Sport modes biggest failing for the slow to average driver.

[rono_thomas]

Some are arguing what is the solution to "the problem".

Some are arguing whether this "phenomenon" is a problem or not.


But guys, let's face it, even the premise is off, the infamous "phenomenon" (unfair matchmaking, cant win) is already a lie, this is such a waste of time, and it's toxic. just move on guys

Click unwatch 👍

 

[_ApexPredator]

And the reason for that is back much earlier in the year the points allocation was changed in order to try to boost the numbers as there were so few racers at the A+ (Then S ranking) and the A ranking.

That isn't correct. The DR spread (the minimum and maximum levels for the rank) have not changed. The spread for D drivers is (as it was) 2-3,999 DR.
The spread for A+ (formerly S) is (as it was) 50-75k DR.

So again even the slower higher ranked and faster paced racers unless they screw up are given the advantage of higher finishing positions against lesser competition.

Which is meaningless. It will equate to minimal if not negative DR gains. No one wins from underpopulated lobbies.

 

[kilesa4568]

rewarding each class within a mixed lobby their own separate race finishes

Multi class finishes takes the biscuit for daft suggestions. We'd be stuck on the race result screens forever.

Just treat the dailies as they're meant to be treated. Point gatherers. Seeing higher ranks should see a better rake so you should be happy to race them.

Click unwatch 👍

Roger that!👍

I'm going to save what's left of my sanity.

 

[Jess_Pinkman]

Click unwatch 👍

thanks, didnt know that

 

[Groundfish]

It is very tough to remain sane when the leaders of this strange entitlement wordsmithing frenzy are not even drivers of the rank they are spinning yarns about.
I can’t wait to get home and try my shot at the gr3 race. That’s a really fun track for me.

 

[Outspacer]

That isn't correct. The DR spread (the minimum and maximum levels for the rank) have not changed. The spread for D drivers is (as it was) 2-3,999 DR.
The spread for A+ (formerly S) is (as it was) 50-75k DR.

No, it did change - DR C used to start at 5000, and DR S used to start at 55k.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ats-cars-feedback.362085/page-2#post-12090802
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ats-cars-feedback.362085/page-3#post-12104106

 

[_ApexPredator]

Ok my mistake, sorry for that. The point still stands though; the spread is still considerably higher, so when looking at matchmaking the dr score is more important than the rank itself.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Ok my mistake, sorry for that. The point still stands though; the spread is still considerably higher, so when looking at matchmaking the dr score is more important than the rank itself.

Yup and this huge spread is based off that last crucial second of pace where finding every tenth is brutal. Not to mention having the consistency to perform at the very edge when it counts. This is so much more demanding than advancing from D-B/low A. So the gap is really big even though its condensed to one second.

 

[Sander 001]

Some are arguing what is the solution to "the problem".

Some are arguing whether this "phenomenon" is a problem or not.


But guys, let's face it, even the premise is off, the infamous "phenomenon" (unfair matchmaking, cant win) is already a lie, this is such a waste of time, and it's toxic. just move on guys

Did you come to the conclusion that the premise is lie based on one player’s experience ?

 

[kjeldsen]

Some people are so damn frail and self-important, its pathetic.

You know, reading this thread i really get that impression from some very fast racers, a bunch of racers i used to respect for being level headed and friendly. Like this dude below. But after this discussion i am filling up the ignore list. Being fast in a game like this made so many people dense, "git gud" is alive and well, yeah right, doing 250 laps on a track just released to get the best lap is not going to happen for a vast majority of the players.

Congrats, you have summarized the entirety of this thread

I would never have thought that you of all would be one of the 1337 omg fast -> everything else kinda guys.

Only 304,500 inclusive of duplicate accounts can be shown in total since the games release to share this opinion by voting with their feet as it were and continuing to play the game for more than the 20 races it would require to ‘git gud’ that places that opinion in the minority.

Of that figure only 95,000-105,000 approx still continue to play sport mode weekly, weekly! and this figure has settled for 12-13 weeks.

That is a lot of players, and that should be enough for dynamic matchmaking.

Multi class finishes takes the biscuit for daft suggestions. We'd be stuck on the race result screens forever.

Why? everyone but the people in the rank wouldn't see a thing.

Fact:
Matchmaking in GT-Sport is broken, a field with 15+ seconds spread in essentially the same cars is simply wrong.

