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Eh, I'm not super impressed. Spider-Man was my least-favourite thing about Civil War; he was the Richard Hammond of the Avengers. Now the trailer for Homecoming is just a re-tread of the origin story and clichéd to the hilt - the "adorable nerd and his equally geeky best friend" schtick has been done in everything from Modern Family to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It's just tired, and little more than navel-gazing; the only thing it does is to tell teenagers that they can be social outcasts but still make an incredible contribution to society.
It's a shame, because there's a lot of potential here. In the MCU, Spider-Man is really the first hero from the second generation of superheroes. By the time he emerges, the world is already familiar - and even comfortable - with superheroes. And here is Peter Parker, an impressionable youth, who falls under the thrall of Tony Stark - a man whose heart may be in the right place, but who is also quite possibly the worst role model for Parker. There's a lot of potential for a really interesting story here, but the film apparently ignores this for the geeky teen with a crush routine.
That said, there are a few things that I like. For one, the look of the film is pretty consistent; not only with the wider MCU, but also with its own internal logic. I saw part of Rise of Electro where the Oscorp board decide to reform the company to distance themselves from the events of The Amazing Spider-Man, only to cut to Jamie Foxx in a laboratory that was apparently designed to create Weird Science accidents.
On that note, Michael Keaton's character is apparently an ordinary man who puts on a mask and becomes a super-villain; a kind of anti-Peter Parker. I think that's important for this film, because almost every villain in the franchise to date - Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Sandman, the Lizard, Electro - has been a by-product of Weird Science. And while that mirrors Parker's origin story, the franchise has been crying out for diversity in its villains (also, it's difficult to top Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus).
It's a shame, because there's a lot of potential here. In the MCU, Spider-Man is really the first hero from the second generation of superheroes. By the time he emerges, the world is already familiar - and even comfortable - with superheroes. And here is Peter Parker, an impressionable youth, who falls under the thrall of Tony Stark - a man whose heart may be in the right place, but who is also quite possibly the worst role model for Parker. There's a lot of potential for a really interesting story here, but the film apparently ignores this for the geeky teen with a crush routine.
That said, there are a few things that I like. For one, the look of the film is pretty consistent; not only with the wider MCU, but also with its own internal logic. I saw part of Rise of Electro where the Oscorp board decide to reform the company to distance themselves from the events of The Amazing Spider-Man, only to cut to Jamie Foxx in a laboratory that was apparently designed to create Weird Science accidents.
On that note, Michael Keaton's character is apparently an ordinary man who puts on a mask and becomes a super-villain; a kind of anti-Peter Parker. I think that's important for this film, because almost every villain in the franchise to date - Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Sandman, the Lizard, Electro - has been a by-product of Weird Science. And while that mirrors Parker's origin story, the franchise has been crying out for diversity in its villains (also, it's difficult to top Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus).
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But that's his story and who he is. Anything that gets away from that, would make a lot of the fans mad.
The important part here, is that they got away of the tone in previous iterations of the character. That alone will make this one different, instead of just a reboot. The tone in this one, is apparently the closest to the comics.
This won't be an origin story, from what I've heard, so another reason to be different.
The best part, is the universe itself around it. Now it won't be just a "lonely" superhero, instead, he is part of something much bigger. The crossover of other characters in this possible trilogy, could make his movies differentiate a lot from the previous ones.
Saying that this movie is exactly the same as the others, doesn't make much sense, especially since the criticism around it so far, is that it's too different from the others, due to Peter Parker's lighthearted behaviour and sense of humor. Now he even has web-shooters. Others criticize the fact that there is a lot of Tony Stark in it. I find it cool, that Tony gets an important role here.
I like this Volture, seems much more menacing than it looks in the comics. He got a facelift similar to Falcon.
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Plus, Spidey has wings. I mean, c'mon. No other Spider-Man did that.
The main thing that has ruined the other movies, is he's always saving a child. They way Iron-Man interacted with the kid in I3 was better than Spider-Man being given his mask back on the train or saving the kid in the car.
This one can't be corny. Ant -Man was a smallish money, but did so much with the character and supporting cast. I feel Spidey is in good hands from now. He can possibly get the black suit "properly", more villains will be believable after " the incident".
I'm still waiting to see what The Red Skull left behind, other than some Hydra weapons.
The main thing that has ruined the other movies, is he's always saving a child. They way Iron-Man interacted with the kid in I3 was better than Spider-Man being given his mask back on the train or saving the kid in the car.
This one can't be corny. Ant -Man was a smallish money, but did so much with the character and supporting cast. I feel Spidey is in good hands from now. He can possibly get the black suit "properly", more villains will be believable after " the incident".
I'm still waiting to see what The Red Skull left behind, other than some Hydra weapons.
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Maybe, but at this point, Marvel could reasonably expect audiences to be familiar with the origin story and so avoid doing it again. Why not make Parker a college student who has had his powers for a while, but has never really used them? He's always been "the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man", so what if he didn't want to be a part of the Avengers because he just wanted to a local superhero?
As for the fans, remember that they were vehemently opposed to Hugh Jackman being cast as Wolverine because of his stature and background as a dancer, but when they saw his performance, everyone was blown away. Likewise Heath Ledger as the Joker.
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The whole uncle ben stuff could be dealt with like how Snyder dealt with Bruce's parents in BVS.
Trailer looks fine, nothing too special (Tony being there seems needless) but I'm in either way.
Trailer looks fine, nothing too special (Tony being there seems needless) but I'm in either way.
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... Badly?
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Early in the movie with a montage, felt it did the job.
