the seasonal events (1&2), I found them challenging but could easily get gold in all of them. I'm not whining about seasonal events #3 either. You're the one who is.

But have the decency to not come to a forum for fans of the game, and demand that it be changed just because YOU find it too hard.

I'm not demanding that anything be changed. I was making a suggestion for the people who are crying about the difficulty being removed. I don't find it too hard, I never have. Stop making stuff up.

Again, I reiterate, nobody is whining except the people who don't like the change to the seasonal events (ie: you).
 
Also, you need to think about people who enjoy the game, but aren't good at it (which is the majority rather than the minority). They may still find these seasonal challenges difficult, and could have found the previous ones impossible.

But these players are usually the casual gamer who will easily jump to the next installment of TDU, NFS, GTA, CoD whatever. While in the end only the hardcore drivers will keep on playing GT5
 
1) I never said 2 hours was enough, you can use your own discretion when deciding when to "give up and upgrade".

Well consideirng 2 hours was already too long I don't see how making that variably longer makes anything better.

2) The idea works fine if you're willing to put in the time. You should be able to tell after the 3rd or 5th try if you've got a chance at all (if your car is uncontrollable). If you can't tell by then, then an upgrade wont make it too much easier. (Bear in mind, that all upgrades were available before anyway, so when I say upgrade now, I mean an upgrade in HP only, as that was the only restriction previously. Oh, and tyres.)

As I said already, there have been plenty of races where I wasn't even competitive until dozens of tries in due to the nature of how much difference LSD and suspension tunes can make.

So again, no. Even when you go from "at most 2" tries to 5 tries it's still not a valid argument.

I have had races where my first 20 tries were all way off first but I eventually tuned and practiced my way to victory.

It's this kind of assumption without acceptance of fact that make your argument flawed.

3) I don't want to do it. I don't find it fun. I play the game to have fun, not to be frustrated (I can and have done all the seasonal challenges with gold, so I don't lack the skill, I just lack the motivation).

Well then you see the flaw with your own solution then... it almost certainly involves a LOT of frustration (ie racing an impossible tune repeatedly to ensure it's really impossible and not just a matter of a situation like above where it takes a lot of tries to finally accomplish it).

4) As you said, it's a game. It should be fun. If these seasonal challenges aren't fun because you can win them easily now, don't do them?...

That would be all well and good assuming an abundance of fun alternatives... the reason these were so much enjoyed was it was a rare example (in GT5) of PD getting it right and making a fun experience. Now that they have been tainted I am stuck back with A spec which was a problem all along and online which is only sometimes good fun and VERY often tainted with horrible drivers and lag.

Also, you need to think about people who enjoy the game, but aren't good at it (which is the majority rather than the minority). They may still find these seasonal challenges difficult, and could have found the previous ones impossible.

And that's where SRF comes in. I firmly believe SRF makes these events attainable for even the most average of drivers. Certainly there are some who simply can't keep the car on track at all and need to practice just to become average, but that said a huge portion of this (and any game) will be true for that scenario.

I have a friend who can't even beat the beginner challenge from GT5P with the best cars enterable becaue he doens't understand straight line breaking etc... removing the restrictions doesn't help these people any and ultimately I don't think it's unresaosnable to say all the tools to help them improve and make the events attainable with SRF are there.
 
There is a lot of things I'm good at and even more that I'm not. I don't believe that makes me or others dumb because we are different and have different skill levels.

If someone can't do one of the races without some help who am I to stop them from leveling things out?
The first:
Sigh... You must be trolling...

The second:
Indeed, that's not your task, it's PD's task to offer a challenging game .
So that's why there should be two systems imo.. One for those who do it the easy way, one for those staying within the restrictions..
 
But these players are usually the casual gamer who will easily jump to the next installment of TDU, NFS, GTA, CoD whatever. While in the end only the hardcore drivers will keep on playing GT5

And they deserve to enjoy the game less because?...

You realise that GT has always appealed to a wide fanbase right?... not just the hardcore drivers.

If GT only appealed to the hardcore drivers, it wouldn't have sufficient revenue to get to 5 installments.

