So, about that course creator.

[Brend]

I can't see them getting both Google Earth and the track modding software to run on the PS3 with any speed whatsover. It would just be a laggy mess. My previous pc was many times more powerful than a PS3 and it was laggy using Google Earth, I can't imagine what the PS3 would be like. A Course Maker with it's own pre-made environments and without Google Earth, yes of course.

Optimization is the key word here though Johnny, mobile phones these days can use Google Earth with astonishing speed after all! With the PC version of Google Earth tons of different architectures and system builds need to be accounted for, a PS3 client would be dealing with the same system with slightly different SKU builds.

Still though, I'm with you on thinking there's not a chance we'll have this functionality.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Conjecture warning - this is my opinion and not a proven fact. I base this on what I observe.

Since the day I fired up GT6, I have maintained that it has never been handled by PD. There are many "white label" studios in the world that handle development duties when the prime studio is busy. GT7 has most likely been in development since GT5 shipped. It's been reported that the renderer and the physics in GT6 are the core of the systems to be used in GT7, so that's probably the extent of PD's involvement (in addition to the premium cars).

The improved standard cars and mostly like the entirety of the game's design (the single player, the paired down GT Auto, the paired down B-spec, the removal of actual endurance events) all point to an outsourcer and a lack of experience with the franchise and the fan base.

My hunch is this: I don't doubt the course creator is happening, but I do doubt it's appearance in GT6. I think the outsourcer has dropped the ball too often and Sony isn't trusting them with the course creator.

Personally, I believe that handing the game over to a better group will go a long way in not only satisfying the faithful but even an uptake in adoption. It wouldn't take that much development to right the current wrongs and if there is more adoption (aka sales) then there would be justification for PD themselves could implement the course creator properly.

 

[Enraged]

Conjecture warning - this is my opinion and not a proven fact. I base this on what I observe.

Since the day I fired up GT6, I have maintained that it has never been handled by PD. There are many "white label" studios in the world that handle development duties when the prime studio is busy. GT7 has most likely been in development since GT5 shipped. It's been reported that the renderer and the physics in GT6 are the core of the systems to be used in GT7, so that's probably the extent of PD's involvement (in addition to the premium cars).

The improved standard cars and mostly like the entirety of the game's design (the single player, the paired down GT Auto, the paired down B-spec, the removal of actual endurance events) all point to an outsourcer and a lack of experience with the franchise and the fan base.

My hunch is this: I don't doubt the course creator is happening, but I do doubt it's appearance in GT6. I think the outsourcer has dropped the ball too often and Sony isn't trusting them with the course creator.

Personally, I believe that handing the game over to a better group will go a long way in not only satisfying the faithful but even an uptake in adoption. It wouldn't take that much development to right the current wrongs and if there is more adoption (aka sales) then there would be justification for PD themselves could implement the course creator properly.

Sounds a little bit far fetched.

 

[Streeto]

@Enraged A man called @Famine knows the reason for delay, but he can't tell us "for good reasons" apparently...

Yes, he's met with and interviewed Kaz on more than one occasion.

 

[eran0004]

I can't see them getting both Google Earth and the track modding software to run on the PS3 with any speed whatsover. It would just be a laggy mess. My previous pc was many times more powerful than a PS3 and it was laggy using Google Earth, I can't imagine what the PS3 would be like. A Course Maker with it's own pre-made environments and without Google Earth, yes of course.

Google Earth terrain data is of very low resolution, so I don't think the PS3 would have any problem using it. It wouldn't be more demanding than using pre-made environments.

 

[Tornado]

Since GT5, communication has completely changed, PoDi announces something when it's ready.

That's presumably why it might just miss release of the game.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

"for good reasons"

I'm sure the Q&A forum was completely ignored by PD "for good reasons" too.

 

[Streeto]

I'm sure the Q&A forum was completely ignored by PD "for good reasons" too.

Excellent gif sir.

