So, about that course creator.

[Streeto]

I wonder where we would be in the development cycle if nobody hacked GT5 and uploaded it to youtube... lol. We would probably have a finished Course maker and GPS analyzer and GT7 would probably have a trailer floating around somewhere. lol

You really think the hacking problem back in GT5 gave off a ripple that slowed production of GT6 features to this day?

Lol, do explain.

 

[sk8er913]

You really think the hacking problem back in GT5 gave off a ripple that slowed production of GT6 features to this day?

Lol, do explain.

Well they took time redoing features that didn't have to be redone, it slowed them down by months that could have been better used implementing new features instead of redoing old ones.

 

[eran0004]

Well they took time redoing features that didn't have to be redone, it slowed them down by months that could have been better used implementing new features instead of redoing old ones.

They'd probably have to do that anyway, since the data structure of GT5 made the game slow to load and hard to update.

 

[Streeto]

Yeah, I forget how slow the GT5 interface was.

GT6 definitely excelled in that department.

 

[RACECAR]

Well they took time redoing features that didn't have to be redone, it slowed them down by months that could have been better used implementing new features instead of redoing old ones.

Except they basically rewrote the coding of the game to a more compact form so even without hacking, it still would've taken long. Besides, there isn't a single game that hasn't been hacked in some form or another so its hardly affecting the time of development.

 

[sk8er913]

Except they basically rewrote the coding of the game to a more compact form so even without hacking, it still would've taken long. Besides, there isn't a single game that hasn't been hacked in some form or another so its hardly affecting the time of development.

But PD focused on it and made it a point to try to stop GT6 from being hacked. I still think that they are a few months behind where they should be because they tried really hard to stop hackers.

They'd probably have to do that anyway, since the data structure of GT5 made the game slow to load and hard to update.

I haven't played GT5 since December 2013, I don't remember what it was like. All I remember is playing GT6 for the first time and remembering how bad GT5 was in comparison. (DS3)

 

[KiroKai]

What I don't get, is why they couldn't have at least given us the old course maker until they had the new one finished. then switch the old with the new through a patch.

I think it was something about the hackers on GT5.

I wonder where we would be in the development cycle if nobody hacked GT5 and uploaded it to youtube... lol. We would probably have a finished Course maker and GPS analyzer and GT7 would probably have a trailer floating around somewhere. lol

Your lack of knowledge is amusing. How do you even connect the track maker to hacking the game? What does YouTube have to do with anything? Since when are PD developing MoTec's GPS data analyzer?

Well they took time redoing features that didn't have to be redone, it slowed them down by months that could have been better used implementing new features instead of redoing old ones.

"Features", like what? The basic menu structure that was too cluttered and slow in GT5? Deliberately leaving out any possibility to import your GT5 garage due to GT5 respectively GT6's lack of 'safety'? Track creator? Just stop...

 

[sk8er913]

Since when are PD developing MoTec's GPS data analyzer?

I wasn't talking about that one. I was talking about the one where you can create tracks with it...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...enabled-or-very-detailed-track-editor.284375/

 

[KiroKai]

I wasn't talking about that one. I was talking about the one where you can create tracks with it...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...enabled-or-very-detailed-track-editor.284375/

My point is that you come off as if you have no substancial arguments, and even your examples are flawed. GPS analyzer isn't GPS track creator. And as my signature should display, I am well aware of the broken track maker promises. It just annoys me what straws PD apologists grab.

PD actually did put effort into encrypting save data better in GT6, and they did their job so well there's still no public programs to edit your save on PC. But that doesn't mean their track maker programmers spent their time doing data encryption.

 

[sk8er913]

My point is that you come off as if you have no substancial arguments, and even your examples are flawed. GPS analyzer isn't GPS track creator. And as my signature should display, I am well aware of the broken track maker promises. It just annoys me what straws PD apologists grab.

That quote is pretty funny. This is like day 500. And I'm not a "PD apologist" Just wondering what they would do if they didn't focus so much on hackers. Don't say that they didn't have a focus on hackers. because they patched GT5 twice and then had some discussion about hackers in GT6 during development.

Precious GT6 development time going to waste:
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-update-2-14-now-available/
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-update-2-12-removes-hacked-cars/

 

[KiroKai]

That quote is pretty funny. This is like day 500. And I'm not a "PD apologist" Just wondering what they would do if they didn't focus so much on hackers. Don't say that they didn't have a focus on hackers. because they patched GT5 twice and then had some discussion about hackers in GT6 during development.

