Spirits
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Ouija boards? Seriously?
Watch it right through from the start to 5'30.
Irrelevant. Subjectivity is about as unscientific as you can get.
If it hasn't been proven, I'd call it "an unproven phenomenon". If it cannot be proven I'd call it "a delusion".
Oh you absolutely can.
Take alien abductions for example. You know of "greys", right? Little grey people, big heads, black eyes, abduct people a lot. Apparently they're busy little buggers:
Wikipedia
There are around 50 million accounts of alien abduction worldwide in the last 40 years. If even one-fifth of those include greys, that's 10 million accounts of alien abduction involving greys. Would you agree that they're absolutely right, as you indicate above with the volume of ghost stories, and that greys must exist as a result? Must there be truth there - or does it seem implausible that things never seen outside of a random chance "abduction" scenario take a couple of hundred thousand people a year and return them completely undetected?
How do you get so many independent people to tell the same story? Cultural heritage (or "TV and movies"). Everyone knows that greys abduct people. So when they have a kooky little dream about aliens that feels real, there's a grey in there and we get a new account of alien abduction involving a grey, to add to the hundreds of thousands of similar reports annually...
Of course we all know what ghosts do too. Feel a chill, half see something, feel a bit ill at ease? Ghosts!
People are always in a rush to explain things and when they run out of plausible explanations they resort to implausible ones - ones from cultural memory, like ghosts, witches, aliens or gods. Things don't have to be explained immediately - a right answer is better than an answer right now - nor do they have to be explained to stave off accusations of being inexplicable.
Again, it's a subjective irrelevance. It's either real and repeatable or neither.
Oh, I grew up in "the most haunted city" in Britain, regularly drove on Britain's "most haunted road" and my local school was "haunted" by a lady in red. Just so you know and all.
People don't have to lie to be wrong. They can speak what they believe the absolute truth from unshakeable faith and still be wrong.
Not knowing what to call something is a lack of an explanation. That doesn't mean that any other explanation will suffice.
It's wholly relevant to the point that if you claim something, the onus is on you to provide proof and not for anyone else or the community at large to provide disproof. Moreover it's wholly relevant to the entire point of claiming something intangible and invisible exists but you don't have any proof of it and you require others to show that it doesn't (which, traditionally, is proof that is ignored anyway).
And yes, I could have used a unicorn (the IPU), but I chose Russell's Teapot.
A religious person will (and has on this forum) state that they can feel the presence of their god around them at all times.
I'm still not seeing the difference between the personal experience-based belief in the supernatural and the personal experience-based belief in the religious. Indeed gods are often referred to as skyghosts for this reason...
The scientific man knows that the first thing he must discard in the pursuit of truth is his personal experiences - the sum of his bias and belief.
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To whom it may concern:
It is a very, very bad idea to purchase, construct or attempt to use a Ouija board. This is doubly, triply true if you are young, artistic, imaginative or in any way emotional in personality. The use of this device is tantamount to summoning demons or evil spirits, or other dabblings into the occult such as magic mirrors, animal sacrifice, necromancy, or other "black" arts. It is a very dangerous risk to your mental and emotional health, so please, don't do it.
If, for any reason, you find yourself involved in such a risky practice, always remember to, beforehand, utter aloud or at least mentally think of some variation of a positive affirmation that you want to do good and only be in contact with good individuals. A classic example of such an affirmation is the Robert Monroe (Gateway, Hemi-Sync) affirmation:
"I am more than my physical body.
Because I am more than my physical body, I deeply desire to experience that which is greater than the physical world.
Therefore, I deeply desire to expand, experience, know, use, control, and to understand such greater energies as will be beneficial to me and to those who follow me.
I also deeply desire the help, cooperation, assistance, and understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience is greater than or equal to my own. I ask for their guidance, and their protection from any outside influence that might keep me from my stated desires."
