September 10th 2008, CERN

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Which do you believe?

  • Money well spent, looking forward to it.

    Votes: 56 88.9%

  • Too dear and dangerous, mankind has no right to attempt to play 'God'

    Votes: 7 11.1%
  • Total voters
    63
GT4 genius
The collider is a pure vacuum at very near absolute zero -273*C. Before any particle has a chance to reach you you would explode due to lack of atmospheric pressure then the bits of you would vaporize as if they were being boiled, even though the temperature is so low. If, by some bizarre means, that didnt happen you and you got hit with one of these things, chances are I doubt it would kill you. These collisions are tiny sum atomic sized, yes the energies are huge, but the momentums are tiny. So if a collision occurred in your head I guess you would probably get a severe tumor in a few years, or you would turn into a super hero! :dopey:
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Just like Dr. Manhattan! http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1405/dr20manhattan203ml8.jpg

With the power to withstand shrinkage at absolute zero. :dopey:
 
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The amount of coverage this has gotten in the UK as 'the possible end of the world' is an absolute joke. Many of my friends had to be set straight as to what was happening (most thought they were setting out to make a huge black hole...) and on Radio 1 this morning one of the hosts was telling Katy Perry that they might all be dead soon.

I don't understand what's wrong with everyone over here, they're obsessed with celebrity culture and cannot understand anything unless it's explained to them by Britney Spears or Victoria Beckham.
 
Oh i thought today was the day where they would be smashing the protons into each other. I was really looking forward to this day but oh well, guess we gotta wait for another year... is Pholyphony behind this ?:odd:

Anyhow, great news no matter what.

Chris
 
Christhedude
Oh i thought today was the day where they would be smashing the protons into each other. I was really looking forward to this day but oh well, guess we gotta wait for another year... is Pholyphony behind this ?:odd:

Anyhow, great news no matter what.

Chris
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They're only 2 years late, so not as bad as Sony, cough*Home*cough! And they were never suppose to collide the particles yet. Although the will/should before the end of this year, probably not at the full 5TeV that the machine is capable of. But if things keep going at the rate they have today they could possibly be colliding things before the beginning of October. Like they set out today not expecting to get both streams of particles to do 1 complete lap of the LHC in opposite directions, but they had that done by 3 o clock their time. So they went on and did more experiments with it, I havent heard anything about them though, I think they just wanted to get the particles to do a few laps at a time and maybe increase the energy a bit.
 
Rainmaster- Why are you on here wasting your time when you could be helping those less needy or at the very least reducing your carbon emissions?
 
ExigeEvan
Rainmaster- Why are you on here wasting your time when you could be helping those less needy or at the very least reducing your carbon emissions?
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He is merely expressing his opinion, valid or not we must accept it and realise that, according to this poll, more then 13% of people agree with.
I set this thread up as a debate, not as a thread that we supporters aggressively protect against those who dont agree with such experiments.
 
Seriously, the amount of people in college who actually thought that the world was going to be caused by, basically, a giant underground doughnut, was astounding. I tried to explain. Like talking to a brick wall.
 
GT4 genius
He is merely expressing his opinion, valid or not we must accept it and realise that, according to this poll, more then 13% of people agree with.
I set this thread up as a debate, not as a thread that we supporters aggressively protect against those who dont agree with such experiments.
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I certainly didn't say he was wrong, but I did put forward quite a strong question to him. If he, or yourself, felt I was rubbishing his opinion then I apoligize, but the question still stands.

The fact is this experiemnt is pretty damn huge. Who knows what exactly it will discover or what spin-offs will come from it in the future. And for rainmaster to rubbish it as purely a bunch of guys having abit of fun with our money is pretty damn offensive to alot of people.
 
ExigeEvan
Rainmaster- Why are you on here wasting your time when you could be helping those less needy or at the very least reducing your carbon emissions?
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mind your own business.

science is a questionable thing so why did my criticism piss you off that much?
 
