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Should Polyphony team up with Evolution Studios?
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Essential reading for anyone that thinks throwing more people at a project will gain instant positive results and get the job done faster/better:
Edit: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs1104/HLL/Brooks.html
Especially applies when those people are thousands of miles away.
Edit: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs1104/HLL/Brooks.html
Especially applies when those people are thousands of miles away.
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The official site disagrees:
PS4 won't make modeling any quicker either, since they don't do the modeling on the console, but on computers running programs like Maya.
It's the start of the weekend, and I needed a good laugh. Thanks for that one
Anyways, I'd have no problem with PD teaming up with Evo Studios for asset sharing in the case of car models. It's pretty obvious they can't keep up with the competition on their own, so if that's the only option other than hiring a bunch of new hands, I'd do it. Driveclub's model fidelity looks fantastic.
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Im strongly considering writing an email to Jack Trenton advising him to give Kaz an ultimatum, either join up and work together with my team of project managers for the KING of all Driving Sim games where Sony outsources the driving physics tech to PD and Sony controls the customer experience, or Gran Turismo never gets sold for Playstation again. Kaz has lost it. He is throwing away MILLIONS by making a game only he wants. Control must be taken from him. Surrender the tech or your employees are jobless. I can cast a much better profitable vision for what customers want than Kaz can. I'll sell more consoles and units and restore the trust in the Gran Turismo name. If I write the letter, I'll post it here. Its likely too late to save GT7, but GT8 can dominate the market the likes of which will never be seen if Im in charge. I need a new job too. Maybe Jack will be impressed when I point out to him everything that SHOULD be done in a GT game and how to treat the customers for maximum long term profit. Im going to play GT6 a bit, then I'll write the mother of all advice emails. Its not personal Kaz, its just business. And better business demands you lose control of one of Sonys cash cows.
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You don't "code" a car. The only thing being on PS4 will do is make it so PD will put even more detailed models into the next game; but that is simply a by product of them having more power to play with rather than ease of development.
Torque steer.
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Nope, because GT is a simulator, and DC a mix between simulator and arcade, but for what I saw, more arcade than simulator.
GT7 will be a reality in one or two years, that's a fact. But a I want a Wipeout made by Evolution Studios, since Studio Liverpool doesn't exist anymore.
GT7 will be a reality in one or two years, that's a fact. But a I want a Wipeout made by Evolution Studios, since Studio Liverpool doesn't exist anymore.
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My apologies, I didn't write the book or own Amazon or anything.
Here is a more independant link with quotes:
http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs1104/HLL/Brooks.html
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I disagree with this idea, but it got me thinking. If Evolution Studios really did "work together" with car manufacturers like Koenigsegg, Hennessey tuning, RUF etc, why would the companies get involved with a developer that has not released a licensed racing game since WRC Rally Evolved in 2005, why can't PD do it?
There had been suggestions/rumors that PD were asked by the car makers to feature their cars, but I can see why brands mentioned earlier would not touch PD for that reason. Evolution Studios working with the manufacturers meant that they are the ones going to the car companies. If licensing is involved, it had to go to Sony, so that means anyone from SCE's studios can use the licenses. Just like how Real Racing 3 is able to feature Porsche, much to my chagrin of their BS-talk in the dev videos.
So potentially PD has a chance to feature Koenigsegg, but it would be a while till then.
But I do not see Evolution Studios working together with PD. Especially in trade.
There had been suggestions/rumors that PD were asked by the car makers to feature their cars, but I can see why brands mentioned earlier would not touch PD for that reason. Evolution Studios working with the manufacturers meant that they are the ones going to the car companies. If licensing is involved, it had to go to Sony, so that means anyone from SCE's studios can use the licenses. Just like how Real Racing 3 is able to feature Porsche, much to my chagrin of their BS-talk in the dev videos.
So potentially PD has a chance to feature Koenigsegg, but it would be a while till then.
But I do not see Evolution Studios working together with PD. Especially in trade.
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Whilst I understand you aren't in agreement with the idea (me too) the rest of what you are saying here confuses me.
Are you saying closer tie ups with manufacturers are the solution to a better product delivered faster?
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Ah, I could have sworn more recent commentary stated otherwise - my mistake then and apologies to Duphman.
My understanding was that the coding was indeed done on a computer, using the PS4 software coding software. I do see what you mean about the images themselves not being coded, just what is done with the models is probably what I mean to say.
I think Jack Tretton would simply say, okay prove it...and see if you could create a game to take on GT before giving you Kaz's shoes.
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It will end up being handled by the junk filter I imagine.
Even if this advice was accepted, and Kaz refused to do the tie up, I strongly suspect Kaz has the respect and support of his team. In which case he would sling his hook, setup PD v2.0, which would mysteriously end up with the same employees as the Sony subsidiary that is PD.
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Not exactly. I don't intend to mean that good relationships with manufacturers mean quicker development output. What I meant is PD can utilize Koenigsegg now that Sony has licenses for it to use it for Evolution Studios, along with other makes. It's like trying to befriend an acquaintance's acquaintance.
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Do you have any sort of source that says the Koenigsegg license for Drive Club is some sort of umbrella-approach for Sony, and any of their studios can use it?
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Only thing is Gm and Fird arearch rivals. Evo and Pd may be rivals but there on the same fence being sony exclusive....which is why i think it was delayed to help GT6 a little
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This thread should be titled "does anyone want a free roam?", oh wait.......