 

[Famine]

You're all free to keep on speculating the reasons - nefarious or incompetent as you see fit - if you like, and warbling about legal action because the 12th of the 12 promised features isn't done to your preferred timetable, but trust me when I say that if you do, you may feel a bit daft when the reason comes out (if it does).

I was hoping to spare you from that with calming words of caution, but some always want to create reasons to be disappointed.

 

[OdeFinn]

For topic and designer.

 

[DSkywalker01]

Unless that reason is that one of the Course Maker locations is a fully-modeled City of Seattle... I don't know what could have taken nearly 3 years!

 

[research]

Imagine you are a gran turismo fan who lives in Rhonda, Spain.

All of that hype in spring 2013. I would've been bounding up and down the streets like a kangaroo. PD presence, town being scanned/photographed, launch event, street naming ceremonies...

It all seemed so real, didn't it. Now the truth is apparent-

No virtual Rhonda and we are short 6 crates of wine!

 

[RACECAR]

Imagine you are a gran turismo fan who lives in Rhonda, Spain.

All of that hype in spring 2013. I would've been bounding up and down the streets like a kangaroo. PD presence, town being scanned/photographed, launch event, street naming ceremonies...

It all seemed so real, didn't it. Now the truth is apparent. No virtual Rhonda and we are short 6 crates of wine!

If it was Merlot, them you know where that went.

 

[Shahar]

Unless that reason is that one of the Course Maker locations is a fully-modeled City of Seattle... I don't know what could have taken nearly 3 years!

Not Seattle but Rhonda(or andalucia i'm not sure):

Famine you probaly cringe so badly when you see all the memes, complaints and speculation about the course maker. If I knew why the course maker was delayed so much, I wouldn't be able to even enter GTPlanet.

 

[Voodoovaj]

There is probably a real valid reason why the Course Creator hasn't made it in yet, my idea is that they had a small team work on a PS4 version of GT6 with the Course Creator making it into both PS3 and PS4 versions.

There as never, ever, been a GT6 for PS4. There has never been a plan for it. That is just a pipe dream from forum users. There is no history for such a thing and it doesn't suit Sony's strategy with the GT series, which has always been to sell consoles.

Sounds a little bit far fetched.

Surprise! Many of the sequels out there are made by a "B team" of sorts. Either they are internal teams or white label outsourcers. The biggest are in China, but there are few in Japan as well.

Here's an example - Arkham City was done by Rock Steady, then WB Montreal took over for a few years while Rock Steady worked on Arkham Knight.

Every GT to this point has had Endurance races, but 6 doesn't. GT Auto looks like crap compared to the one in GT5. B-spec is a joke in comparison to GT5. In GT5, it was an entire separate experience where you trained drivers, now it's just a useless bullet point. It all has signs of low budget. There's no love in it. Those are all telltale signs of an outsourcer on a limited budget.

Putting a different developer's name on the front would be disastrous for the franchise, so it remains a "Polyphony Digital" product, but I'm really strongly doubting it.

 

[Shahar]

I think the course maker is just a part of the biggest problem of the GT series, almost zero communication. Please let's not change the subject of this thread , but the course maker is in beta testing for two years! And we know absolutely nothing more about it. OK, so they've done 92% of what they said they would do.But it is horrible, we are left in the dark and than BANG, we have new stuff.
Please just tell us something. Show us you've done something in the past year, or at least tell us you are working on it.

Also, someone knows why Sierra circuit stuff was delayed? I'm just curious ro know why.


Please forgive me about the horrible grammar, English isn't my first language.

 

[Enraged]

Although it is has been two years since the announcement of the 'Course Creator', I'm certain that PD will deliver. I haven't lost faith in them because they keep going in the right direction, with better sounding car sounds and listening more closely to fan feedback.

 

[Shahar]

and listening more closely to fan feedback.

A few month ago it was true, but now...
Well the Kaz Q&A thing is closed now because PD ignored it.