I do not in any way endorse the validity, merit, or credibility of any such experiences as Ouija. But it is something to stay very far away from, for the sake of your own health.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
It is a very, very bad idea to purchase, construct or attempt to use a Ouija board. This is doubly, triply true if you are young, artistic, imaginative or in any way emotional in personality. The use of this device is tantamount to summoning demons or evil spirits, or other dabblings into the occult such as magic mirrors, animal sacrifice, necromancy, or other "black" arts. It is a very dangerous risk to your mental and emotional health, so please, don't do it.
If, for any reason, you find yourself involved in such a risky practice, always remember to, beforehand, utter aloud or at least mentally think of some variation of a positive affirmation that you want to do good and only be in contact with good individuals. A classic example of such an affirmation is the Robert Monroe (Gateway, Hemi-Sync) affirmation:
"I am more than my physical body.
Because I am more than my physical body, I deeply desire to experience that which is greater than the physical world.
Therefore, I deeply desire to expand, experience, know, use, control, and to understand such greater energies as will be beneficial to me and to those who follow me.
I also deeply desire the help, cooperation, assistance, and understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience is greater than or equal to my own. I ask for their guidance, and their protection from any outside influence that might keep me from my stated desires."
I do not in any way endorse the validity, merit, or credibility of any such experiences as Ouija. But it is something to stay very far away from, for the sake of your own health.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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So what lead you? From your post I gather the following:
Something happened -> ghost
Thus I asked "So basically, something happens, and you assume it's a ghost?"
The statement of yours I was referring to:
It just seems to jump to the conclusion that ghosts exist.
Well, in the interest of not starting a new topic, I'll just point out that I disagree with all of that and that my point wasn't to bring up the validity of the universe, but to bring up limitations in perception.
You can experience something, and be completely sure of what happened, and at the same time be utterly and completely wrong.
I knew for a fact that I saw Santa Clause on Christmas once. I really did. And I knew it for years. Then I looked at it rationally.
Science is the tool. All you need to analyze anything is science.
Well that depends. Did that anybody have proof? If they didn't - and were trying to convince people that germs were 100% real - , they deserved to be pushed aside even if they were right. Because they would only be right by chance.
Now on the other hand, if they had proof, I doubt they would be pushed aside as easily. That's why germs are accepted now even though back a few centuries/millenia, ghosts were considered more real than germs.
Scientists already think alternative worlds may exist may that's what research has indicated. We can't interact with these worlds in any way, yet science has no issue with them because there is evidence supporting their ex instance.
Well like I said before, science is the tool. Plenty of "ghost like" things have been discovered by science, like neutrinos which practically don't exist as far as matter is concerned. No one was interested in/believed in these things before the evidence surfaced.
You've got it backwards. The lack of care/believe is not a cause, it is an effect. The cause is a lack of evidence.
Also, I have a question. You say that ghosts may readily interact when you visit them. There are many people who do this, as "professionals" and bring equipment with them to record and broadcast ghostly interactions. Why is it that they can never generate undeniable proof? If all it takes is being in the right place, we should have 1000's of hours of proof by now.
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Let me slap this one out of the window.
Ouija-bords are BS. MAJOR BS. If it was any bigger BS it could produce more power then Tsjernobyl.
How I know this? Experience. When I was in high school, I had a girlfriend who was into the witchie/magic/floatery/ghost CRAP, and on several occasions we made a ouija-bord, and several times, just for the stupid nonsense fun of it, we tried to contact the evil side, we all saw the ring move over the bord, everytime we did it, and guess what? Nothing happened. Nothing. And as it has been at least 15 years, something creepy should have happened by now.
But no, nothing happened.
One last thing : Nothing happened.
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I see people have mixed emotions about this subject.You will always have your believers and skeptics.It just comes with the subject at hand.
I on the other hand am a believer.Ever since i was 8 years old.
