September 11th 2007

[Mark T]

I thought we should have a new thread to remember all those who lost there lives on this tragic day.

The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11—pronounced "nine eleven") consisted of a series of coordinated terrorist[2] suicide attacks by Islamic extremists on that date upon the United States of America.

That morning nineteen terrorists[3] affiliated with al-Qaeda[4] hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners. Each team of hijackers included a trained pilot. The hijackers intentionally crashed two of the airliners (United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11) into the World Trade Center in New York City, one plane into each tower (1 WTC and 2 WTC), resulting in the collapse of both buildings soon afterward and irreparable damage to nearby buildings. The hijackers crashed a third airliner (American Airlines Flight 77) into the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, near Washington, D.C. Passengers and members of the flight crew on the fourth aircraft (United Airlines Flight 93) attempted to retake control of their plane from the hijackers;[5] that plane crashed into a field near the town of Shanksville in rural Somerset County, Pennsylvania. In addition to the 19 hijackers, 2,974 people died as an immediate result of the attacks, and the death of at least one person from lung disease was ruled by a medical examiner to be a result of exposure to WTC dust.[6] Another 24 people are missing and presumed dead. The victims were predominantly civilians.

My thoughts go out to all those affected by the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

[a6m5]

The attack was evil, and it made me hate the Muslim terrorists forever. That may sound funny, but before 9/11, I think I was kind of in denial. Talk about a slap back to reality.

 

[V1P3R]

I don't mean to sound heartless and cold but can we not relive this on the news over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over like the years before. I mean yeah, it's good to show respect and all but we all know what happened already. Yah know... ?

 

[Touring Mars]

As the years since the terrible events on 9/11 progress, one can't help wondering just how and why we see what we are seeing today - Bin Laden is alive and very much up-to-date with current affairs. Meanwhile, in Iraq, where not one iota of evidence was ever found to link Saddam's regime with the terrible events of 2001, the US military is increasingly bogged down in a bloody sectarian battle and another 3700 Americans have died since 2003.

Lest we forget the threat of terrorism and the terrible cost in innocent human lives - and may the victims never be forgotten. But at the same time, lest we forget the utter incompetence with which George W. Bush has presided over the aftermath, with the real perpetrators of this terrible crime going largely unpunished...

 

[Joey D]

I don't mean to sound heartless and cold but can we not relive this on the news over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over like the years before. I mean yeah, it's good to show respect and all but we all know what happened already. Yah know... ?

So you just want to never talk about it again? It's a major event in world history and it's going to be talked about for a long time. We didn't just stop talking about Pearl Harbor because a few years have past, did we? No we didn't. Plus things are still going on, bin Ladin has released a new video, we are talking about a withdrawal from Iraq, and so on. These are big world events that came about through 9/11, whether you agree with being in Iraq or not.

If you don't want to hear about 9/11 then don't go into a thread labeled it.

 

[Alfaholic]

As the years since the terrible events on 9/11 progress, one can't help wondering just how and why we see what we are seeing today - Bin Laden is alive and very much up-to-date with current affairs. Meanwhile, in Iraq, where not one iota of evidence was ever found to link Saddam's regime with the terrible events of 2001, the US military is increasingly bogged down in a bloody sectarian battle and another 3700 Americans have died since 2003.

Lest we forget the threat of terrorism and the terrible cost in innocent human lives - and may the victims never be forgotten. But at the same time, lest we forget the utter incompetence with which George W. Bush has presided over the aftermath, with the real perpetrators of this terrible crime going largely unpunished...

What he said. 👍

 

[V1P3R]

So you just want to never talk about it again? It's a major event in world history and it's going to be talked about for a long time.

It happened... and unfortunately it will probably happen again because frankly, if "they" (the terrorist) really wanted to do something like this again they could with no warning. Again, not to sound cold but we made such a big specktical (sp?) of this event yet in other countries (especially at war) this even would be a drop in the bucket of the amount of lives lost. It would be more productive to figure out maybe why people hate the US so much or figure out ways to make people like us but yeah... reliving the even over and over and over does nothing. Yes, again respect and remembrance for the people that lost their lives but that's about it.

We didn't just stop talking about Pearl Harbor because a few years have past, did we? No we didn't.

Funny, The 9/11 event shows we didn't learn anything since then so yeah it probably doesn't make a difference if we arn't going to learn anything from it. Not that they are directly related.

Plus things are still going on, bin Ladin has released a new video, we are talking about a withdrawal from Iraq, and so on.

Yeah, I saw and whether we withdrawal or not what will happen... hmm... maybe another attack? 💡

whether you agree with being in Iraq or not.

Never said anything about that...

 

[Mark T]

I don't mean to sound heartless and cold but can we not relive this on the news over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over like the years before. I mean yeah, it's good to show respect and all but we all know what happened already. Yah know... ?

Well you don't have to visit this thread, you could always watch the news or whatever you want to do. This thread isn't just to remember but also to discuss what has happened since.

Important moments in history should always be remembered, whether it's through a forum, the TV, newspaper or down the pub with friends.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

Well you don't have to visit this thread, you could always watch the news or whatever you want to do. This thread isn't just to remember but also to discuss what has happened since.

