Second school shooting plan foiled

[Grayfox]

A man in the US has been arrested after threatening to "kill as many people as possible" at a primary school on the same day as the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre.

Von Meyer, 60, from Indiana, was arrested by local police on December 14 after he threatened to light his wife on fire and continue onto a shooting spree at a nearby primary school.

Meyer was found to have 47 guns in his possession and lived just 300m from the Jane Ball Elementary School.

The school was placed on high alert and unspecified security measures were taken.

That same day in Newtown, Connecticut, 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook were shot dead by a gunman carrying three high-powered guns.

A police report said Meyer had easy access to the school from his home if he used trails and paths that cut through a wooded area.

"Through investigation, police learned that Meyer reportedly had a large number of weapons hidden throughout the two storey historical home," a police report said.

It is not specified the type of guns Meyer had in his possession, but it is understood at least some of them were historical collectors items.

Meyer faces four counts of felony intimidation, two counts of resisting law enforcement and one count of domestic battery.

He was also a member of the Invades Motorcycle Gang, which is considered to be an outlaw group in the US.

Meyer is being held at the Lake County jail without bail.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2012/12/17/08/49/second-school-shooting-plan-foiled

 

[Dennisch]

This is not really surprizing really. When someone is allowed to have guns then what do you expect?

So everyone who ownes a gun is expected to go on a killing spree?

Edit.

You didn't make your post any better by editing it...

 

[Schwartz]

No, just the ones with really cool guns.

 

[Dennisch]

No, just the ones with really cool guns.

 

[Schwartz]

My God... That's the 2.2 Camry of modern weaponry technology, no wonder it's illegal. How you even managed to find a picture of such a rare firearm is beyond me.

Honestly, who needs 47 guns hidden throughout his house?

 

[I Am Yellow]

The problem in US isn't the right to own guns, it is the lack of control of who's buying them. Anyone over 21 can buy them, without any kind of psychological test or gun use classes, and people can buy as many guns as they want without being questioned. Of course, people who passed such tests and have a little amount of guns still can go on a killing spree. However, certain regulations will surely help to stop stuff like that.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The problem in US isn't the right to own guns, it is the lack of control of who's buying them. Anyone over 21 can buy them, without any kind of psychological test or gun use classes, and people can buy as many guns as they want without being questioned. Of course, people who passed such tests and have a little amount of guns still can go on a killing spree. However, certain regulations will surely help to stop stuff like that.

There is no such thing as a black and white, single cause and effect issue when it comes to anything, gun killing sprees included. A few regulations aren't going to make much difference except to give certain segments of society a false sense of security. A comprehensive approach to this problem must go as deep as looking at the society that creates these monsters and all the choices we are making, not just whether you have to fill out a couple of extra pieces of paper to get a gun. Anything short of that, is just politics and pandering.

 

[Grayfox]

Hey those are quite fun when you remove the limiter on them.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

Honestly, who needs 47 guns hidden throughout his house?

He probably collected them, which I can understand. Who needs a hundred model cars, a box full of coins, a garage full of racing bikes or a shelf of signed footballs? It's all relative to what the person likes.

 

[Danoff]

It could be that. I currently own 2 handguns, 3 rifles and a shotgun with the intent to buy another handgun and a shotgun. That would put my total at 8, which is a far cry from 47, but it's headed in that direction. I started with just 1.

The explanation of mine is that 2 of them are for self defense, while the rest are antiques. I don't even own ammunition for 4 of them, and they are so old that they would be unsafe to fire. They are historical pieces, a couple of which are worth a few grand at this point.

Edit:

Or it could be a form of psychosis that my grandfather in-law suffered from. He needed to be within a few feet of a firearm at all times in his house. This lead to storing guns in the magazine rack in the bathroom, drawers throughout the house, etc. He lost track of how many guns he had, I think it was over 100 when he died.

My grandfather, on the otherhand, used guns as decorative pieces, choosing to mount them on the walls of his home. He had dozens of fascinating and attractive guns lining the walls of his home. Almost none of his guns could actually be fired.

 

[Hun200kmh]

He probably collected them, which I can understand. Who needs a hundred model cars, a garage full of racing bikes or a shelf of signed footballs? It's all relative to what the person likes.

Cars, bikes and footballs aren't weapons. They are inherently dangerous, a bit like private zoos of deadly animals.

But I do understand the people from the USA ... if I lived in a society and country where everyone (probably) has guns, I would (probably) want one for myself and one for each and every adult member of my family.

In fact, maybe one for my kids too, who knows if some day one of them has to face a mass killer in his own school, or cinema, or hospital. I bet when that day comes, and a kid shoots to kill, therefore preventing the murdering of an entire class ... some will say "See? We must allow the kids to have guns too, that's the only way to stop these killings"

In Rome, be Roman.

 

[Northstar]

Cars, bikes and footballs aren't weapons.