I was spending the night at my buddies house.We had just went to bed.I woke up in the middle of the night and seen a tall man standing at my friends bed.I thought it was his dad,since he was tall and pretty big, so i fell back asleep.I asked his dad why where you in his room last night?He said i'm not sure what your talking about as i was asleep all night.You were probably just dreaming, he said.
It freaked me out and i didn't sleep well for nearly a month.After this i've been a believer ever since.
15 years later i decide to get a group together and start doing our own investigations on the subject.Either to debunk or clarify if ghost's do exist.We have had much success and have been doing this for nearly 7 years now.We have caught many EVP's,VP's,shadows that shouldn't be there,intelligent knocks to answer questions and some things that make you say "did that just happen"?
This here is a few photos from one of our most recent investigations.Sorry that it is a photo of a photo,but my PC that had most of our findings motherboard fried and i have yet to fix it.
The place: Cherokee Rd. Graveyard established in 1788
Claims: noises coming from the graveyard and people seeing shadows or black masses moving between the gravestones.
First Picture
If you'll notice something in the left hand top corner seems to be very odd.My fellow investigator was asking questions and i was taking pictures.When i took this photo i immediately said"did you see that"?Something just walked right in front of us,i said.He agreed and right after that it got really cold around us.It was in the middle of summer so there was no way it should have been that cold around us.
It's great to catch something like this on camera.
2nd Photo
On the far left gravestone you will see something poking it's head, or whatever it is, around the back of the gravestone.On my fried PC you could see it much clearer.It is the same exact image from the top photo.To catch the same thing in two photos that were in two different areas is pretty astounding.It was like this ghost/spirit was following us around.
Sorry for the quality on this photo as i spilled coffee on it one morning.👎
I don't have the EVP's on me,yes because of my burned out PC.But i'll tell you what we caught.
1st EVP -"Why are they here"? After reviewing this and cleaning it up a bit we concluded that there were many spirits/ghosts,since it seemed one was communicating with another.
2nd EVP - We asked if any one is listening to us right now answer me this.How did you die? EVP - "Fire"
3rd and last - What _ _ _ Tree? It sounded as if it was asking a question,but we couldn't quite make out what it was trying to say in the middle of the question.
This was a pretty good investigation and since we were talking about sprits/ghosts i thought i would share this with you all.
I on the other hand am a believer.Ever since i was 8 years old.
I was spending the night at my buddies house.We had just went to bed.I woke up in the middle of the night and seen a tall man standing at my friends bed.I thought it was his dad,since he was tall and pretty big, so i fell back asleep.I asked his dad why where you in his room last night?He said i'm not sure what your talking about as i was asleep all night.You were probably just dreaming, he said.
It freaked me out and i didn't sleep well for nearly a month.After this i've been a believer ever since.
15 years later i decide to get a group together and start doing our own investigations on the subject.Either to debunk or clarify if ghost's do exist.We have had much success and have been doing this for nearly 7 years now.We have caught many EVP's,VP's,shadows that shouldn't be there,intelligent knocks to answer questions and some things that make you say "did that just happen"?
This here is a few photos from one of our most recent investigations.Sorry that it is a photo of a photo,but my PC that had most of our findings motherboard fried and i have yet to fix it.
The place: Cherokee Rd. Graveyard established in 1788
Claims: noises coming from the graveyard and people seeing shadows or black masses moving between the gravestones.
First Picture
If you'll notice something in the left hand top corner seems to be very odd.My fellow investigator was asking questions and i was taking pictures.When i took this photo i immediately said"did you see that"?Something just walked right in front of us,i said.He agreed and right after that it got really cold around us.It was in the middle of summer so there was no way it should have been that cold around us.
It's great to catch something like this on camera.
2nd Photo
On the far left gravestone you will see something poking it's head, or whatever it is, around the back of the gravestone.On my fried PC you could see it much clearer.It is the same exact image from the top photo.To catch the same thing in two photos that were in two different areas is pretty astounding.It was like this ghost/spirit was following us around.