Precious GT6 development time going to waste:
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-update-2-14-now-available/
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-update-2-12-removes-hacked-cars/

So the whole company was kept busy because they repeatedly put out half baked security updates in the late life cycle of GT5? Which were so half baked they had to keep doing them, since it took less than a day for a workaround to surface? Is Kaz sitting in the PD office, all alone, writing GT all on his own, and that's why only one task can be done by the entire company? And yes, you are excusing them by blaming a small group of players. If they instructed all their workers to do data encryption 24/7 at the cost of getting features done, that's bad management. And why has Kaz promised the all new redone course creator at all, if they were so busy caring for the safety of GT6?

 

[Streeto]

@sk8er913 you have to understand in any company there's different departments for different area's.

I can't imagine more than 10% of their workforce is qualified to work on encryption and whatnot...

The hackers didn't really delay anything, it was only a side issue when they started taking money from Sony's pockets and getting high on the leaderboards unfairly.

People have always hacked the GT games, it's not as big of an issue as people make out.

 

[DSkywalker01]

Yeah, I forget how slow the GT5 interface was.

GT6 definitely excelled in that department.

Some might argue it was the only reason for releasing a Gran Turismo 6...

...it was about all that the reviewers praised that wasn't in GT5.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Is Kaz sitting in the PD office, all alone, writing GT all on his own, and that's why only one task can be done by the entire company?

Sure would explain a lot

 

[blackjack]

I can see it now. PD's big announcement at E3 wont have anything to do with GT7. GT7 wont even get a mention. It will be the announcement that GT6 will be completed "soon"!

 

[Tornado]

I can see it now. PD's big announcement at E3 wont have anything to do with GT7. GT7 wont even get a mention. It will be the announcement that GT6 will be completed "soon"!

Omega Boost 2

 

[Johnnypenso]

A "Race Track Builder" software program is about to be released on Steam...and it is capable of using Google Earth data to create tracks. Perhaps this is along the lines of what is coming for GT6?

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Omega Boost 2

Tricycle Trophy: The Real Radio Flyer Simulator.

 

[Streeto]

@Johnnypenso that would be great, but probably a pipe dream.

 

[Tornado]

That's what happened to it. They spent all this time making it, and only then realized they accidentally made it for PC instead.

 

[Streeto]

That's what happened to it. They spent all this time making it, and only then realized they accidentally made it for PC instead.

 

[Voodoovaj]

The GT franchise is the darling of Sony. They sponsor GT Academy and pro racing teams. This isn't an indie shop. The course creator is being held back by intention. Why though is up for debate.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The GT franchise is the darling of Sony. They sponsor GT Academy and pro racing teams. This isn't an indie shop. The course creator is being held back by intention. Why though is up for debate.

As opposed to what? Being held up by accident?

Kaz: "Hey Junior programmer, I fired up GT6 last night for the first time since last July and wanted to make a new track but the Course Maker wasn't on my version of the game. What gives?"

Junior Programmer: "Ooops?"

 

[Kryption]

The course creator is a lie.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Their reach has probably exceeded their grasp as for as the PS3 goes. Either that or they are busy doing something else.

 

[Grandea GTR]

The course creator is a lie.

I wouldn't go down that far into saying that the course creator is a lie.

 

[Kryption]

I wouldn't go down that far into saying that the course creator is a lie.

honestly i'm still having fun with the given tracks. I'm patient enough to wait for course creator in gt7, I'd rather they take their time, than to rush it and be a disaster .

 

[Streeto]

honestly i'm still having fun with the given tracks. I'm patient enough to wait for course creator in gt7, I'd rather they take their time, than to rush it and be a disaster .

So they announced the course maker 2 years ago, still no news about it, besides it being in beta roughly a year ago.

I would count that as "taking their time" already, in no way is it being "rushed"

 

[twitcher]

A "Race Track Builder" software program is about to be released on Steam...and it is capable of using Google Earth data to create tracks. Perhaps this is along the lines of what is coming for GT6?

I'm gonna need a towel...

That's simply amazing!! Endless possibilities

 

[Kryption]

So they announced the course maker 2 years ago, still no news about it, besides it being in beta roughly a year ago.

I would count that as "taking their time" already, in no way is it being "rushed"

But this is pd we're talking about, within 2 years is considered rushed to them haha.