Matchmaking is not about getting a sure win, it is about being matched with people at your lvl. Modern games does this to keep the player base happy and healthy. FPS games that doesn't implement this bleeds players shortly after their launch.

Class wins are a part of racing already, implementing them in GT-Sport would be out of need because the player base are to small.

 

[rono_thomas]

That is a lot of players, and that should be enough for dynamic matchmaking

It may seem so but when its then broken down like this ...

America is the smallest region, so any problems of low player count are going to be worst there. It might be about 1/6 of the global GTS population as a whole (<1million / >5million), and we'll just have to assume that the same proportion is about right for the active players. So...

Daily players is ~40000. Divide by 6 for America: 6666. Let's say race C is what half of those focus on: 3333. Then there's people who play one or two races, and people who play all night, but at any rate that 3333 gets divided again due to playing at different times of day. If we say most of them are playing in the evening, 6pm to 12pm, do a couple of races each, and we ignore time zones, we're down to maybe 500 per race slot. My gut feeling is that's optimistic (mostly re. people playing at those times). Go pessimistic, and it might be half that - at that point, there's only a dozen races each time, and if it matches SR within 10 points that means it can't get to match on DR (or anything else), hardly at all. Away from peak times it's almost certain to get down to that number or less.

EU is probably triple those numbers, very roughly.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Which is meaningless. It will equate to minimal if not negative DR gains.

the dr score is more important than the rank itself.

Just treat the dailies as they're meant to be treated. Point gatherers.

Yup and this huge spread is based off that last crucial second of pace where finding every tenth is brutal

And Kaboom!
Latest NEWS FLASH!
Not everyone that plays the game cares about the DR points or continuing to advance into higher ranking levels.

Not everyone cares whether the top guys gain or lose DR points.

Not everyone cares what the top guys even think when it concerns lower ranking level issues that does not affect them anyway.

How ya like that for NONSENSE !

I would not be surprised if many that play this as what it is, a for the masses PS4 console video game and not act like it is a career choice or something just like myself cares at all about what letter ranking the game has assigned to what level it considers the players pace or skill level to be in relation to all of the other players within the game.

IT REALLY IS INSIGNIFICANT to most casual players!

Why is it so hard to fathom that seeking out that "last crucial second of pace where finding every tenth is brutal" is not the reason most want to play the game.

I think the numbers that point out how large the percentage of players that play less than 20 Sport Mode races show that the average casual guy does not place DR points high on the priority of their game play.

So many responding here seem to get so butt hurt that this is nothing but a game, it is not life and death and everybody that purchased this game cares about anything but just playing the game and playing the game that was advertised by the makers of such game.

Unless I got a screwed up copy of GTS my game includes SPORT MODE AS PART OF THE GAME.

It has been well documented the actual game is advertised as FAIR AND EQUAL RACING FOR ALL.

No where have I read that applies only in or for the higher sport mode racing classes.

No where have I read official game releases stating that a racer is racing with a primary goal of acquiring DR points to move up the ranking ladder.

No, None of the official game releases that I have read makes none of the statements that many here keep on insisting is the primary goal or focus of what the on line portion of the game is.

But maybe these that keep insisting these things actually know more than the studio that produced and advertised what the game they released to the general PS4 gaming population was actually designed to be to ALL THE PLAYERS THAT BOUGHT THE GAME.

If I would classify any portion of GTS to be maybe, possibly be more serious racer inclined or focused it would be the actual FIA events which are advertised to be e-sports events.

No reason for the lower class of guys in the daily races to worry about the POSSIBLY more serious aspect of those if they choose not to participate.

Maybe A SERIOUS GAME ACROSS THE ENTIRE ONLINE SPECTRUM it is what you want it to be but it surely is not advertised to be that is the game that was sold at retail level according to any release I have ever read.

I have never played Iracing and do not intend to actually, but that is considered to be the "hard core sim game" from what I understand. But even if it is considered hard core even they advertise fairness and equal racing among their ranks.
Below is how they advertise their product from their official site,

The iRacing portal operates four online racing seasons each year, thereby offering members an opportunity to participate in thousands of weekly races, featuring full-event fields, attracting global competitors. As a member, you will be able to experience the challenge of intense racing whenever and wherever you choose. And because iRacing.com automatically measures and aggregates the skill levels of each member, whether the driver is a novice, an expert or professional, the approach affords each racer an opportunity to compete and win fairly. The Official Racing program is based on a progressive license structure oriented to both oval and road disciplines. License certifications are measured and awarded on the basis of skill and clean driving. Classes include; Rookie, Advanced Rookie, Class D, Class C, Class B, Class A, and Pro Level.