Sorry for the quality on this photo as i spilled coffee on it one morning.👎
I don't have the EVP's on me,yes because of my burned out PC.But i'll tell you what we caught.
1st EVP -"Why are they here"? After reviewing this and cleaning it up a bit we concluded that there were many spirits/ghosts,since it seemed one was communicating with another.
2nd EVP - We asked if any one is listening to us right now answer me this.How did you die? EVP - "Fire"
3rd and last - What _ _ _ Tree? It sounded as if it was asking a question,but we couldn't quite make out what it was trying to say in the middle of the question.
This was a pretty good investigation and since we were talking about sprits/ghosts i thought i would share this with you all.
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StarfirebirdI see people have mixed emotions about this subject.You will always have your believers and skeptics.It just comes with the subject at hand.
I on the other hand am a believer.Ever since i was 8 years old.
I was spending the night at my buddies house.We had just went to bed.I woke up in the middle of the night and seen a tall man standing at my friends bed.I thought it was his dad,since he was tall and pretty big, so i fell back asleep.I asked his dad why where you in his room last night?He said i'm not sure what your talking about as i was asleep all night.You were probably just dreaming, he said.
It freaked me out and i didn't sleep well for nearly a month.After this i've been a believer ever since.
15 years later i decide to get a group together and start doing our own investigations on the subject.Either to debunk or clarify if ghost's do exist.We have had much success and have been doing this for nearly 7 years now.We have caught many EVP's,VP's,shadows that shouldn't be there,intelligent knocks to answer questions and some things that make you say "did that just happen"?
This here is a few photos from one of our most recent investigations.Sorry that it is a photo of a photo,but my PC that had most of our findings motherboard fried and i have yet to fix it.
The place: Cherokee Rd. Graveyard established in 1788
Claims: noises coming from the graveyard and people seeing shadows or black masses moving between the gravestones.
First Picture
If you'll notice something in the left hand top corner seems to be very odd.My fellow investigator was asking questions and i was taking pictures.When i took this photo i immediately said"did you see that"?Something just walked right in front of us,i said.He agreed and right after that it got really cold around us.It was in the middle of summer so there was no way it should have been that cold around us.
It's great to catch something like this on camera.
2nd Photo
On the far left gravestone you will see something poking it's head, or whatever it is, around the back of the gravestone.On my fried PC you could see it much clearer.It is the same exact image from the top photo.To catch the same thing in two photos that were in two different areas is pretty astounding.It was like this ghost/spirit was following us around.
Sorry for the quality on this photo as i spilled coffee on it one morning.👎
I don't have the EVP's on me,yes because of my burned out PC.But i'll tell you what we caught.
1st EVP -"Why are they here"? After reviewing this and cleaning it up a bit we concluded that there were many spirits/ghosts,since it seemed one was communicating with another.
2nd EVP - We asked if any one is listening to us right now answer me this.How did you die? EVP - "Fire"
3rd and last - What _ _ _ Tree? It sounded as if it was asking a question,but we couldn't quite make out what it was trying to say in the middle of the question.
This was a pretty good investigation and since we were talking about sprits/ghosts i thought i would share this with you all.
Good post
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- race_emhard
Not just a believer, I've seen it with my own eyes.
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- StarFirebird
- starfirebird
I did say this was a photo of a photo.So it wasn't in it's crisp condition.
Sorry you can't see what's in the photos that well.I'm sure if you look a bit closer you will see it and say "man what is that"?
@KillYouSD.
Thanks.I wish i had more stuff to show you,but my other computer is fried and that was where i kept all of our stuff.
I live a few miles from the oldest town in TN and i was giving a ghost tour to some locals.That night we had some killer pictures.It stinks that i can't show you the evidence.
Dotini
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Dear Starfirebird, I commend your bravery in exploring the paranormal and in subjecting yourself to the scrutiny and scorn of skeptics.
