So you all think GM cars suck on the track...

[Driftster]

but then again..that's not going much further...

siamese bored n/a tuned engine derived from a racing engine..built for N/A applications..

fairly mundane styling...and a missmatched theme..
half sports car half luxury sports car..

great car...

but there are deffinitive reasons it's only 70g's.....

it's like a 5.0 with alot of power...

It's not some "look at this amazing car it's got everything" it's..."damn that is a bad azz car for 70k"

 

[Max_DC]

but then again..that's not going much further...

siamese bored n/a tuned engine derived from a racing engine..built for N/A applications..

fairly mundane styling...and a missmatched theme..
half sports car half luxury sports car..

great car...

but there are deffinitive reasons it's only 70g's.....

it's like a 5.0 with alot of power...

It's not some "look at this amazing car it's got everything" it's..."damn that is a bad azz car for 70k"

Is it possible to have everything in one car ? I'd say hardly. Of course you can take a luxury car and equip it with a lot of power, then you'll have a fast car for sure. A true sports car is rather puristic imo. I want to feel the street ( hard suspension), want to hear the engine and muffler ( = it's loud inside the car ) and I don't want to know that I drive around with 200 pounds of usesless luxury stuff like full electric leather seats and a 4 zone air conditioning.... I like the styling and unlike others I don't need a state of the art handmade interior... but that is just my opinion....

 

[Plague.Ghost]

Saleen S7?

Ford GT...

 

[Plague.Ghost]

but I still would consider it one since it's just a factory "option" for the Corvette.

Yah, those wide-body carbon fibre fenders are just slapped right on, and the track is just popped right out.

 

[Joey D]

Yah, those wide-body carbon fibre fenders are just slapped right on, and the track is just popped right out.

It's a factory option for the Corvette, you can order the Z06 package. Much like my truck has an Xtreme package on it. Same thing, just I didn't get the engine.

 

[Plague.Ghost]

It's a factory option for the Corvette, you can order the Z06 package. Much like my truck has an Xtreme package on it. Same thing, just I didn't get the engine.

When I think options I think power windows, remote-keyless entry, sunroof, chrome this and that. . .not a different engine (I think?), track setup, interior and HUD. Just seems a little overboard to be just considered and "option", IMO.

Kind of like buying a 540i with an "M" package— it's practically a different car. Most of the models have an "M" package, but there's only one true M3, M5 etc., y'know?

Same with AMG for Mercedes.

 

[Joey D]

They are still the same car, I would consider an M5 just an option of the 5-series. It's the same car with a different motor (which is a real common option) and a sport suspension (another common option) and possibly some body work (another option).

 

[McLaren]

Ford GT...

Well, if that's case, obviously Saleen is producing a "production" car. It may Ford's car, but they're producing them.

 

[McLaren]

They are still the same car, I would consider an M5 just an option of the 5-series. It's the same car with a different motor (which is a real common option) and a sport suspension (another common option) and possibly some body work (another option).

Why would Chevrolet offer the Z06 as an option, and then offer 2 engine options for said "option."

It's not an option. Its another model. Options are the little upgrades you can get for the car.

~Sirius Radio=Option
~Leather Seats=option
~Roadside assistance services=option
~A car with a 100Hp more, all around more aerodynamic and many different performance parts=A model.

And yes, the S7 is a production car, even for its price. They've churned out over a 100 cars since the original S7 as been out.

 

[Joey D]

The Z06 only comes with the 427 there isn't another option for motors. But I would certianly consider the Z06 an option or package...just like the Z51 was an option for a while.

 

[McLaren]

The Z06 only comes with the 427 there isn't another option for motors. But I would certianly consider the Z06 an option or package...just like the Z51 was an option for a while.

Fine, an option for trim.

Either way, the "option" has options already, so its not really an option itself.

IF IT WAS, Chevrolet would pretty much place the Z06 has an "option" under the C6 Corvette.

Options for Z06

2LZ
MSRP* $68,700.00 Features shown below are addition to, or in place of 1LZ features:
Audio system: Bose premium seven-speaker system
Cargo area: cargo convenience net
Cargo area: luggage shade
Memory Package: includes two-position presets for drivers such as six-way power driver seat, telescoping steering wheel and outside mirror positions
Mirrors, outside: power, heated, include driver-side auto-dimming feature
Mirror, inside rearview: manual day/night with eight-point compass
Seats: driver and front passenger, heated
Universal Home Remote transmitter: three-channel programmable, integrated garage door opener

There is also a Seat, radio, and wheel option.
The only performance option is this.