They even show classes and advertise fair class racing from the top skill level to the bottom.
What I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE RACING SIM ALL OTHERS ARE MEASURED AGAINST FOR BEING A REALISTIC SIM EXPERIENCE.

So maybe this should be the platform that those that think the top level is where it should be at is really playing the wrong game.
GTS is a console GAME it is NOT A SIM regardless of trying to convince yourself otherwise.

 

[kjeldsen]

It may seem so but when its then broken down like this ...

Ouch, the game is dead, after this discussion , not a surprise.. i look forward to next week, maybe there is a daily race i want to spend time on :/

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Multi class finishes takes the biscuit for daft suggestions. We'd be stuck on the race result screens forever.

Can I please have Bacon, egg and cheddar cheese with a smear of mayo and a slice of tomato on my biscuit please?

 

[vvise]

This was in the Daily thread. Sounds like some D/S drivers really enjoy the current system.

Unfortunately I'm a carer and the bell turned out to be a late night request for a sandwich .

Well that was an experience. I re-entered Race C, did some qualifying laps in the time allotted before the race start, and took another 3s off my time. That got me P9 (1 position lower than my 3s slower time .) in a mixed grid of DR/S, B,C and D. I was one of only 3 DR/Ds. Bit of a mix of cars. Surprisingly only three 919s, but 4 Saubers (that's me ). Top spots went to L750Rs.

Race starts and autodrive dumps me in the middle of a freakin chicane! The dash for crash was on and the first chicane was a 🤬 storm. I had slowed right down to a) avoid hitting cars in front, and b) to navigate my way through. I had cars driving through me, those that didn't bump me that is . No penalty! Picked up my first penalty on the corner onto Mulsanne and on we go ! I somehow manage to make it round the track and found myself going up in position, having been dropped to P12 after the chicane from lap 1.

I pitted on lap 3 with 0.2 laps left in the tank in P6. I'd lost positions due to hitting a wall on corner exit at Arnage, and managed to do it again on the out lap. I dropped to some places, and for a lap and a half had a pretty tight battle with the guy who stared P6 in a Jag. On the strait the Jag and the Merc are pretty even, but at the top end the Jag is slightly faster. We spent a lot of the last lap side by side. He knocked me unintentionally, and I was trying really hard to give him the space he needed, but still made light contact. At post race he apologised, and I wasn't quick enough with the controller to return the favour. I doubt he's reading this, but anyway abbierust1, if you read this, sorry .

And the finish?
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Was a surprise. SR up from 88 to 95 (was 90 before the premature exit). DR up 1k, making up for the 860 I lost. All in all a pretty good result . Another day above DR 1 .

 

[Sander 001]

Multi class finishes takes the biscuit for daft suggestions. We'd be stuck on the race result screens forever.
.

Or we could just continue to use the 60 second end timer like we always have

 

[Woodybobs]

Can I please have Bacon, egg and cheddar cheese with a smear of mayo and a slice of tomato on my biscuit please?

For a second there I was trying to picture all that on a chocolate hobnob
Seriously though why does anyone need the game to tell them where they've come in their class? Can they not just see it in the results screen?

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I would never have thought that you of all would be one of the 1337 omg fast -> everything else kinda guys.

I'm sorry it sounded elitist but it's honestly what I saw in this thread. When I was a B driver setting lap times 2 seconds behind the Top 10 did I complain? When I was being matched with A and A+ (formerly S) drivers did I complain? No, I did not. I still remember the feeling I get every single time I faced off an S driver back then- excitement. It didn't matter that I finished 15 seconds behind, I was matched against an S driver! How cool was that?! Now as an A driver myself though, I can say that the S driver back then was probably annoyed at my excited self for not being able to bring neither the DR nor the challenge that he wanted

That's just me rambling, but again, apologies if that was elitist of me. I simply stated what I saw in this thread

This was in the Daily thread. Sounds like some D/S drivers really enjoy the current system.

You just gotta love that guy sometimes. Enjoying what he can and enjoys it pretty well

 

[Sander 001]

For a second there I was trying to picture all that on a chocolate hobnob
Seriously though why does anyone need the game to tell them where they've come in their class? Can they not just see it in the results screen?

No, the screen doesn’t acknowledge your class win, doesn’t go towards your stats or the Schumacher trophy.