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I'm covering the MCU for other sites, and they have pretty much confirmed that the origin story will NOT be told for a third time. They will incorporate some Uncle Ben into the movie, but basically, his death and how Spider-man got his powers is not going to be rehashed. His appearance in Civil War was to establish that Spider-man was fighting small time crime for quite a while before encountering Tony Stark.
Furthermore, what will basically be covered is how Spider-man went from this:
To this:
Beyond that, it is all post-Civil War.
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That's the thing, in this movie, there's no typical origin story from the other movies. Maybe it will get some flashbacks, which is normal in this type of movies. For example, Parker telling Stark what happened, why is his aunt is single and how he got the powers. A little flashback to set the things on track.
In those cases, the actor's performance made the character remarkable no matter how different it is from the comics.
The problem is that you are too focused on the base story.
The important part is how the character is developed and presented. Look at Jared Leto's Joker, or Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn. No matter how close or distant they are to the comics story wise and how the script is written, they feel like a bunch of supermodels, on drugs. They don't feel creepy or threatening, instead they rely on showing abs and and ass to gather attention. For Leto's Joker, people only like him because they think he looks good. That's it, a sex symbol in a character that should look scary and make you wonder what his next move will be. In his case, he just looks like a painted model, with makeup to look good, instead of looking like a real villain. The same goes for Harley Quinn. The point is, the presentation is what matters the most, no matter how repetitive or not the backstory is. Their performance relied a lot on their looks, unlike Heath Ledger that gave the character some personality.
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Not at all. I think that the best films in the MCU - The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy - worked so well because they were more than just the base material. The Winter Soldier wasn't just a superhero film, it was a 1970s conspiracy thriller (hence the casting of Robert Redford) appropriated into a very modern context. So long as Spider-Man: Homecoming is doing a retread of the origin story, I can't see it rising above the basic premise.
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I can't see an origin like Iron-Man or Cap. Thor already had Mjolnir. He just had to mature.
Maybe Friday does a scan(probably has already as it didn't take long for Stark to crack S.H.I.E.L.D.s secrets) and briefs Tony about Peter's molecular structure.
Maybe the Team Iron-Man suit was armoured or light armour. The winged suit is probably more for hangtime around the skyscrapers.
How much of a flashback we get, I don't know. I think it will dumb down the movie, with an origin that takes up too much time.
Maybe Friday does a scan(probably has already as it didn't take long for Stark to crack S.H.I.E.L.D.s secrets) and briefs Tony about Peter's molecular structure.
Maybe the Team Iron-Man suit was armoured or light armour. The winged suit is probably more for hangtime around the skyscrapers.
How much of a flashback we get, I don't know. I think it will dumb down the movie, with an origin that takes up too much time.
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It might be different than an origin story, because in this they won't tell a origin story. Atleast that's what they said, 2 origin stories was enough. So I believe that, maybe apart from a few easter eggs or even flashbacks, the story will flow away from that.
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Sarcasm yeah!
Just some light heartedness.
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He did(I understand what you posted), but it's not like he was "Donald Drake, mild mannered physician and by the power of Cyttorak, Odin bestowed upon him, the great power and responsibility of Thor, the thunder god!". Oh, wait...
Mjolnir was already his. Noone else needed to wield it until Odin whispered sweet nothings to it. Was it an origin of him maturing as a hero like Hercules or an origin of how he got the powers he possesses? The origin of a new man? An honourable man?
I guess I see a comic book origin story as how did you get your powers, rather than, how did you mature.
Homecoming can represent Spider-Man without reference to a radioactive spider.
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The maturity of the character often goes hand-in-hand with the acquisition of powers. Peter Parker originally used his powers to benefit himself or for selfish ends until Uncle Ben's death. Tony Stark was recklessly irresponsible until he adopted the suit. Peter Quill was a renegade space pirate and scavenger until he had to rise to the occasion.
Thor's powers may be innate, but like so many superheroes, his story follows Joseph Campbell's monomyth (also known as the hero's journey). A key part of this is the stage known as the Refusal of the Call, where the hero essentially looks for a reason not to be a hero, mostly because they like life too much. Nevertheless, there will be some imperative that forces them into a phase called Crossing the Threshold, where they venture out beyond the world that they know. This is usually accompanied by some kind of maturity that is fully realised with the Apostasis phase, whereby the hero makes amends with the world and becomes the hero he or she was always meant to be.
A more interesting way of looking at Thor is as a blend of Richard III and Henry V. Loki is effectively Richard; an usurper to the throne looking to fulfil his own selfish desire - but, inversely, he may well be the smartest man in Asgard and the most capable leader, only to be unfairly cruelled by a biased system. Conversely, Thor is analogous to Henry, a leader whose privileged upbringing has insulated him from the demands of society; it is only when spurred into action (in a conflict he caused) that he realises what his role is.
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I'm glad we didn't get that vibe in Civil War. Black Panther hinted to that in his journey of the movie, but Spidey was more influenced(and judging by him rolling with IM in the trailer) and continues to be influenced by Stark.
Doesn't seem as though his thoughts on Cap's side have changed. We'll see.
Doesn't seem as though his thoughts on Cap's side have changed. We'll see.
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Yep, I mentioned that.
He's a teenager. Of course he'll be influenced by an intelligent, saved the world (literally), gives back to the community(communities) and who knows his secret and wants to help and needs his help. Most anyone, in that situation, would side with IM.
Maybe by the end of Homecoming, Parker has doubts about Stark.
Another thing. I did not know Tinkerer is in the movie. Things will make sense on all levels. I don't know if he made Shocker's vibro bands or Vulture's suit, but IF he got access to Chitauri technology, we can see where there would be a Spidey/IM team up.
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Did they just spoil the whole movie?
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...I've seen worse.
...Well, there's the whole Avengers and Iron Man/Tony Stark thing.
