Skyline Acronyms

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YEah, but who on the road is going to break concetration to lower their turbo settings. That is also the reason why they put restrictions on races. No one in their right mind is going to be burnt by you and take it as an ego bust. If the car your racing is up to specs with everything they have to offer then I see it, but if you burnt me in that in my late Miata, and I found out what you had under the hood, I'd just be like, I keep up that long?!?!? BTW, I hope you don't street race that thing. Unless you got pro skills, which also don't always seem to be on par, and control of the future, I would not street race that thing.
 
Originally posted by miata13B
YEah, but who on the road is going to break concetration to lower their turbo settings. That is also the reason why they put restrictions on races. No one in their right mind is going to be burnt by you and take it as an ego bust. If the car your racing is up to specs with everything they have to offer then I see it, but if you burnt me in that in my late Miata, and I found out what you had under the hood, I'd just be like, I keep up that long?!?!? BTW, I hope you don't street race that thing. Unless you got pro skills, which also don't always seem to be on par, and control of the future, I would not street race that thing.

What do you mean by I hope you don't street race that thing? :confused: I don't own it Veilside does and they deffinatley don't street race it...as for who is going to break their concentration to turn down their boost, anyone can....It's equiped with an SUPER AVC TYPE-R electronic boost controller all you have to do is hit a button for one of your pre-set boost levels and your done you don't even have to look away from the road if you remember wich button it is :D The race isn't SUPPOSED to be meant as an ego bust unless you choose to take it that way It's just fun to see peoples reactions. If that happend to me I wouldn't care I would just pull up to him and ask him what the hell he did to his car..maybee take a few pics...get the phone # so I can talk later then tell my friends that I got my butt kicked by a 1000 hp car! Even If I did own that car I wouldn't HAVE to street race it because I have nothing to prove...Whats the challenge of beating a car while still in first gear? It's more for bragging rights than anything else and you would hardly ever have to crank up the turbo's to full boost because nothing is worth the gas :lol:
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
What do you mean by I hope you don't street race that thing? :confused: I don't own it Veilside does and they deffinatley don't street race it...as for who is going to break their concentration to turn down their boost, anyone can....It's equiped with an SUPER AVC TYPE-R electronic boost controller all you have to do is hit a button for one of your pre-set boost levels and your done you don't even have to look away from the road if you remember wich button it is :D The race isn't SUPPOSED to be meant as an ego bust unless you choose to take it that way It's just fun to see peoples reactions. If that happend to me I wouldn't care I would just pull up to him and ask him what the hell he did to his car..maybee take a few pics...get the phone # so I can talk later then tell my friends that I got my butt kicked by a 1000 hp car! Even If I did own that car I wouldn't HAVE to street race it because I have nothing to prove...Whats the challenge of beating a car while still in first gear? It's more for bragging rights than anything else and you would hardly ever have to crank up the turbo's to full boost because nothing is worth the gas :lol:
alright we have been on two totally different pages here, my bad. What I mean about street racing is that I am totally opposed to it. I had a little history in it and let us just say realized a thing or two. The boost controller is something that if not mounted in a good position, kinda an ackward place, you would have to take your eyes off the road unless you know the inside of the car like the back of your hand. That would break your concentration.
 
Originally posted by miata13B
alright we have been on two totally different pages here, my bad. What I mean about street racing is that I am totally opposed to it. I had a little history in it and let us just say realized a thing or two. The boost controller is something that if not mounted in a good position, kinda an ackward place, you would have to take your eyes off the road unless you know the inside of the car like the back of your hand. That would break your concentration.

no problem :embarrassed: and by the way if I had a skyline I would deffinatley want to know it like that back of my hand incase somethin happens....Thats why I'd want to install everything myself :D but yeah putting things in the wrong place can really screw you up :lol:
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
well when some punk pulls up in a "insert car here" just smile, rev up to 8000 RPM, wait for the light, drop the clutch and take off. Then you can stop at the next light and wait while he makes his way over with his mouth open in awe and his tail between his legs and wink at his girlfriend :P