PD would get the crappy part of the stick, they'll bring the physics, cars, and tracks, what does the other bring?
GT horizon, not a fan of!
PD would get the crappy part of the stick, they'll bring the physics, cars, and tracks, what does the other bring?
GT horizon, not a fan of!
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I would be interested in seeing Evos and PD partner up, though I can't imagine it ever happening. The GT franchise needs a kick in the pants quite honestly, as it has been treading water for nearly a decade now. Polyphony's attention to detail is second to none, but they are far too set in their ways, too unwilling to recognize their weaknesses or take a look at what the competition is doing and adapt. Evolution could bring a nice chance of perspective to a franchise that is struggling to find new ways to innovate. The concept behind Driveclub is very interesting and could bring another dimension to GT's online experience. Of course such a partnership would never, ever happen; GT is Kaz's baby and he would never relinquish control, and Sony realizes that. But eventually, something's got to give. The PS3 generation seems to have been by far the most challenging for PD, and I'm really hoping they can start off on the right foot and begin anew with GT7.
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Waking up a thread because this!
Seeing what it can do it would fit GT7 perfect. Long races in coursemakerstyle environments.
Night/day transitions, great graphics and sound. Seems like they can scale realism too and great online features + what i can see, ai seems ok
Sure real life tracks and tuning options + some more cars and GT7 is a fact. Actually with this engine i wonder if they license it more can start doing racing games.
Fairly sure he left Sony recently.
Regarding the OP the two studios make very different kinds of driving games but they could help each other by comparing notes i.e. Pd could help Evolution with areas like physics simulation, while they could give PD some tips on community features, Ps4 development, sound engineering etc.
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I really want PD to collaborate with other studios. I asked this question in the Kaz Q&A section but nobody seems to care...
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This would be a great thing that would help both, as it seems that Evolution Studios has a better and well thought out online connectivity center. If they were to pool their assets, Sony would be able to consolidate licenses to cover scope of games created by both teams so getting lots of cars would be less of a headache. Some of the ideas of a Horizon type GT game with like a couple of hundred cars and 3 locales of about 100 sq.km to drive around wouldn't be bad at all. Or a GT with super detailed models, full music to your ears engine notes and a more human element added to racing. I found the whole oh look the driver in DC has a face and skin and he actually gets into the car, there are actually bystanders on the roadsides. PD's physics simulation could be tweaked for DC to give it the balance that they are seeking for an sim/arcade racing for those not wanting the full GT by the clinical reference numbers game play.
I see a win for both teams as they should be able to work well with one another and get those headlights fixed on DC, sorry but PD guys are monsters in the field of 3D model recreation, cataloging might be an issue but when it comes to recreating the proportions and detail, PD is beyond any other console developer in that light.
I was checking out Evolution Studios gubbin's on DC and these guys have seriously dug in deep, like PD deep. They do the round about thing of creating the simulation of something to represent it correctly like heating up of brake discs and how light goes through some surfaces and refracts to create the rainbow effect on headlamp casings on some cars. It's bizarre, I think they'd be a perfect fit for one another.
I see a win for both teams as they should be able to work well with one another and get those headlights fixed on DC, sorry but PD guys are monsters in the field of 3D model recreation, cataloging might be an issue but when it comes to recreating the proportions and detail, PD is beyond any other console developer in that light.
I was checking out Evolution Studios gubbin's on DC and these guys have seriously dug in deep, like PD deep. They do the round about thing of creating the simulation of something to represent it correctly like heating up of brake discs and how light goes through some surfaces and refracts to create the rainbow effect on headlamp casings on some cars. It's bizarre, I think they'd be a perfect fit for one another.
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PD offices is in japan where the development takes place.
I think PD office would be super cool to work. They need more guys. They should just hire more people who have experience and expertise and lots of game testers too lol
I think PD office would be super cool to work. They need more guys. They should just hire more people who have experience and expertise and lots of game testers too lol
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Evolution? Not really. A company or companies to outsource some car modeling to? Absolutely. They need to understand it's simply necessary in this age of game producing if you aren't willing to extend your own company. Modeling for PS3/4 takes too long for a small team with no outsourcing, as we've seen the last 8 years.
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This time PS4 is better to program and has the capacity, sharing is smarter to do. Seeing Driveclub and Project Cars i feel less interested in what PD will do with graphics or how far they can push the ps4 regarding that.
Driveclub or Project Car graphics is good enough. Pd may very well use others engine for GT7, who knows, but if it makes it easier for them then why not. Many do this and no shame in it, often gameplay gets more focus instead. So if they take Driveclub engine and make a GT7 we all waited for then go for it!
Driveclub or Project Car graphics is good enough. Pd may very well use others engine for GT7, who knows, but if it makes it easier for them then why not. Many do this and no shame in it, often gameplay gets more focus instead. So if they take Driveclub engine and make a GT7 we all waited for then go for it!
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A key point that I hope PD doesn't miss. We are reaching the point where the return on investment in graphics is smaller and smaller. Once you get to 1080p/60fps you've pretty much turned the final corner in a lot of ways. You won't be able to really impress anyone much with graphics beyond that. GT5/6 was a step ahead of the competition on PS3 and that was great but there was also a lot of room for improvement. Not so much once the standards are achieved on the PS4. They've got to start putting a massive focus on the gameplay and not be wasting resources embedding mm size stones in tires and modeling individual blades of grass.
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