And that is what he is doing? expressing his opinion about it. I happen to agree with DWA, It was a shocking event, and I agree we remember and pray for the victims of that incident, but do you know that in each 4 seconds, one people dies of hunger? And yet, no one seems to remember that…and what the rich countries care/do? They spend money in the wars with no meaning like the Iraq war. I know that this is a bit off-topic but has Mark T said:

also to discuss what has happened since

 

[Joey D]

See you aren't from the US, you don't see it the same way we do. Just like people here don't really understand the London Underground bombings or the attempted terrorist attacks over the summer.

 

[Mark T]

And that is what he is doing? expressing his opinion about it. I happen to agree with DWA, It was a shocking event, and I agree we remember and pray for the victims of that incident, but do you know that in each 4 seconds, one people dies of hunger? And yet, no one seems to remember that…and what the rich countries care/do? They spend money in the wars with no meaning like the Iraq war. I know that this is a bit off-topic but has Mark T said:

I have nothing against him discussing the events since but when he posts things like "I don't mean to sound heartless and cold but can we not relive this on the news over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over like the years before" it sounds as though he is bored of hearing about it. It's just not necessary in a thread like this.

You mentioned something in your post about people starving. That's a completely different discussion and should be placed in the Opinions/current events section.

 

[ceiling_fan]

I read this last night:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2446

 

[Mark T]

I watched the videos on YouTube this morning and it brought back so many memories. I remember watching it on telly, it was so surreal, just like I was dreaming.

I still feel so shocked and angry when I see the video.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Lest we forget the threat of terrorism and the terrible cost in innocent human lives - and may the victims never be forgotten. But at the same time, lest we forget the utter incompetence with which George W. Bush has presided over the aftermath, with the real perpetrators of this terrible crime going largely unpunished...

George W. Bush is one of the real perpetrators of this crime. So are Cheney and all their cohorts. It's common knowledge that these guys knew about what was going to happen before 9/11 occured. Either they didn't take the threat seriously, or they didnt' think it possible to happen. But i really doubt the leaders of America "made 9/11 happen" as all the conspiracy theorists say;"There's too much real-estate involved", as Frank Zappa once said. They were just in denial about the possibility of 9/11. But by being in denial, they were effectively part of the problem--an accessory to the crime.

On the other hand, they know exactly where Bin Laden & the main outposts of al Quaeda are, but they can't just go in and wipe them out...why ...then they'd have no real excuse to be in the middle east anymore....so instead they lead us on with excuses; and use bin Laden's occasional communications as a reason to keep us all in fear.

...don't forget the real reason they put us over there: to try & get cheap oil! 👎 They assumed we'd just go in Iraq, wipe out the power, and all the folks over there would be so thrilled to be rid of Saddam, the war would be over in 6 months. They never anticipated all that's gone wrong.

 

[AMG.]

Lest we forget the threat of terrorism and the terrible cost in innocent human lives - and may the victims never be forgotten. But at the same time, lest we forget the utter incompetence with which George W. Bush has presided over the aftermath, with the real perpetrators of this terrible crime going largely unpunished...

There are always 2 sides to a coin and I believe the Western world should also take the blame. Governments want oil and will do whatever it takes to get it. Perhaps we were the instigators that in the end provoked this highly publicised attack. I dont approve of the attack but we surely must also look at our own actions.

AMG.

 

[Pako]

I think of the events of 9/11 at least daily. Oddly enough, it seems when ever I look at the clock it's 9:11 which is a constant reminder of the events 6 years ago. I also found it odd that my registration was due on my car on 9/11 (so I took care of that this morning....).

Anyone else willing to admit being strange like me?

 

[DuckRacer]

bin Ladin has released a new video,

Wait a sec – just today?

 

[Touring Mars]

Bin Laden released a new video last week, undated, but he mentions up-to-date events - like the premierships of Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy... today, a video tape carrying an audio message allegedly from Bin Laden was released to mark the anniversary of 9/11, which was accompanied by a still image of Bin Laden, but is believed to be authentic. (Source)

In the first (actual) video, Bin Laden urges the US to convert to Islam, and also mentions various other slightly odd details, including some back-handed praise of the left-wing scholar Noam Chomsky. In the audio message released today, he praises one of the hijackers but also goes on to discuss other issues, including (bizarrely) the current lending crisis in the US property market , raising a few questions about the authenticity of the new message...

 

[YSSMAN]

For the most part, I think its safe to say that 9/11 made me what I am today; Less than two weeks into my freshman year of high school, everything came crashing down around you. You realized how completely screwed up our world was, and furthermore, what kind of crap I'm going to have to deal with for the rest of my life... High School and College aside.

I clearly remember sitting in Mr. Pulliam's computer class in room 225 when a teacher came in from another room; Just as we turned on the TV to see what the hell was going on, the second plane hit the building, and so began the day of disbelief. I do recall it being a bright, sunny day as well... Not a cloud in the sky.

Truthfully, its what made me become more active than ever in politics, foreign policy, and an overly pro-US stance on every issue. Sure, times have changed a bit since then (thanks for messing up a good thing in Washington, boys), but it still remains much the same.