~MERCHANDISED TRANS
~Transmission, 6-speed manual, short-throw (MN6)

If the Z06 really was an "option" it would be here.

Trims:
~1LT
MSRP* $44,990.00 Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
Air filtration system: includes pollen filter
Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc
Climate (temperature) controls: dual-zone, automatic for driver and right-front passenger
Doors: hatch release, push-button open/power rear latching
Engine: 6.0L LS2 V8
Floor mats: carpeted
Fog lamps: halogen
Headlamps: dual projector, xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) low-beam and tungsten-halogen high-beam, include Automatic Exterior Lamp Control
Keyless Access: includes Push-Button Start and two remote transmitters that enable automatic door unlock and open by touching a door switch
Seat controls: driver, six-way power-adjustable
Tires: front, P245/40ZR-18, Extended Mobility, Eagle F1
Tires: rear, P285/35ZR-19, Extended Mobility, Eagle F1
Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and 19- x 10-inch rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
~2LT
MSRP* $46,485.00 Features shown below are addition to, or in place of 1LT features:
Cargo area: cargo convenience net
Cargo area: luggage shade
Seat controls: front passenger, six-way power-adjustable
Seats: front, bucket, Sport; include back-angle adjusters, adjustable lumbar support and side bolsters
~3LT
MSRP* $49,785.00 Features shown below are addition to, or in place of 2LT features:
Audio system: Bose premium seven-speaker system
Head-Up Display: includes readouts for street mode, track mode with g-meter, vehicle speed, engine rpm and readings from key gauges including coolant temperature and oil pressure
Memory Package: includes two-position presets for drivers such as six-way power driver seat, telescoping steering wheel and outside mirror positions
Mirrors, outside: power, heated, include driver-side auto-dimming feature
Mirror, inside rearview: manual day/night with eight-point compass
Seats: driver and front passenger, heated
Steering column: power, tilt/telescoping
Universal Home Remote transmitter: three-channel programmable, integrated garage door opener

PERFORMANCE PACKAGE:
~Performance Package, performance-oriented package for the Gymkhana/Autocross enthusiast, includes power steering, engine oil and transmission coolers, stiffer springs and stabilizer bars, specific shock absorbers, larger brakes with cross-drilled rotors, specific tires and Z51 specific 6-speed manual when ordered with 6-speed manual transmission (Z51)

If the Z06 really was the "performance option," why would anyone buy it when there's this?

The only performance option for the C6 Coupe is above you.
The Z06 is not an option, it is a model with its own set of options.

 

[Joey D]

I don't know when I worked on the project pretty much everyone called it an option for the Vette...well more of a package but whatever. I'm going to go by what GM's Corvette division says.

 

[Plague.Ghost]

They are still the same car, I would consider an M5 just an option of the 5-series. It's the same car with a different motor (which is a real common option) and a sport suspension (another common option) and possibly some body work (another option).

Well, the M example is true. Like there really is an M package for the car, and there's just the M3. Besides, they're sold as different vehicles in magazines, and in insurance companies they're (the C6:Z06 and a 330i/540i:M3/M5) labelled as entirely different vehicles.

But would an M3 CSL therefore be an "option" for the M3?

 

[Plague.Ghost]

Well, if that's case, obviously Saleen is producing a "production" car. It may Ford's car, but they're producing them.

Oh no, I was just adding another vehicle onto the "list" of American cars that can beat a 'vette.

But really, how many high-end American sports cars are there?

 

[Joey D]

But really, how many high-end American sports cars are there?

- Chevy Corvette
- Dodge Viper
- Ford GT
- Saleen S7
- Panoz Esperante
- Ford Mustang Corbra
- Pontiac GTO
- Caddy CTS-V
- Caddy STS-V
- Caddy XLR
- Caddy XLR-V

You need me to keep going?

 

[Driftster]

Is it possible to have everything in one car ? I'd say hardly. Of course you can take a luxury car and equip it with a lot of power, then you'll have a fast car for sure. A true sports car is rather puristic imo. I want to feel the street ( hard suspension), want to hear the engine and muffler ( = it's loud inside the car ) and I don't want to know that I drive around with 200 pounds of usesless luxury stuff like full electric leather seats and a 4 zone air conditioning.... I like the styling and unlike others I don't need a state of the art handmade interior... but that is just my opinion....

