Shadow GT3A Disc or Internet Wag Mirage?

[DeLoreanBrown]

I purchased a GT3A PAL disc in March 2002 when i first got my hands on the PS2, it was subsequently stolen from me in an incident mentioned here.​

The disc i currently possess is a platinum release of the title (still PAl) which i acquired in October of last year, i have'nt had the time to indulge playing 3 but recently i went back for some experiments on the Complex String, got in to one of my Formulas & . . .

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Where have my Tyres gone?


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In 4 they only allocate medium slicks for the FGT, it is not possible to install items on this vehicle so when the same situation cropped up in 3 i did a double take. Say What?
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Now there is no way i got through the Formula GT series of that disc w/out my trusty Hard & Super Hard slicks. I had the full tyreage complement of that ime certain. Go to the Tuners & get a message of it not being possible to acquire any new tyre sets (iforget what AFPS2).


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With this discrepancy in mind i got into my griff500 & went to the PD cup, the reason?​

On the initial PAL disc it was possible to enter the cup in stock form but w/ a sole exception; Sports Brakes. Trust me it is indelible in my mind that this was possible, but sho 'nuff; the rules have been friggin broken.


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PD went to the bother of removing two very helpfull aspects of Gameplay, Why? To make it more difficult for Platinum cheapskates? To turn the old nippon thumbscrew?


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Anyways, Anyone out there to confirm or refute this? Maybe some fine tuning research could be done for the wiki on this as it seems that there are differences between releases as well as regions. What is the status of these 2 items on the NTSC offering? ime aware that there is a buried lambo & a porsche on there.



Chiz, C
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[Greycap]

I have a "normal" PAL GT3 (bought in December 2001) and the Formula can only have Racing Mediums on it. I wish it could have superhards but only the mediums have been allowed, ever.

I don't know about the PD Cup, I only used different tyres there but this just has to be asked: are you sure that your Griffith doesn't have any other parts applied? There is always the possibility of a human error.

I'm not saying that the Platinum couldn't be different, but I highly doubt it.

 

[Scaff]

My GT3 is a release day PAL copy and thats FGT on Meds only.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave A]

Mines a first line up copy too, the FGT's never have been able to have any other tyres but the racing mediums. Regarding the sports brakes being allowed in the PD cup, are you sure your not crossing GT3 with GT4, in GT4 you can enter modifed cars into it, in GT3 the car has to be bone stock in every way exept for the tyres, not the brakes.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

I am 100% positive about the Formula being able to acquire the full compliment of tyres, it now seems the disc that was stolen was pretty exceptional. It was'nt a release day disc but it certainly had this facility. A few playstation discs that got nabbed i now realize are impossible to acquire, there is something definitely up with this.
About the PD cup; on the disc i am concerned about it was possible on a stock car to equip it with one upgrade; Sports Brakes. This is no longer the case.
I am firmly of the belief that there was more than one version of the PAl disc on european release. It is intensely frustrating that i now have no solid proof of this (edit; apart from ny replays).
Thanks for the feedback, i suppose you all think i have been abusing memory altering substances but because this has slipped down the back of the couch i am now in a curious bind; what was the disc i originaly possessed? Certainly the AI Formulas only ran medium rubber but, YES!, i have replays to prove that my vehicle had more staying power on the slicks front in competition, it was kinda the cheat that helped w/ the most grueling part of the game.

Is there anyone w/ an Aussie PAL disc that can check these differences?

Thanks all 👍

 

[Dave A]

No Formula cars in GT3 or GT4 could have their tyre's changed, not in the NTSC-J, NTSC or PAL versions, and unlike GT2, GT3 was not changed over time, there was no bug's that were fixed after the game launched. The platinum edition is exactley the same as the release edition barring the packaging, and there was no other editions inbetween. And anyone could make their Formula tyre's last longer than the AI's in GT3, they were all mediums but the AI didn't pit at the best times.

 

[Sambert]

i suppose you all think i have been abusing memory altering substances

Perhaps

Is there anyone w/ an Aussie PAL disc that can check these differences?

Launch-day Aussie copy has the same restrictions as described above.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

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This has stumped me for now, so best just leave it.

If anything else comes to light, i will return.

 

[Famine]

Certainly the AI Formulas only ran medium rubber but, YES!, i have replays to prove that my vehicle had more staying power on the slicks front in competition

If you have a MaxDrive/Sharkport/XPort, e-mail me the replays. If you don't, get one and THEN e-mail me the replays.

I have a launch day GT3 AND an NTSC-J one. FGT = race medium tyres only.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

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Anyone w/ a NTSC disc like to add to the ignominy?

 

[graveslids]

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Anyone w/ a NTSC disc like to add to the ignominy?

I have both original release and greatest hits/platinum copies of GT3 NTSC U/C and neither are coded to allow changing of tires on the formula cars.

The only way I have gone about changing the tires on the formula cars was using Mk's and a sharkport, with the results being far from rewarding.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

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I used only code from the PD disc on GT3a & happily changed the tyres on my Poly001 for something like Four Years before this Century turned Permanently Weird.

 

[graveslids]

You've lost me on that one ^. Are you talking code from the actual disc itself "lightly shuffled" with the help of a computer? From your earlier posts it seemed as though you were saying that tire changes were hard coded into the retail disc you owned.