You'd need some serious tires to do that, or you might just sit there and spin for about a quarter of a minute.
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
What do you mean by I hope you don't street race that thing? :confused: I don't own it Veilside does and they deffinatley don't street race it...as for who is going to break their concentration to turn down their boost, anyone can....It's equiped with an SUPER AVC TYPE-R electronic boost controller all you have to do is hit a button for one of your pre-set boost levels and your done you don't even have to look away from the road if you remember wich button it is :D The race isn't SUPPOSED to be meant as an ego bust unless you choose to take it that way It's just fun to see peoples reactions. If that happend to me I wouldn't care I would just pull up to him and ask him what the hell he did to his car..maybee take a few pics...get the phone # so I can talk later then tell my friends that I got my butt kicked by a 1000 hp car! Even If I did own that car I wouldn't HAVE to street race it because I have nothing to prove...Whats the challenge of beating a car while still in first gear? It's more for bragging rights than anything else and you would hardly ever have to crank up the turbo's to full boost because nothing is worth the gas :lol:
i totally agree with all of that.
gtr_guy, didn't you say you drove an r34? i've never had the pleasure of seeing one on the road driven hard, is the dump valve sound nice and loud or have nissan muted it?

paul
 
Originally posted by LoneWolfe
i havent seenone in real life @ all, there prob isnt an r34 within 100 miles from me :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

since i live in london there are probably over 100 within 100 miles of me. certainly at least 20 for sale according to the auto trading websites etc.

i know of one r33 vpsecII, but its parked ALL the time. and i've only ever seen one r34, it was doing about 20mph but it was loud as hell! :D

i've also seen an r32, also v. loud, but neither of them accelerated at all :/

paul
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
You'd need some serious tires to do that, or you might just sit there and spin for about a quarter of a minute.


yeah thats true:embarrassed: on the other hand though why dont you use the skylines computer and transfer 50% of your torque to one set of wheels and set the world record for the best burnout ever?
 
Originally posted by Nightmage82
i totally agree with all of that.
gtr_guy, didn't you say you drove an r34? i've never had the pleasure of seeing one on the road driven hard, is the dump valve sound nice and loud or have nissan muted it?

paul

It's a skyline....who in the right mind would try to mute it? The one on the R-34 I drove sounded real nice :D
 
Originally posted by Nightmage82
since i live in london there are probably over 100 within 100 miles of me. certainly at least 20 for sale according to the auto trading websites etc.

i know of one r33 vpsecII, but its parked ALL the time. and i've only ever seen one r34, it was doing about 20mph but it was loud as hell! :D

i've also seen an r32, also v. loud, but neither of them accelerated at all :/

paul

:D lucky you.. I live in the US so I never thought I would EVER drive one but I guess miracles do happen :lol:
 
Well It all depends on what you do Veilside has an R34 skyline that has 1360 horsepower without NOS and is still street legal...I have no idea how much that cost but bumping a skyline up to 1000+ hp wouldn't cost anywhere near trying to do that to any other car. Here is the reason: the skyline engine is just about indestuctable, it can take up to 1000 hp on the stock internals wich means that you don't have to upgrade pistons and all of that other crap you would have to do to other cars. All you would really have to do is strap on huge turbo's and upgrade the feul system I've seen a skyline where a guy somehow rigged a F-16 fighter jet's feul pump to it...When he drives with it on he has to turn of everything electrical to meet the power needed to run the pump....Now you don't have to go to those extreems to get power but I guess it was more a bragging thing than anything else... Back to the 1000+ hp Now if you still want drivability intead of a constant 1000 hp you could always add NOS, I've seen one with 3 bottles on it Anyway the skyline I drove here in the US was a stock R34 but still hauled ass so you really don't need all that power....The key word was NEED but hey who wouldn't mind 1000 Hp? anyway I'm not sure how much it would cost but lemme do some reaserch and I'll get back to you with a $$$$ figure

I see you are into doing a lot of searching and reading. I commend you on some of your answers as they were spot on. This particular one is a bit off but not to worry I am not going to slam you, but you've missed a few things and were way off on at least one. :)

This particular Skyline, the Veilside R34 Street/Drag combat car is a one of a kind for sure. It is loaded to the hilt with specialty one off products designed and manufactured by Veilside. Some are available for purchase.