What about swords or knives than? Both of those are probably more collected worldwide than guns, yet can be more dangerous(as you don't need any ammo so they are always "ready"). Should collecting those be banned as well?

 

[Hun200kmh]

Collecting them isn't but in my country you can go to jail if you take them out of you home's walls for a walk.

PS - Anyway, I'm not condemning USA gun laws because that's the USA way. Besides, you must consider the millions of guns everywhere, that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. So in short, there are several countries where I would prefer to have my own gun with me and with the bonus of it being allowed, the USA is one of them.

 

[Danoff]

Collecting them isn't but in my country you can go to jail if you take them out of you home's walls for a walk.

That's true in the US as well unless you stay on your own property or have a concealed or open carry license.

 

[Joel]

It isn't hard to get a decent collection of guns. We've got 3 shotguns (one of which we have no.ammunition for), a .22, a compound.bow and a crossbow. All of the guns.are primarily for hunting but add a handgun for target shooting and a big game rifle and I'd be into 8-10 pretty quick. It's kinda hard to draw a line as to how many guns is "too many", especially when you could have 5-6 shotguns just for hunting different kinds of game.

 

[Keef]

That's true in the US as well unless you stay on your own property or have a concealed or open carry license.

It's perfectly legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in public. Of course, some pathetic tree-hugging socialist nancy boy will call the cops on you because he thinks you'll blow his submissive little brains out; you might get cited for getting his panties in a wad but you can still do it.

 

[Danoff]

It's perfectly legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in public.

With no open-carry license?

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

It's perfectly legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in public. Of course, some pathetic tree-hugging socialist nancy boy will call the cops on you because he thinks you'll blow his submissive little brains out; you might get cited for getting his panties in a wad but you can still do it.

This is true in Washington too.

 

[Danoff]

Same question.

 

[Keef]

That is correct. Legal though not quite socially acceptable.

 

[arora]

This happened recently in my home town, open carry is legal here. It might not be the best source, it was just the first google that popped when I looked for it.

http://www.copblock.org/23267/albuquerque-police-arrest-man-for-carrying-legal-weapons/

People need to know the laws, or try to, as Keef pointed out

EDIT: This is an important part of the story to me because the police like to consider anything you do on a bicycle or skate board or whatever included under motor vehicle laws. It kinda bites them in the ass, if you consider the transportation widget as an extension of your home.

The arrested man is correct. According to the New Mexico Department of Public Safety Web site, New Mexico is an “open-carry” state, which means citizens have the right to carry weapons in open view. Second Amendment rights are even more strongly protected in vehicles, including the vehicle the arrested man was riding—a bicycle.

 

[Joel]

That is correct. Legal though not quite socially acceptable.

Same thing here in Canada which totally surprises people. It happens a lot where someone will be walking down the road with their shotgun to the woods to go hunting, and people call the cops on them. As long as the gun isn't loaded and is a "non restricted" (read: long gun) firearm it's ok.

 

[Exorcet]

That's true in the US as well unless you stay on your own property or have a concealed or open carry license.

I can vouch for carrying AK-47, shotgun, and handgun in public. A couple of surprised faces, but other than that no trouble.

 

[Endless-Wilso]

I cant help but think all these shootings are simply related to the 2012 dooms day belief.

 

[Danoff]

That is correct. Legal though not quite socially acceptable.

I can vouch for carrying AK-47, shotgun, and handgun in public. A couple of surprised faces, but other than that no trouble.

Well it's definitely not legal in California, and it's not legal in Denver, but it may be legal in the rural areas of Colorado. I believe you can get an open cary license in Colorado. Pretty sure open carry is banned in California. You can technically get a concealed carry license in California but in practice you will not get one. They tend to "lose" your application and just never respond.

 

[Keef]

I remember one time I helped a guy carry his guns into his apartment. He was a really grumpy, scruff fellow. He lifted his AR out of his truck and started walking toward the door when his Asian neighbor looked over, though "oh ****", and scurried up the stairs like a scared kid. That was funny.

 

[Zenith]

With no open-carry license?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States

 

[Nicksfix]

It's perfectly legal in Ohio to openly carry a gun in public. Of course, some pathetic tree-hugging socialist nancy boy will call the cops on you because he thinks you'll blow his submissive little brains out; you might get cited for getting his panties in a wad but you can still do it.

With no open-carry license?

That is correct. Legal though not quite socially acceptable.

Check these out.

 

[a6m5]

Oregon is a open carry state(and no, no license, Danoff), but after that Batman shooting, you can bet your ass someone will call the police if you attempt it. It is quite outdated thing to do anyway.

Private business will often kick you out for it, and while the State of Oregon says OK, towns around where I live have prohibited them.

 

[Keef]

Private business will often kick you out for it, and while the State of Oregon says OK, towns around where I live have prohibited them.

Does the State constitution protect the right? If it does, how can cities prohibit them? Cities have to work within their state's constitution, eh?