 

[Enraged]

A few month ago it was true, but now...
Well the Kaz Q&A thing is closed now because PD ignored it.

Maybe he is not responding, because he is actually putting these features in the next game? Just a thought.

 

[ImmalovemaGTR]

@Famine

You make more curious about the reason of delay than about the course maker itself. Anyways, I believe you, however I do not understand why PD does not want to make the reason of delay public. If everyone would understand it, it would make their lives easier.

I, for my part, am patient, but still very interested in the concept of the course maker and building awesome tracks.

 

[mister dog]

I haven't lost faith in them because they keep going in the right direction, with better sounding car sounds and listening more closely to fan feedback.

 

[Shahar]

Maybe he is not responding, because he is actually putting these features in the next game? Just a thought.

I think he should tell us about it.

 

[drivatar]

Hmm. Could it be delayed because of laws or licenses?

 

[cutmeamango]

So the delay is because PD is partnering with some big GIS data holder, and along with GPS functions, will be able to recreate to an extent any city in the world with prefab structures to populate track path and surroudings and proper terrain matching? The problems that this entail is licensing of real world tracks because you could be recreating them with some good degree of accuracy without their permission? Think within GT.

I understand you PD.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

held up for extremely good reason which, when it's made public, everyone* will entirely understand and sympathise with.

You seem to be emphasizing this more, which I feel is only going to increase expectations further. There's a couple of things I'm thinking of: either the Course Maker is going to be mind blowingly good and well beyond what anyone imagined; someone PD was working with dropped out and PD had to start the feature all over again; or with the sympathy part, some sort of disaster happened, natural or otherwise, causing major problems, data loss, maybe even the unfortunate loss of life regarding staff or their family members.

Maybe (likely) I'm way off, but neither of the above or anything similar warrants complete silence towards your customers - if anything it should be the opposite.

 

[Famine]

You make more curious about the reason of delay than about the course maker itself.

You seem to be emphasizing this more, which I feel is only going to increase expectations further

Yes, that's the unfortunate nature of these things, isn't it?

Still, it's still planned for GT6 and I don't believe it's going to be too much longer. I would say "soon", but we all know what that word means

 

[JKgo]

There as never, ever, been a GT6 for PS4. There has never been a plan for it. That is just a pipe dream from forum users. There is no history for such a thing and it doesn't suit Sony's strategy with the GT series, which has always been to sell consoles.



Surprise! Many of the sequels out there are made by a "B team" of sorts. Either they are internal teams or white label outsourcers. The biggest are in China, but there are few in Japan as well.

Here's an example - Arkham City was done by Rock Steady, then WB Montreal took over for a few years while Rock Steady worked on Arkham Knight.

Every GT to this point has had Endurance races, but 6 doesn't. GT Auto looks like crap compared to the one in GT5. B-spec is a joke in comparison to GT5. In GT5, it was an entire separate experience where you trained drivers, now it's just a useless bullet point. It all has signs of low budget. There's no love in it. Those are all telltale signs of an outsourcer on a limited budget.

Putting a different developer's name on the front would be disastrous for the franchise, so it remains a "Polyphony Digital" product, but I'm really strongly doubting it.

...Hmm. You suspiciously sound like you might have some sort of inside info. I'm curious to find out more about your sources for all these... opinions disguised as facts.

Yes, it's one of those "citation needed" type thing.

 

[cutmeamango]

...Hmm. You suspiciously sound like you might have some sort of inside info. I'm curious to find out more about your sources for all these... opinions disguised as facts.

Yes, it's one of those "citation needed" type thing.

Unless they hid all these "outsourced" developers in the credits (big no-no for worker laws), you may read it as a failed conspiracy theory.

 

[OdeFinn]

Things what GT series breaks, life span of game, only because loyal fans, but also greatness of product itself what makes those fans exist.

 

[RACECAR]

I would say "soon", but we all know what that word means

Anytime we want?

Perhaps "Eventually", after all it just means that it'll be here regardless of when.