Engine Displacement is 2.7 litres
Injectors 6x , 1370cc
Cams: Veilside custom, 11.8mm lift (.433)
280 degrees intake
290 degrees exhaust
Custom Veilside prototype valves, valve springs
HKS adjustable cam gears
Veilside fuel rail
Custom Built Jun Plenum
91mm throttle body (3.58 inch)
Custom Exhaust Manifold
Apexi Custom Intercooler 200mm (7.87 inch) thick
Apexi Power FC ECU
twin 80mm (3") exhaust
40psi or 2.7kgs of boost

It ran 340 kph (211 mph) here in New Zealand back in November of 1999 in the rain on an open road during an Option Mag speed trial.
I actually had the pleasure of viewing this car up close while they actually dynoed it. All I can say is WOW, DREWL. Let me take it for a spin. Everything on the car is custom. Even the $12,000 NZD worth of wheels. They also use a custom torque split controller which is a large handle on the side of the tunnel. They can manually control the amount of front wheel torque that is applied.

Now as far as what a factory motor (RB26DETT) can handle. That I am afraid is a falisy. The block itself will not go beyond 900hp without failure. All the top teams and cars use the Nismo N1 block. Even so they have a design flaw that causes them to crack between the #3 and #4 cylinder. Recently Mr. Nagata of Top Secrete was down here for a special event. Talkin to him through an interpreter they have the same issues and problems with block failure. Usually the blocks last about 4 hrs of running time at that sort of power and boost.

The factory internals are good for about 550 hp before you risk major engine failure. Usually the con rod bolts fail first, or the cast pistons fail due to high boost and weak ring lands. They also can not tolerate high rpms. High as in more than 8,200 which is the factory rev cut. Higher rpms will snap or could snap a con rod really quickly. Also the oil pump drive shaft on the R32 is another design flaw. One they fixed in the R33 model range. When exactly I am not 100% sure. I believe in the 96 model year.

The factory turbos which is a steel shaft with a steel compressor wheel and is ball bearing, also has a ceramic turbine or exhaust wheel bonded to the shaft with a specail process. Running more than 15psi of constant boost will weaking the bonded area cause turbo failure. The factory 444cc injectors are good for about 440hp as is the factory front mount I/C.

The GTR is a wonderful car. Very high maitinance and high dollar to fix when something goes wrong. In the GTR range the R32 is the quickest show room stock. I managed a 13.0 @ 106 mph in my R32 bog standard. I have since added a full trust exhaust system including 2 1/2 down pipes off the turbos, Trust Airinx pod filters, custom written chip for the ecu and a Profec B boost controller. The power out put currently is 328ph at the wheels. I've since lowered that to a 11.88 @ 114mph. We have quite a few R34 GTR's in New Zealand. The last one to dyno that I have seen with exhaust and pod filters managed 219kw or 293hp at the wheels running 1 bar or 14.6psi of boost, same as mine in boost pressure. That particular car was a 2002 R34 Vspec II. The only one in New Zealand. I think that dyno plot shown was on a very generous dyno and most likely a hub dyno which have a tenedency to produce higher than actual numbers. I had the oppertunity to ride in it, wish I could have driven it. They are not as impressive as everyone thinks in near standard trim. While it handles better than my R32, due to its much heavier overall weight its acceleration is hurt.

The R32 is the lightest of the lot followed by the R33. So far I have driven an R32 and R33 GTR. I've owned three different R32 Skylines. GTS, GTS-t, and now GTR.

Keep up the good work, but don't always believe what you read on the internet. There are many that claim they know but few know as much as they claim.
 
Originally posted by RazorGTR
I see you are into doing a lot of searching and reading. I commend you on some of your answers as they were spot on. This particular one is a bit off but not to worry I am not going to slam you, but you've missed a few things and were way off on at least one. :)

This particular Skyline, the Veilside R34 Street/Drag combat car is a one of a kind for sure. It is loaded to the hilt with specialty one off products designed and manufactured by Veilside. Some are available for purchase.