 

[Woodybobs]

No, the screen doesn’t acknowledge your class win, doesn’t go towards your stats or the Schumacher trophy.

Why does any of that make a difference? You can see where you've come in your class. That game acknowledging it makes no difference.

 

[Groundfish]

I know for me facing off against a plus and a was very exciting for me when it happened that time.
Even as a C the first time I saw a B in a lobby I was like whoa that person is good I must be improving.
It’s just such a high quality experience to play whether you arcade or hotlap or race online.
If you get a lot of penalties you play with others who do that too.
I bought this game for me after noticing the ps4 was going largely unused. Got a t80. Found a friend at work who had the game and he introduced me to online gaming for the first time.
After a month or so got a ffb wheel. WOW. Mind blown at the technological quality and experience it provides.
Once a week or so race with 2 guys at work. Now they are both getting ffb wheels/making setups for that.
Never imagined myself when I got the game sharing photos and liveries with friends but that’s very cool too.
Look forward to morning coffee and a race or just a few laps.
Slowly over time I am improving my times as my techniques improve. The game rewards proper driving.
If I am curious what’s possible I can grab a top ten video and study it whenever I want.
I can go into walk mode and closely look over areas of the track where I am having trouble like you would on a real track.
I didn’t realize how subtle a lot of the track features are.
So to me it’s pretty funny to read people shouting about what GT Sport does or doesn’t provide and to whom. I can turn it on whenever I want and enjoy it’s quality.

 

[kjeldsen]

I'm sorry it sounded elitist but it's honestly what I saw in this thread. When I was a B driver setting lap times 2 seconds behind the Top 10 did I complain? When I was being matched with A and A+ (formerly S) drivers did I complain? No, I did not. I still remember the feeling I get every single time I faced off an S driver back then- excitement. It didn't matter that I finished 15 seconds behind, I was matched against an S driver! How cool was that?! Now as an A driver myself though, I can say that the S driver back then was probably annoyed at my excited self for not being able to bring neither the DR nor the challenge that he wanted

That's just me rambling, but again, apologies if that was elitist of me. I simply stated what I saw in this thread

You just gotta love that guy sometimes. Enjoying what he can and enjoys it pretty well

You are natural fast, you bring a speed to the track that not everyone can, the reasons they can't are many, and honestly they are not important. This thread should be about a community finding ways to improve their favorite game, not a pissing match.

Step one is to respect each other, i watch replays from the fastest drivers and i enjoy the display of skill and talent and take everything i can to my own races. And i do my best to race clean against obvious slow drivers, they are just as ENTITLED to their race experience as i am or anyone else.

And i may be stupid and ignorant, but i am 100% convinced that the best experience you get in a game like this is when you are measured against someone that is around your skill level. As i have said numerous times, that is what i do when i race, i don't even notice who wins, when the winner says "great race" to the 2nd place it has nothing to do with my race. But for the more casual player that doesn't live and breath racing since he was a fan of Ronnie Peterson it matters. They want progression that is clear to see, they want to feel the thrill of having a chance of a win. Something that the game provides for very very few players. And i can almost guarantee that had the game been better at keeping people active you would not only have a bigger field of the casuals, you would naturally also have more fast players..

Why does any of that make a difference? You can see where you've come in your class. That game acknowledging it makes no difference.

Of course it does, money, honor and class win added to stats. But let's test it at next years Le Mans

 

[Sander 001]

Why does any of that make a difference? You can see where you've come in your class. That game acknowledging it makes no difference.

*Makes no difference to you.

But for many players, trophies, level progression, unlocks, wins, SR, DR, earnings are not superfluous game design.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I think qualifying time plays a lot more into matchmaking than some seem to think.

Also to even go further I had posted in regard to an unscientific experiment I had done which was qualify at a pace 2 seconds a lap slower than I was capable of and entering 4 or 5 races noting the starting grid positions.
Then going back and qualifying again again at a 2 seconds a lap faster pace and starting the same number of races and noting the starting grid positions at the faster Q time.

My results were with both starting times that I was still placed in a 10-16th or so starting position only with the faster Q times I was now placed in faster lobbies with faster A level racers. The lobby breakdown as to mixture of rankings remained about the same.

So that debunks at certain levels being faster moves you up higher on the starting grid, no it just moves certain level racers to faster lobbies.