I agree...A SPORTS car is a sports car...2 seats rough ride and fast..

not cushy...

not with sat-nav...

not with alot of other dampening things..

and not sounding like a toilet flushing upon turning over

 

[Wolfe]

- Chevy Corvette
- Dodge Viper
- Ford GT
- Saleen S7
- Panoz Esperante
- Ford Mustang Corbra
- Pontiac GTO
- Caddy CTS-V
- Caddy STS-V
- Caddy XLR
- Caddy XLR-V

You need me to keep going?

Ignoring the fact that half of those are sports tourers or muscle cars, I'd hardly call anything below the S7 in that list "high-end." And that 'Vette entry at the top would have to be the Z06.

 

[Joey D]

High end? What the hell is a high end sports car? Actually the Saleen is technically a "supercar" so I shouldn't count that. He said sports cars and I delivered with them.

The Vette, GTO, and CTS-V all share the same motor. The XLR is a Caddy Corvette. I would consider them all sports cars since on the insurence certificate that is how it would read.

 

[Driftster]

XLR would be luxury sport..just like the CTS-V..

the vette is "Sports" as is the GTO..


and I think someone's forgetting the mosler m900 on their list of american cars..

which i don't think is a supercar of S7 standards...so could be considered just a high end sports car

 

[Wolfe]

Well, if we're being restrictive with our definition of "sports car," the only sports car on that list is the 'Vette (maybe the GTO). The rest are either tourers, supercars, or muscle cars.

Otherwise, I was assuming Plague.Ghost was talking about supercars and cars that perform similarly. As in, 0-60 in about 4 seconds or less, capable of 186mph, etc. That kind of thing.

 

[Driftster]

so just american cars that are supercars?

Calloway C7 corvette
Saleen S7
Mosler M900
Vectors
Vision K2
Cunningham V12
Cadillac Cien
ME412

Among others

 

[YSSMAN]

The Z06 model origionally was a package that you got on top of your standard Corvette back in the '60s. Just like with the SS, RS, or Z/28 packages on a sloo of Chevrolets, the Z06 was a better engine, transmission, suspension, and had a few other goodies that other Vettes went without.

Now, the Z06 is a stand-alone model. It has a specific engine and transmission, along with new body panels, a tubbed rear end, and a few other extra goodies not available on your standard C6 or Z51.

...If were going to talk about limited production American sports cars:
Berger Chevrolet Camaro SS
GMMG Camaro ZL1 (427) Camaro
SLP Firehawk Trans Am
Shelby Series 1
Unique Performance Shelby GT500E "Super Snake"
Mosler MT900/Photon
Cheetah Race Car (the actual name, production car)
Mallet V8 Solstice
Charger SRT-8
300C SRT-8
Magnum SRT-8
Crossfire SRT-6 (its more German than American...)

...Dont forget about the American Super Trucks...
Grand Cherokee SRT-8
Dodge Ram SRT-10
Trailblazer SS
Silverado SS
SVT Lightning
Lingenfelter GMT800 427 Twin Turbo

 

[Max_DC]

I agree...A SPORTS car is a sports car...2 seats rough ride and fast..

not cushy...

not with sat-nav...

not with alot of other dampening things..

and not sounding like a toilet flushing upon turning over

Well, not necessarily, although that might be true for the classic sports car. Audi RS4, Subaru Impreza WRX STI, Mitsubishi Carisma GT EVO, M3,, Nissan Skyline GT-R, Porsche 911 ... all 4 or 2+2 seats

 

[Joey D]

A sports car is just a car that is fast as hell.

 

[Poverty]

Like a SLK 55 AMG

 

[Mt. Lynx]

A sports car is just a car that is fast as hell.

Not necessarily. The Mazda Miata is considered a sportscar, and so is the Fiat Barchetta, and I would not consider them "fast as hell". It seems today as sportscar are just a little bit more enjoyable cars than average, ie even the Ford Focus or Golf GTi may be considered sportscars.

 

[Joey D]

Well then I don't know what a sports car is, so I'll just go by what the insurence says. If the certificate reads sports car then it is.

 

[Poverty]

To old people (the ones that buy the cars) if the car has over 170hp its a sports car.

 

[Sting]

OK i had Google define sports car and came up with two definitions from two sites, one of them being wikipedia.

Definitions of sports car on the Web:

* a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

 

[Poverty]

lol going by wikepedias definetion america has only got a few sports cars startint at the corvette and above.