 

[Dave A]

Seriously, there are no versions of GT3 where you could put anything but racing mediums on the formula cars, maybe if you hacked the game code with a hacking device or created a modified copy of game disk there might be a way, but as it is, that's not possible.

 

[Famine]

I'll add that even if you WERE to do that you wouldn't get super-sticky or super-hard F1-grade tyres, since the only tyres coded onto the disc for F1 cars were race mediums. If you put T1s on they'd be from a different car in the game and adopt the look of that car's wheels.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

You've lost me on that one ^. Are you talking code from the actual disc itself "lightly shuffled" with the help of a computer? From your earlier posts it seemed as though you were saying that tire changes were hard coded into the retail disc you owned.

Sorry, that is what i meant, the disc yielded the tyre sets plus one other pecularity that i was aware of and only by interacting here have i found that these are some sort of freak occurences. If i had not asked this question i would'nt have thought these so unusual. If i had managed to keep this disc and come across this difference, my mood would be completely different.

People who have sharked these are manipulating specific discs. Live4Speed also seems to have some particular knowledge of all discs released by Sony worldwide from PD. How are you so sure? Have you contacted their marketing, i am considering trying to track down through email someone with sufficient authority as this is begining to affect my health.

 

[Dave A]

I can tell you theres no patched GT3 A-Spec disks from Sony. The content on the release daay disks is exactley the same as on the final platinum disks and so on. In the US the content is a little different to the UK and in Japan it's a little different again but all the NTSC-J disks are the same content, all the NTSC disks have the same content and all the PAL disks have the same content. By all means contact a rep at SCEE and they'll probably get back to you, but the answer will be the same as what you've already been given. And as Famine said, the tyre set your talking about isn't even coded into the game so even by some fluke bug that gave your F1 car racing hard's from another car (whch honestly is the only way to get them on an F1 car), the cars wheels would look like thoes of the car the tyre's came from.

 

[Uncle Harry]

DeLorean Brown, did you use a LM car for the F1 series? Then it would be possible to fit harder rubber.
Definetely no modifications allowed in the PD cup in GT3. My GT3 copy was original release PAL version Australia.
Maybe you had purchased the brake upgrade for another race event and then removed them in the settings screen in the top speed test and then entered the PD cup.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

DeLorean Brown, did you use a LM car for the F1 series? Then it would be possible to fit harder rubber.
Definetely no modifications allowed in the PD cup in GT3. My GT3 copy was original release PAL version Australia.
Maybe you had purchased the brake upgrade for another race event and then removed them in the settings screen in the top speed test and then entered the PD cup.

I am not going to drive myself nuts trying to fend off other possibilities.

I have already thought long & hard about the possibility that i could have mistaken my f1 baby for something like the 787b. No, simply my memory could not distort that way if what i am saying is complete tosh and my brain is scarred.
A) No LM as far as i know would have anything like an easy victory in the Formula GT championship, excluding the speedway and the test course.
B) Whilst i was doing the championship i kept remarking how the player rubber left it a big advantage over the AI, which was stuck in the quite short medium cycle. Since the tyres on the AI are never named, but are obviously medium for the F1 i felt it a break from the way the AI for other enduros & lengthy series applied their rubber, i.e other AI seemed to have 'choice' in the matter, whilst the formulas did not.
C) I have maybe three different gamesaves and a number of replays that may shed some light on this in the upcoming weeks. Only one of these gamesaves has been overwritten by the recently purchased disc. If nothing else i know for a fact that i have a two to three lapper of the Complex that will not be on medium/medium. But, at the moment, ime not sure if i have any direct AI comparisons as these are usually giant saves & w/ limited card space & no drive lifting ability at the mo they are v.unlikely to be still there.

As to the PD cup, again when i stumbled on this feature using the mystery disc, i thought it was quirky as hell but i was not about to pass up the opportunity to firm up the brakes when i was running the complete championship. There are quirks to the GT4 disc that i can reproduce for you no probs that people even now wish to dispute or ignore when i post about them. Yet they're there & they won't disappear, at least not from the disc i now have knife&fist protected. So i am convinced i am not insane & that PD are a far quirkier and more individualistic design house than most people on here seem to care.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

I'm going to add in my weight here:

- my PAL copy of GT3 didn't allow me to change tyres on the F1s. It was set to cause me big problems at Monaco, but I tweaked the setup to take off the rear toe (set inexplicably at -3 by default), and got much better tyre life as a result. AI simply can't drive the F1 cars, and so any reasonably competent driver could drive in a way so as to feel that they had better tyres.

- The only modifications allowed in "stock" races in GT3 are oil changes and tyres.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

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Having the full tyre set was soooo wonderfull that i had to add positive front toe (+1) on top of reducing the excessive negative rear (-2) on a Hard/Hard Setup.
It (this is all in my memory cells[/warning]) sometimes was necessary to even out tyre wear w/ a Hard/SuperHard setup but the handling suffered, positive front toe (though slightly 'draggy') became necessary. Staying out longer in the pool is one of my abiding memories.

Don't even get me started on the ecstasy of a SuperSoft/Soft setup 'round the 'String.