They all paid the same amount for the game, they deserve to enjoy it just as much.
 
Isn't the burden of not over tuning on the user?
simple: don't make your car crazy faster than the other cars, damn i'm good at this problem solving thing!
 
No it's elitist to call it "dumbing" down.

BTW, nice touch with the basement comment. Why doesn't it surprise me you went to that?

I just call it the way I see it.:sly:

And only YOU feel it's elitist. Can't say I found 'dumb' and 'elite' together in the dictionary. Perhaps you'd like a euphemism? Something a little more PC? How about making it easy for the 'skill challenged'? How or those with 'lowered expectations'? How about 'short-bussing it'? How about 'remedializing it'?

Tell me what YOU would use for making something so easy you could do it passed out in your underwear...?

GT5... the Special Olympics of driving games. Can't jump high? Put the stick on the ground. Yeah. Go Team! Bring on the Gold :rolleyes:
 
Wow whole 20 new pages since the last morning when i've checked that thread yesterday.
Even checked like 7 - 8 pages. Gotta say what i've seen was expected, there's too many GT fanboys, who will eat anything that PD will give to them, good it or not doesn't matter.
Also, as someone mentioned, it's funny how people suddenly forgot about GT4.
I don't wanna lie and too lazy to check, but i think that at least 65 - 70% of the races had restrictions there and some actually were challenging, inlike all A-spec events that GT5 has, maybe except FGT.
All of you hated GT4 then? Just because some events were challenging?

Now to the "restrict yourself" argument. I can't say for others, but for me it will be a very fake challenge that way and i won't get any fun by actually winning like that.
Why? Because it's me who decided what i can do and what i can't. Nothing will beat a feeling when you'll win in some hard race and think: "eat this PD, i still can do that".

Elitists... I'm not elitist and not even a very good GT player, even tho i'm playing since GT2. I couldn't gold some special events (AMG ones) and didn't had patience to gold all licenses.
I guess that's enough to proof that not only elitists thinking, that a challening seasonal events were just what GT5 needed. Because A-spec mode is too short and too easy, special events even more short (not that easy tho). Those events was like a piece of old good GT for me. And i didn't even golded all of them, but getting gold in a challenging event... priceless.


And don't even compare online to GT mode. Online is not what've made GT a GT. Besides it's a lottery, you may get the challenge there, but most of times you will play versus rams, or someone can get a lag or something like that.
So online is online, don't mix it with GT life mode.
 
And they deserve to enjoy the game less because?...
Where do I say that? Didn't you enjoy GT4 because it had restrictions?
You realise that GT has always appealed to a wide fanbase right?... not just the hardcore drivers.
But the hc drivers are those who will keep the game alive after 1-2 years. The casuals have left the game
at that time..

If GT only appealed to the hardcore drivers, it wouldn't have sufficient revenue to get to 5 installments.

They all paid the same amount for the game, they deserve to enjoy it just as much.

Maybe it wouldn't have been this big, but why not 5 installments? Simbin has already past it's 8th installment as hardcore sim..

Yep, but why can't they enjoy a silver instead of gold like I can enjoy being not the best in CoD?
AND again:
Why should GT5 be fully accessible (all gold) for anyone, while CoD isn't accessible for anyone (hardest difficulties)?
Manypeople can't complete fps games at hardest difficulty, but the hardest events in GT5 should be able to achieved by everyone.
Didn't the people who can't gold everything in GT4 enjoy it?? At least I did enjoy GT4 depite not having golded everything..

No one has answered this..
 
Isn't the burden of not over tuning on the user?
simple: don't make your car crazy faster than the other cars, damn i'm good at this problem solving thing!

Read the topic, than you'll see what the problem is in your 'solution'.
 
Who said anything about "just short of impossible", you only added that qualifier because it's impossible to determine that kind of thing without extensive testing.
Anyway, adding a custom tranny, an oil change, and hard racing slicks force to you to drive with a moderate level of skill, but I won by a full second and a half. I'm positive the AI are racing on soft sports tires, cause on one particular corner half of them were screwing up badly. either way, I was able to make the race more fun with a mere moment of thought, I expect the kind of grueling difficulty you so richly desire can be found with tires that have less grip. I bet half of you in here have spent more time complaining and whining than you have experimenting.
 