I'm specifically curious about your methods and technique of capturing EVP. Are you aware of, or are you using, the methods as documented by Raynes?
Respectfully yours,
Steve
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If that's supposed to be someone's response to the photo, then it's not very good evidence for anything.
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Thanks.
The first few times going investigating were a bit tough.It took me a couple investigations to get my mind clear enough to do it properly.
I'm used to the scrutiny online,but around here you don't get that.Where the town is so old and it's history of being a bootlegging town,there are many stories and eyewitness accounts that go on here.I'm lucky to live in a town this old.
To be honest,you telling me about Brent Kaynes is the first I've heard about him.I'll have to look into how he exactly does things.
The way we go about EVP's is if the place we are going to has a history say the property is from a certain time period,we will ask questions that coincide with that period.Usually we go to the local library and get some background info first.Just finding a name helps a lot too,so we know who we are speaking to.
We also use a Walking Method where we walk around different areas(being silent)stopping every so often and waiting for about 5 minutes and then proceeding to the next area.
Another one we use is the Era Method.After doing research on an area(as i mentioned earlier) sometimes we will use music from that era to get things going.Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.
It was just the first phrase that came to mind.Not intended to be the only response that is supposed to come from the photos.
Dotini
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How to "safely" and "reliably" see a "ghost":
http://www.themortonreport.com/discoveries/paranormal/might-this-be-the-best-way-to-see-a-ghost/
Notes:
- Nothing is totally safe.
- Nobody really knows what a ghost really is, or why this method works.
- Key words: "Psychomanteum", "Apparition Chamber"
- This method has been in use for thousands of years.
- If you follow the steps, it is said you have about an 80% chance of seeing a "ghost" on your first trial. But I don't believe this.
- Most importantly: "Need". Do you really need to see a ghost? This method works best if you have a genuine need to see one. By need, I mean you have unfinished business with a departed relative, such as "What is the combination to the vault?", "Where is the will?", or unresolved issues of a psychological or emotional nature.
- If you try this method, with or without genuine need, it will almost always be a relative that you see and have an interactive visit with.
- This method has little to do with science, although it has been investigated in various laboratories. As far we know , it has mostly to do with personal human experience, which is not normally considered to be part of science.
- It is not recommended that you try this at home.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
http://www.themortonreport.com/discoveries/paranormal/might-this-be-the-best-way-to-see-a-ghost/
Notes:
- Nothing is totally safe.
- Nobody really knows what a ghost really is, or why this method works.
- Key words: "Psychomanteum", "Apparition Chamber"
- This method has been in use for thousands of years.
- If you follow the steps, it is said you have about an 80% chance of seeing a "ghost" on your first trial. But I don't believe this.
- Most importantly: "Need". Do you really need to see a ghost? This method works best if you have a genuine need to see one. By need, I mean you have unfinished business with a departed relative, such as "What is the combination to the vault?", "Where is the will?", or unresolved issues of a psychological or emotional nature.
- If you try this method, with or without genuine need, it will almost always be a relative that you see and have an interactive visit with.
- This method has little to do with science, although it has been investigated in various laboratories. As far we know , it has mostly to do with personal human experience, which is not normally considered to be part of science.
- It is not recommended that you try this at home.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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"Bollocks".
Read it tip to toe. "Bollocks".
Note that even this is testable, but not once you've read that link - or any of your subsequent notes - due to prejudicing the subject (see my earlier notes on why more than a quarter of abductees worldwide report Greys).
Quite simply, all you do is get someone who hasn't read up on what to expect, or what "common experiences" with this... "method" are, put them in the environment and note their results. There's a million bucks waiting from the James Randi Educational Foundation if you can manage it (a hundred times) and it turns out to be true.
As it stands, it's a candle, a mirror, a darkened room and a bloke who knows what to expect reporting on his results being what he expected.