You have to hope and pray that something like this never happens again, but the simple truth is that it is pretty much inevitable that we will be attacked somewhere, sometime, probably with more intensity and a greater level of destruction.

If there is one thing I miss from that day, its the level of understanding that every American had that afternoon. Everyone got along, people were nice, we saw flags waving, people actually cared for once... Something that just isn't happening anymore. Too bad really, maybe we'd actually be able to get things done.

EDIT:

The demands of Bin-Laden and his cohorts are outrageous. Its worth a laugh, to say the least. Furthermore, I've never understood why so few Liberals have read it and understood it, basically, to realize what road lies ahead for the US and it's Allies.

 

[Driving Park]

That was a very bad day for me... I was in 3rd grade, they let us out when it happened, and all the teachers were crying... I got home and it was on the news, we saw it happen live, then over and over and over from different views. My family and I were basically silent for about 3 hours.

But on a positive note, the new, multi-tower World Trade Center being planned will show the world that we can recover to the fullest extent from something like 9/11.

Here's something I found that should cheer you up, I'm not a Muslim but it's still something:

(From the Muslim Bible, the Koran)

Verse 9:11 -

For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah: and there was peace.

Notice the verse number.

:-)

 

[daan]

THere's something I found that should cheer you up, I'm not a Muslim but it's still something:

(From the Muslim Bible, the Koran)

Verse 9:11 -

For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah: and there was peace.

Notice the verse number.

:-)

Not true

 

[Driving Park]

Sorry, Quran. Where I read it it said it was in the Koran. Double-crossers!

:-)

 

[daan]

Sorry, Quran. Where I read it it said it was in the Koran. Double-crossers!

:-)

Its the same thing, and its still not true.

 

[///M-Spec]

There are always 2 sides to a coin and I believe the Western world should also take the blame. Governments want oil and will do whatever it takes to get it. Perhaps we were the instigators that in the end provoked this highly publicised attack. I dont approve of the attack but we surely must also look at our own actions.

AMG.

I must respectfully disagree with this.

Would you tell Arabs that they should also take the blame for the invasion of Iraq, and in the end perhaps the Arab-Muslim world were the instigators that provoked that highly publicized attack?


M

 

[Danoff]

I don't see any reason that remembering the thousands of lives claimed by the terrorist attacks from 9/11/01 needs to become an attack or defense of US foreign policy, the Bush administration, US energy consumption, or any of the above (see the America thread in the opinions forum for that).

I do think it's important to keep in mind the atrocities of the date and remember that we have not eliminated the leader of the organization responsible.

 

[TopHat]

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

[socomplayer2]

This event was probably the most emotionally scarring moment in my life so far. It has changed my views and demeanor on many things. Living in New Jersey were a good amount of the victims were from and seeing the towers on a weekly basis it is still surreal to me. Nyc is only a few train stations away and being there as a kid and seeing the towers up close and knowing people who were there its just crazy, my uncle was even the former head of security of the wtc.......That morning, before I knew what happened I remember playing outside at recess and smelling and see the smoke. I hope all who are responsible will burn in hell for all eternity.

I love America, God bless it!

 

[Sureboss]

There are always 2 sides to a coin and I believe the Western world should also take the blame. Governments want oil and will do whatever it takes to get it. Perhaps we were the instigators that in the end provoked this highly publicised attack. I dont approve of the attack but we surely must also look at our own actions.

AMG.

I agree, when you try and control what other people do it's not surprising they retaliate. Of course I'm not condoning the 9/11 attacks, but maybe if we intervened less in other peoples lives, of which we've done for hundreds of years, maybe there'd be less hatred.

 

[Philly]

I remember that morning very well. I walked into my 0-hour French class to see the TV on and one of the towers smoking. Being me, I instinctively asked what movie we were watching. When they said that it was real TV, I kinda sat back and watched. Still not knowing what exactly what was going on, I remember thinking it was kinda cool. Bu then again, I am a very insensitive person who for some reason enjoys watching chaos.

I hope all who are responsible will burn in hell for all eternity.

This is the kind of attitude I cannot stand. The terrorists did this because they hate us. Why are we going to stoop down to our level? I think we should take it with pride, get over the fact that it happened (which means stop whining, however, we should still pay our respects to those who died), convince them that they can't hurt us, and be mature about it. Wanting to blow up the whole middle east makes us just as much a terrorist as the guy over there who wants to blow up the whole western world.

 

[socomplayer2]

This is the kind of attitude I cannot stand. The ists did this because they us. Why are we going to stoop down to our level? I think we should take it with pride, get over the fact that it happened (which means stop whining, however, we should still pay our respects to those who died), convince them that they can't hurt us, and be mature about it. Wanting to blow up the whole middle east makes us just as much a ist as the guy over there who wants to blow up the whole western world.

Yea I ists and they us but more importantly they also killed.... no, massacred so many of our people who were just trying to earn a living and feed there families. I never even brought up blowing up the middle east in this thread. I apologized for my comments on the last 9-11 thread, its over.

Why is it wrong for us to hate the kind of people who are responsible for the worst single attack on our soil in hundreds of years if not ever?