Where do I say that? Didn't you enjoy GT4 because it had restrictions?
But the hc drivers are those who will keep the game alive after 1-2 years. The casuals have left the game
at that time..



Maybe it wouldn't have been this big, but why not 5 installments? Simbin has already past it's 8th installment as hardcore sim..

Yep, but why can't they enjoy a silver instead of gold like I can enjoy being not the best in CoD?
AND again:
Why should GT5 be fully accessible (all gold) for anyone, while CoD isn't accessible for anyone (hardest difficulties)?
Manypeople can't complete fps games at hardest difficulty, but the hardest events in GT5 should be able to achieved by everyone.
Didn't the people who can't gold everything in GT4 enjoy it??

No one has answered this..

Gt5 is a different breed to the previous gt's.

You get things unlocked not by money, but by levels, and getting gold in these challenges gives you the exp to get the levels (without having to grind).

I didn't gold everything in gt4, and yes, I did enjoy it. But I liked the fact that it was always going to be there, and not seasonal. If they're going to make a seasonal event which expires in a month or two, then people don't have the option of going back to gold it. They either do it right up front, or not at all.

Personally, I would prefer the races be more challenging, but not in the way of seasonal events 1 and 2. Those were ONLY challenging because you started at the back and had to catchup. If it was an actual race, then those would have been way too easy.

That said, I think the seasonal events being changed doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game at all.
 
The first:
Sigh... You must be trolling...

The second:
Indeed, that's not your task, it's PD's task to offer a challenging game .
So that's why there should be two systems imo.. One for those who do it the easy way, one for those staying within the restrictions..

I'm not trolling and PD did set the the rules in case you missed it. They gave everyone a chance. Don't like it then make it more challenging yourself. Stop trying to dictate how others play the game.
 
I just call it the way I see it.:sly:

And only YOU feel it's elitist. Can't say I found 'dumb' and 'elite' together in the dictionary. Perhaps you'd like a euphemism? Something a little more PC? How about making it easy for the 'skill challenged'? How or those with 'lowered expectations'? How about 'short-bussing it'? How about 'remedializing it'?

Tell me what YOU would use for making something so easy you could do it passed out in your underwear...?

GT5... the Special Olympics of driving games. Can't jump high? Put the stick on the ground. Yeah. Go Team! Bring on the Gold :rolleyes:

Ok. I call it unrestricted seasonal events.
 
Crickets chirping....

Yep, that's what I'm hearing from this poll's supporters when asked either did they HATE GT4 for not allowing them to overpower every event (and if they did, why buy GT5?), or do they hate the License Tests, too.

Crickets chirping....

It's quiet, Number One... Too damn quiet!
 
I understand they are switching things up but come on guys A-spec was seriously easy you can do it all and complete without even trying twice.

You can do every race first time without trouble the problem is they love the cars thats fine, but wheres the racing apart from online because i aint seen it yet and i'm A-spec 34 and B-spec 31. WAY! to easy the specials and seasonal and also easy.

The problem is now days makers think to much about online and not enough offline not just GT5 but pretty much ever racing game i hve played.

GT4 on the racing side of things was way better.
 
it's true that setting and tweaking with your own difficulty bar isnt the same as the developer setting one for you, but there is still fun to be had in doing it. you dont have to spend hours tuning, the different sets of tires and the robotic AI make it easy to make a ballpark estimate of what's challenging and what isnt. all of this talk of "but it has to be barely short of impossible!" is just a qualifier thrown in to dismiss everything that falls short of that.
 
Well consideirng 2 hours was already too long I don't see how making that variably longer makes anything better.

Then make it shorter, purchase another HP upgrade. That's the beauty of it being OPEN, you can do whatever you want. Want to grind 5 hours to get the tune right? Do it. Want to spend 30 mins to get the tune right? Do it. It's not that big a deal.