Dotini
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Okay. No argument. I tried to make it clear it's a poor idea to fool around with stuff like this. It is indeed better to stick with go-karts, video games, booze and sex for entertainment. I do. My post was for the sake of amusement only. One and all are free, indeed encouraged, to ignore it and simply move along.
Respectfully,
Steve
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Only on the basis that the impressionable are impressed - which makes video games, booze and sex just as bad.
The only danger posed by a candle, a mirror and a darkened room is if you set yourself on fire, stumble about, stub your toe and put your face through the glass. Just as the only negative of a piece of cardboard with the alphabet on it and an upturned shotglass is that the glass is empty.
(incidentally, I put "bollocks" in quotes, as you did with "safely", "reliably" and "ghost" and for the same reason)
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Ooh, I read about this recently, but I can't remeber where. There's a rational, scientific explanation as to why people see things if they stare into a mirror long enough. It's something to do with your brain stopping to process the bits that are staying constant, which would be pretty much everything in this case, which then causes these areas to filled in with the brain equivalent of white noise. hence the visions.
It's called something like the trozler effect.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to notice this. Ghost photos without fail rank behind car sales photos taken in the rain and at night and photos girls have taken of themselves in a mirror for Myspace on a list of worst photography ever. In fact, they always remind me of this guy from Futurama taking blurry photos at Roswell:
To answer the question at the top of the thread, no, I don't believe in spirits. I find peoples "experiences" of them fascinating and indeed I have a couple of friends who have described odd things happening in their presence so I don't feel too distant from it, but in both occasions there was no accounting for the power of human imagination in a fragile mental state.
Also, I can't be the only one who finds scientific method far too interesting to believe in hokus-pokus, right? It's what makes us human, striving to find answers for stuff rather than just accepting the first explanation for anything that pops into your head.
That's pretty much it. It's very much to do with the fact that a great deal of what you think you see is the brain filling in the gaps, since it's impossible to process all the information of everything you see on a daily basis.
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Interesting thread... 👍 To start off, I will say, I'm am not a believer... Even after having my own strange experience which I cannot explain, I am still not a believer.
Experience:
Roughly 6 or 7 years ago while on vacation in Thailand to visit my family there I had a strange experience which I will describe here and could be labelled as "paranormal." Before this event happend I was on a bus with my mother and aunt travelling from Bangkok to Lamphun (near Chiang Mai) where my family resides. This was a long trip and we arrived very early in the morning at our desitnation. I'd say roughly 5 a.m. or something like that. I was knackered from this trip and when we got to the house I said I was tired and went to go sleep upstairs in the guest bedroom which had a huge buddha shrine in the room next to it. The shrine will come into play again later on.
So without thinking I jumped into bed and went to sleep. What happend next is something I cannot explain, but do have assumptions about, as to what it could be. At a certain point in my sleep, my eyes opened seeing the window next to me, it was light outside and I know 99.9% for sure that I was awake or conscious. Now its gets strange.... Thinking that I was waking up I wanted to get up, but this was not possible. My whole body was in a paralyzed state and this freaked me out for a sec. Next thing I know my body shifted from being on my side to laying on my back and I was being lifted up and forward slowly as if I was being rolled over by someone or something, then gripping my arms and pulling me forward to "have a look at me." Next thing I know I fall back onto my back and gain control over myself again, kind of weirded out by the 30 seconds that just passed. I immediately dismissed it and pulled the blanket over my head and went back to sleep.
When I "really" woke up that morning it was 11.30 a.m. so this weird phenomenon happen somewhere between the moment I went to sleep around 6.30 a.m. and the time I woke up. I went downstairs and told my family, who are Thai, believe in spirits and are superstitious as well. They explained to me that because I did not go in the shrine room to pay my respects to the buddha and ask to sleep there that a spirit came in to check on me and see who was sleeping there... I, of course, dismissed this knowing my families background and not believing in such things in the first place.