Rainmaster
mind your own business.

science is a questionable thing so why did my criticism piss you off that much?
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Questionable in what way exactly? its always worth questioning things but your purely writing something off as a waste because you can't understand it, doesn't sound as if you have questioned it much yourself. Its easy to say the money should have been spent elsewhere on this and that, things suits you or your morals better but putting things like 'its not saving starving children at the moment'? how do you know nothing is going to come of this that will save millions of people indirectly in the long run? How do you know the quick fix of throwing millions at starving people is the right thing to do at the moment, when we can look at long term goals which may allow us to prolong the human races survival in the the long run.

Would you rather save 1 million people right now or 10 billion people in 200 years time?

I am not saying the LHC will save anyone, it may be a huge failiure in respect to inventing revolutionary technology and that was billions wasted, but if we don't try how will we ever improve our situation we could still live like animals so to speak but theres something about humans that makes them want to learn, explore and find new posabilities. CERN is a perfect examples of humans going out their way to explore the unknown, some may consider this a waste of time money resources but its an absolute garentee that there wouldn't be a human race as we know it without following that instinct. Theres and extremely good chance that this project will find new things which will help us understand and invent new technology that will help us, for that reason I think its money well spent.
 
Rainmaster
mind your own business.
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A worthy reply.

science is a questionable thing so why did my criticism piss you off that much?
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Because you came across as if your opinion was above that of any other. You could have made your statment in a much better way. To state that this will not cure starvation, death, cancer or war is short sighted and and not healthy discussion. I attempted to bring discussion to your opinions, perhaps I didn't make it the nicest way possible but I did attempt.

Opinions are, in my opinion, worthless unless you discuss them.
 
Famine
Posted in a public internet forum. Go you! 👍



Posted on the internet, using a computer. Damned science, getting in the way.

Also, science is a questioning thing.
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oh hello Mr/Ms know-it-all
I'm glad you're here.

Ok I'm walking away from this thread with this picture
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Despite being a highly scientifically orientated person, I can understand criticism of projects such as these. I was in a similar discussion about the latest Mars mission not too long ago. I think that the problem for the criticising person lies within the amount of money and work being spent on something that might never generate any valuable knowledge. This way of thinking is kind of natural, because in daily life, you usually get what you pay for. Pay little and get little, pay more and get more. Here, it is pay a lot and probably get nothing at all.

My reply to this is pretty simple: we'll probably learn nothing from doing this. But ... we probably will. And that new knowledge might change everything. We live our daily lives, but we don't even know how something as basic as the mass of an object works. What if the hadron collider helps us to learn how it works, and we'll be able to invent techniques we just didn't think possible before? What if those techniques revolutionise the way we generate energy? What if we'll be able to generate energy without using up natural resources and discussible ways such as nuclear power? Isn't that worth spending a lot of money and work on a device like the hadron collider?

Like I said, I can understand that people question science like this, simply because benefits are hard to see and not guaranteed. The fact that such a benefit might improve all our lives tomorrow is worth the effort though. At least that's what I'm thinking...
 
Wouldn't that be stunning if they had started it tomorrow and it actually did cause a black hole?

The curse of September 11 lol.
 
I think this experiment is important for humankind and our quest for knowledge. We aren't 100% sure what the results will be so it could very well help us as a species. I'm all for putting technology forward and expanding our knowledge. Reading about the Hadron Collider today I couldn't help but just be floored how impressive it all is.
 
Disregarding my earlier post, I'd have to say my only real concern about this is what happens if something is discovered that someone, somewhere would want to use for destructive purposes?
 
Yes, I suppose so. It's still a legitimate concern, but not in any way something that would make me want to freak out like some people already have.
 
Rainmaster
oh hello Mr/Ms know-it-all
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No scientist would ever say they knew everything. Science is about exploring what we don't know.

But you can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel all nice and warm inside.
 

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