Engine Displacement is 2.7 litres
Injectors 6x , 1370cc
Cams: Veilside custom, 11.8mm lift (.433)
280 degrees intake
290 degrees exhaust
Custom Veilside prototype valves, valve springs
HKS adjustable cam gears
Veilside fuel rail
Custom Built Jun Plenum
91mm throttle body (3.58 inch)
Custom Exhaust Manifold
Apexi Custom Intercooler 200mm (7.87 inch) thick
Apexi Power FC ECU
twin 80mm (3") exhaust
40psi or 2.7kgs of boost

It ran 340 kph (211 mph) here in New Zealand back in November of 1999 in the rain on an open road during an Option Mag speed trial.
I actually had the pleasure of viewing this car up close while they actually dynoed it. All I can say is WOW, DREWL. Let me take it for a spin. Everything on the car is custom. Even the $12,000 NZD worth of wheels. They also use a custom torque split controller which is a large handle on the side of the tunnel. They can manually control the amount of front wheel torque that is applied.

Now as far as what a factory motor (RB26DETT) can handle. That I am afraid is a falisy. The block itself will not go beyond 900hp without failure. All the top teams and cars use the Nismo N1 block. Even so they have a design flaw that causes them to crack between the #3 and #4 cylinder. Recently Mr. Nagata of Top Secrete was down here for a special event. Talkin to him through an interpreter they have the same issues and problems with block failure. Usually the blocks last about 4 hrs of running time at that sort of power and boost.

The factory internals are good for about 550 hp before you risk major engine failure. Usually the con rod bolts fail first, or the cast pistons fail due to high boost and weak ring lands. They also can not tolerate high rpms. High as in more than 8,200 which is the factory rev cut. Higher rpms will snap or could snap a con rod really quickly. Also the oil pump drive shaft on the R32 is another design flaw. One they fixed in the R33 model range. When exactly I am not 100% sure. I believe in the 96 model year.

The factory turbos which is a steel shaft with a steel compressor wheel and is ball bearing, also has a ceramic turbine or exhaust wheel bonded to the shaft with a specail process. Running more than 15psi of constant boost will weaking the bonded area cause turbo failure. The factory 444cc injectors are good for about 440hp as is the factory front mount I/C.

The GTR is a wonderful car. Very high maitinance and high dollar to fix when something goes wrong. In the GTR range the R32 is the quickest show room stock. I managed a 13.0 @ 106 mph in my R32 bog standard. I have since added a full trust exhaust system including 2 1/2 down pipes off the turbos, Trust Airinx pod filters, custom written chip for the ecu and a Profec B boost controller. The power out put currently is 328ph at the wheels. I've since lowered that to a 11.88 @ 114mph. We have quite a few R34 GTR's in New Zealand. The last one to dyno that I have seen with exhaust and pod filters managed 219kw or 293hp at the wheels running 1 bar or 14.6psi of boost, same as mine in boost pressure. That particular car was a 2002 R34 Vspec II. The only one in New Zealand. I think that dyno plot shown was on a very generous dyno and most likely a hub dyno which have a tenedency to produce higher than actual numbers. I had the oppertunity to ride in it, wish I could have driven it. They are not as impressive as everyone thinks in near standard trim. While it handles better than my R32, due to its much heavier overall weight its acceleration is hurt.

The R32 is the lightest of the lot followed by the R33. So far I have driven an R32 and R33 GTR. I've owned three different R32 Skylines. GTS, GTS-t, and now GTR.

Keep up the good work, but don't always believe what you read on the internet. There are many that claim they know but few know as much as they claim.

Sweet man thanks for all of the info :D! As I said before I live in the US and we don't have many skylines here :( Although I had the oportunity to drive one the person who brought it over didn't know much about the car :(

As for the Veilside car I know that it is deffinatley one of a kind! I also have a video of the veilside skyline doing a street trial in the rain and also of it on a dyno! the video showed the skyline ran 346.2 KPH but when they finally ran it up to full boost (during the 346.2 KPH run) they blew a head gasket :banghead: so I'm thinking that they should try again!

About that design flaw, I did some reaserch and found out that from an engineering viewpoint, the RB26DETT's achillis heel is in heat dissipation from the head. Under heavy thermal loads it starts to crack :( Does the Nismo N1 block have the same problem or did they fix that? as for the dyno chart I got it from http://www.gtr.co.uk and they used Power Engineering's 4WD dyno.

One more thing I want make a website about the Skyline. If I have any questions can I ask you?
 
razor gtr (or anyone else), have you heard of/seen the blitz skyline, 300bhp per litre or something insane like that?! :D

is that car one of a kind or does it use similar parts to the veilside one?
 