Up until this day I don't know what happend that morning and it still boggles my mind as to what it could be. I presume it could have been an episode of sleep paralysis coupled with my sleepy, drowsy state from the long road trip which made me experience this. Anyhow, I still don't believe or think it had anything to do with a spirit or ghost and nothing similar has ever happend to me to this day. It will always be an unexplained mystery to me. I do admit it was freaky when it happend though.
Experience:
Roughly 6 or 7 years ago while on vacation in Thailand to visit my family there I had a strange experience which I will describe here and could be labelled as "paranormal." Before this event happend I was on a bus with my mother and aunt travelling from Bangkok to Lamphun (near Chiang Mai) where my family resides. This was a long trip and we arrived very early in the morning at our desitnation. I'd say roughly 5 a.m. or something like that. I was knackered from this trip and when we got to the house I said I was tired and went to go sleep upstairs in the guest bedroom which had a huge buddha shrine in the room next to it. The shrine will come into play again later on.
So without thinking I jumped into bed and went to sleep. What happend next is something I cannot explain, but do have assumptions about, as to what it could be. At a certain point in my sleep, my eyes opened seeing the window next to me, it was light outside and I know 99.9% for sure that I was awake or conscious. Now its gets strange.... Thinking that I was waking up I wanted to get up, but this was not possible. My whole body was in a paralyzed state and this freaked me out for a sec. Next thing I know my body shifted from being on my side to laying on my back and I was being lifted up and forward slowly as if I was being rolled over by someone or something, then gripping my arms and pulling me forward to "have a look at me." Next thing I know I fall back onto my back and gain control over myself again, kind of weirded out by the 30 seconds that just passed. I immediately dismissed it and pulled the blanket over my head and went back to sleep.
When I "really" woke up that morning it was 11.30 a.m. so this weird phenomenon happen somewhere between the moment I went to sleep around 6.30 a.m. and the time I woke up. I went downstairs and told my family, who are Thai, believe in spirits and are superstitious as well. They explained to me that because I did not go in the shrine room to pay my respects to the buddha and ask to sleep there that a spirit came in to check on me and see who was sleeping there... I, of course, dismissed this knowing my families background and not believing in such things in the first place.
Up until this day I don't know what happend that morning and it still boggles my mind as to what it could be. I presume it could have been an episode of sleep paralysis coupled with my sleepy, drowsy state from the long road trip which made me experience this. Anyhow, I still don't believe or think it had anything to do with a spirit or ghost and nothing similar has ever happend to me to this day. It will always be an unexplained mystery to me. I do admit it was freaky when it happend though.
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I'm not sure people should dig into the paranormal. It's not normal.
Dotini
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In America, Halloween is coming up on the 31st.
It's a good time of year for ghost stories. Thanks for sharing!
Respectfully,
Steve
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We have a local show that goes on location to places that have a history of being haunted. Its called "local haunts" and some shows are pretty interesting. Communicating with the other side is recorded, translated and replayed for viewers to enjoy, get spooked or whatever. Here's a link for who ever is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=local+haunts&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=local+haunts&aq=f
Dotini
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I seem to have the same ghosts in my house. Are the invisible, silent, moist, hot and very smelly?
In the telling of ghost stories, it is a rule that good ghosts smell like flowers, and bad ghosts smell like ****.
If you have ever had the feeling that, in your bedroom at night, you have been visited by an unknown or invisible presence (perhaps it has sat down on the bed next to you?), then you can tell a good ghost story.
It's okay to talk about ghosts. I'm a member of a physics forum where they always have a thread going about them. Several of the senior forum moderators have personal experiences which make them somewhat tolerant of others' such stories. It's astonishing, but most of them also believe in the general ideas of aliens - albeit quick to deny they are here with us!
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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I would say that I do believe in ghosts. I've never encountered one (thankfully, because it would terrify me), nor do I find these ghost hunting shows convincing. But I believe in the existence of the soul and the afterlife, so I therefore believe that sometimes people can become lost or trapped along the way, for whatever reasons.