As I said already, there have been plenty of races where I wasn't even competitive until dozens of tries in due to the nature of how much difference LSD and suspension tunes can make.

Really?... I find that tweaking the LSD and suspension doesn't take too long. I had about 3 or 4 goes before I found a good drift setup for my r8. But everybody's different I guess (and hence why the OPEN restrictions are good, because everybody can do as they wish).

So again, no. Even when you go from "at most 2" tries to 5 tries it's still not a valid argument.

It's not an argument. I'm just saying, if you want a challenge, impose a challenge on yourself. If you don't, then just tune as much as you want. The challenge WILL be there if you want it to be (it'll just be more tweaking than before).

I have had races where my first 20 tries were all way off first but I eventually tuned and practiced my way to victory.

And those 20 tries weren't in vain. They must have helped you learn the car, and learn the track well enough to get to victory. It's a racing game, why complain about having to race more? (maybe you'll have to try 50~60~200 times now... isnt' that the challenge you want?)


Well then you see the flaw with your own solution then... it almost certainly involves a LOT of frustration (ie racing an impossible tune repeatedly to ensure it's really impossible and not just a matter of a situation like above where it takes a lot of tries to finally accomplish it).

It's not a solution I'm imposing on myself, because I don't get satisfaction/enjoyment out of it. It's just a solution for those who want a challenge. How is it flawed, it works, just keep racing until you KNOW you can't do it, then tune. If you still can't do it, tune some more. Doesn't matter how many tries it takes, it's still going to provide the challenge that you're after.

That would be all well and good assuming an abundance of fun alternatives... the reason these were so much enjoyed was it was a rare example (in GT5) of PD getting it right and making a fun experience. Now that they have been tainted I am stuck back with A spec which was a problem all along and online which is only sometimes good fun and VERY often tainted with horrible drivers and lag.

Why don't you do time trials?... Those would give you the perfect scenario. Fixed car, and you can tune till you beat the online leaderboards.

And that's where SRF comes in. I firmly believe SRF makes these events attainable for even the most average of drivers. Certainly there are some who simply can't keep the car on track at all and need to practice just to become average, but that said a huge portion of this (and any game) will be true for that scenario.

Not true, I know people who can't beat beginner races even with SRF on... They still enjoy the game as they like cars, but they're just not very good at it.

I have a friend who can't even beat the beginner challenge from GT5P with the best cars enterable becaue he doens't understand straight line breaking etc... removing the restrictions doesn't help these people any and ultimately I don't think it's unresaosnable to say all the tools to help them improve and make the events attainable with SRF are there.
Some people don't want to improve. Some people just want to have fun playing the game.

When all my friends played starcraft and counterstrike etc. They all said "practice more, you'll get better".

I just didn't want to. I liked doing whatever I wanted in the game.

These seasonal events give the exp for amateur drivers to get the cars they want and enjoy the game their own way.
 
The problem is now days makers think to much about online and not enough offline not just GT5 but pretty much ever racing game i hve played.

GT4 on the racing side of things was way better.

I'm sorry, but GT5 is just as big an abortion over on the online side as offline. Seriously! They only JUST got any cr. and EXP for online racing, and it's still a shadow of offline. Damage, afterthought. Matchmaking, nope. Spec racing, nope. Leaderboards, nope.

It's as if they went 'Here's a list of everything good in GT4. OK, toss it. Now what?'
 
So basically

guy notices new seasonal events.......hmmm.......no tunning restrictions.

Goes to Garage and picks his stock car......heads over to the tunning shop, Looks at the engine upgrades and how much faster they will make the car......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Looks at a nice sports filter and how much faster it will make his car.....then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Picks up a turbo, fully customizable suspension and transmission......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Buys himself some racing soft tyres knowing how much of an advantage it will be to his car in the upcomming race....and the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Then runs the race and destroys the oposition.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"


Does that pretty much sum up peoples objctions to the new seasonal events?
 
No Dave you didn't read anything at all. Useless post.. So much typing without even knowing what we're saying..
 
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