It uses some prototype parts so you won't be able to get all of them but you can read about it here:
http://www.skylinegtr.8k.com/article5.htm

also I found a funny story about it I'll paste it down below:
Gary opened what would normally be the passenger side door--the right side--and unlatched the swing-arm door bar before dropping himself into the modified Konig racing seat. He re-latched the door bar and closed the door behind him, struggling to reach deep into his Hobie "Daisy Dukes" shorts to find the keys to the silver car that now enveloped him. He had a history of bad luck with silver cars, but he hoped that this one would be different, at least for this trip.

He put the key in the ignition. A series of electronic chirps confirmed the startup of the factory eye-level engine monitoring screen, while the slight humming sound from the trunk confirmed that the Bosch 1200-hp fuel pump was primed and ready to go. He turned over the starter and, after a few cranks, the 890 hp RB26DET motor roared to life. Gary feathered the accelerator a few times, hoping to warm the engine up faster than usual. While doing so, he turned on the A/C for what he knew was going to be a warm trip to the Las Vegas desert. A minor adjustment on the radio--Gary was looking for his favorite band, the Dixie Chicks--and he started his journey. The e-brake handle, wrapped in custom Blitz-embroidered silver material to match the shift boot, was let down and the first of six forward-moving gears was engaged. The prototype triple-plate Blitz clutch eased the car forward and out of Gary's garage.

He drove cautiously through the surface streets of Huntington Beach, careful not to damage the 18x10-in. Blitz TechnoSpeed Z1 wheels wrapped in Dunlop SP Sport 9000 rubbers. The area was notorious for overzealous policemen and oversized potholes. While the Blitz/Sachs suspension was height adjustable, it was currently set for high-speed travel on the refined Autobahn highway, not the pothole-laden streets of Orange County. Still, the factory Nissan/Brembo brake setup, enhanced by the Blitz prototype brake pads, were enough to help Gary avoid the monster crevices on the streets until he made his full-tilt sprint onto Interstate 15.

The R34 Skyline was truly a sight to behold. A relatively stock-looking right-hand drive Skyline on the streets of California would be enough to turn a head or two, but this particular Blitz specialized model--the R348--was outfitted with specially designed and wind-tunnel tested aero components from Blitz; the front half-spoiler with air diffuser, the wheel well fender enhancements, side skirts, and custom low-profile rear spoiler. All of these were designed and installed in the name of top speed at a time when wind-tunnel testing of body components specifically for top-speed jaunts was virtually unheard of. The bold splatter graphics that adorned the graphite silver paint job called attention to a car that hardly needs an introduction--and that is what eventually got Gary in trouble.

With the 91 and 10 freeways long behind him, Gary had the proverbial pedal to the metal, cruising Interstate 15. The suspension components, along with the Shelby-modified seven-point roll cage and the Blitz carbon-Kevlar composite tower bar, gave the car the precision handling of a classic '80s video game. Contributing to this simple and straightforward design were the lack of visible interior components, outside of the Blitz 80mm boost gauge, SBC I-D Boost controller, and Power Meter I-D; everything else was showroom stock. This might have saved Gary from any run-ins with the Highway Patrol, but the car was just too outspoken in its subtlety.

"How fast was I going, officer?" Gary asked as he rolled down his window.

The highway patrolman was visibly shocked and took a few steps back, even going so far as to put his hand on his holster. "What inna hell're you doin' drivin' on the wrong side of the car, boy?" He ducked down and stole a quick glance at the empty passenger seat on the left side of the vehicle.

"Sorry, officer. It's a right-hand drive Japanese model. I have the papers for it, if you want to see them," Gary replied nervously.

"Is this one of them newfangled Fast and Furious Hondas?"

"No, sir. Actually, it's a Nissan Skyline."

"Say what? Did you just ask me if I wear eyeliner?"
"No, I said--never mind. Was I speeding?"

"Were you speeding? Boy, do you know how many traffic planes they had to send out to find you? You were doing more than 300 mph!"

"That's not possible, sir," Gary replied. "You see, this car was built to run on the Autobahn and the maximum speed it reached was only 213.34 mph."

"Only 213? Boy, you can't use 'only' and '213 mph' in the same sentence! And anyway, that was prolly before you done all this crazy stuff to the car. We're pretty sure that you were going more than 300 mph."

"Actually, that test was run exactly how the car is set up now--with the air conditioning, factory radio, and these same wheels and tires."

"Don't back talk me, boy," snapped the patrolman. "Just you wait until the CARB boys get here and take a look at all the illegal stuff you have."

The CARB man walked over to the back of the patrol car where Gary was sitting. He pulled out his list and started reading. "RB26DETT twin-turbocharged Nissan motor, modified to fit a single KKK/Blitz modified K5-850R turbocharger. You know that's a smog violation, don't you?"

Gary replied, "I know, but it's not my car. It's a demo vehicle."

"And all of the Blitz fortified internals--K/S forged 87mm pistons, H-beam connecting rods, billet crankshaft, 280-degree intake and exhaust cams, 1.2mm head gasket? Are you telling me that all of these parts inside the engine, where you can't see them, are for demonstration purposes only?"

"Well, like I was telling the other guy, the car is a top speed car. I'm just driving it to the SEMA convention in Las Vegas. I know you know about SEMA--you guys are actively involved with them, right?"

"Yeah, yeah. What type of intercooler and oil cooler are those?" asked the air policeman.

"Oh--the intercooler is a Blitz Type-H and the oil cooler is a Blitz Type-A. And in case you're wondering, the air filters are Blitz SUS-Power Type C4s and the injectors are 1000cc units, also made by Blitz," Gary added. "Can I just get my ticket so I can go?"

"Go? Why are you in such a hurry?"

"Well," Gary explained, "I was racing my friend and if I stay here too long, he's going to beat me."

"So, ya'll admit to illegal street racing?" asked the highway patrolman.

"Not exactly. We both started from Huntington Beach, California, and I'm supposed to meet him in Las Vegas before he gets there."

"Well, this big ol' coffee can muffler you got back here says nothing but illegal drag racing to me!" said the patrolman.

"Actually, that's a custom Blitz NUR-spec exhaust--100mm piping all the way to the hand-made stainless steel exhaust manifold," said the CARB man. "All that exhaust system says is 'Back off--here comes some crazy top speed.'"
Gary looked at the CARB inspector, puzzled. "How do you know so much about this car?"

The CARB inspector nudged Gary and winked, "I read Import Tuner, too." Then, he walked over to the patrolman. "OK, this guy is clean. Just write him his speeding ticket and he's free to go."

"Speedin' ticket? I done told you we couldn't tell how fast he was goin' because our radar guns don't go that high!" Gary looked up. "So, technically, you can't really bust me for anything?"

The patrolman shrugged his shoulders. "Not unless bein' ugly is a crime. Har-har!" The CARB official and the patrolman laughed together while Gary locked himself in with the Simpson five-point harness and drove off.

"Did you have any problems with the car?" Gary's friend Mike Liao, the Blitz representative who was foolish enough to give Gary the keys, asked later. "No, just a little incident with the Highway Patrol and the CARB guys. But I still beat you here," Gary said. "So you owe me a hundred bucks."

"That's not fair," Mike replied, "my flight was delayed for half an hour, so it wasn't an even race." "But you were flying and I was driving. How is that fair?"

"Well," Mike replied, "your car and my plane were going the same speed, but you didn't have to go through any security checkpoints."

"Well, that's no excuse," Gary said, "so pay up."

Mike reached into his back pocket and came up empty. "Oh ****--I forgot my wallet at home."

Gary's eyes lit up. "That's OK--we'll just drive back really quick and get it."
 
oh i found a site the other day that said a v-spec skyline has an LSD and a regular r33 wouldn't have one. i think someone asked about that earlier on in the thread
 
that little LSD tells you everything you want to know about the car and what it's doing...turbo's injectors, G's, etc....real handy....plus you can save your info and compare it to other days to see how things have changed....now If only my honda had one.
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
that little LSD tells you everything you want to know about the car and what it's doing...turbo's injectors, G's, etc....real handy....plus you can save your info and compare it to other days to see how things have changed....now If only my honda had one.

ummm by lsd i meant 'limited slip differential' not 'leet screen dispaly" or something... :/
 
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