The above quote is what a personal testing some months ago of such theory on the slower/faster Q time influence made as far as getting a better starting position. In my experience at my current level which is and has been fairly stable for some time returned, not a better starting position just a different lobby with even faster higher level racers to maintain about the same gap in times and resulting in the same range of starting positions between the two lobbies.

And every day there's probably another A player that got turned off by matchmaking and moved to the FiA as well.

Until those A players need to regain the DR points they lost racing FIA.
But I guess that would not be actually gaming the FIA racing portion of the game by going back to the dailies to farm points for better FIA lobbies in the next round?

Maybe I've missed the reasons you mentioned. I'm sorry if I did and direct me to them. I don't have a problem with people in the lower ranks wanting to win a race. The problem I have are people who complain they can't win when they don't put in the time and effort that the winners do to win

Give them equal competition within their own ranking levels and against like paced competition then.
The racer that has worked his way up from the starting E level to high within the D level ranks has put time and effort into that advancement and if he was racing against equal competition which would be the top ranked other D racers which would happen be other racers within his class he has put in ample effort to deserve a D class win.

When he reaches the C class it is a rinse and repeat and when he has advanced enough to be competitive against the C racers then again he deserves his C class win.

Works the same all the way to the top, but when that D racer or any other class of racer is denied that progression and the rewards that should go with it due to being in lobbies with much higher leveled players then the playing field is no longer equal or fair but the games rewards are heavily weightrd to just the top levels being on the receiving end.

But somehow folks here are aggressively pushing a position that a casual racer should regularly get top five starting spots and chances to win

If that racer is one of the top 5 qualifiers within a daily race grid populated by equal racers then yes he should have a top 5 starting position,
as there will be racers within that class that still start 15th so no one is asking anybody for anything but to race daily races against equal competition that the game advertised as how the sport mode racing would work.

Some people are so damn frail and self-important, its pathetic. They'd rather lean on the illusory notion of having peaked than work their way up the ranks, encouraged by the same very people who lacked the constitution to do so, closing the loop. They'd rather uproot the system and undermine the competition to satiate their desperate sense of entitlement and a yen for validation through crossing the line first. Me Me Me, i'm so damn important!

Your opinion, if you enjoy being a grid filler for racers at much higher levels than you fine, enjoy finishing 15th.

But if you want equal races like the game promised you should not need to compromise your lower ranked finishing results due to matching placing you racing against unfair competition to you at your lower level.

This was in the Daily thread. Sounds like some D/S drivers really enjoy the current system.

When you have multiple thousands of players even on this forum not everyone will be of the same opinion or viewpoint.
They are entitled to their opinion but that does not make the issue be correct because that is how they view it.

I'm sorry it sounded elitist but it's honestly what I saw in this thread. When I was a B driver setting lap times 2 seconds behind the Top 10 did I complain? When I was being matched with A and A+ (formerly S) drivers did I complain? No, I did not. I still remember the feeling I get every single time I faced off an S driver back then- excitement. It didn't matter that I finished 15 seconds behind, I was matched against an S driver! How cool was that?! Now as an A driver myself though, I can say that the S driver back then was probably annoyed at my excited self for not being able to bring neither the DR nor the challenge that he wanted

Over the months reading your responses to threads you have always shown the desire to be one of those that were good enough to be at the pointed end of the spear and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

But others play this game much more casually and have no desire to be the fastest nor in the very top rankings and they are not wrong either.

I have not seen any lower level players overall want anything more than a level playing at the level they play, not once are they trying to deny the top level players their top level finishes or wins racing racers at an equal level.

Can you say the same thing about all the responses from the top level guys to the lower level guys?

 

[golfer07840]

It may seem so but when its then broken down like this ...

I can say that when I play, which is anytime between 6 PM and 11:30 PM (maybe 4 races a night?) That at least for 2 of the races, I see the same people playing. In fact, I run into the same people almost every night.

So yeah, I'm playing at the same time most days (or in this case evenings), but because the America's has such a small base to pull from, I'm getting repeat grids of all driver rankings.

 

[vvise]

When you have multiple thousands of players even on this forum not everyone will be of the same opinion or viewpoint.

yes of course, just trying to shed some light on both sides. at the moment I think we're hearing from a small but very vocal minority. i don't want to upset anyone.

They are entitled to their opinion but that does not make the issue be correct because that is how they view it.

i'm not sure i understand this but it sounds dangerously close to, that opinion is wrong because it's different than mine.

 

[Woodybobs]

I get trophy hunting but not in a game like this. In single player games and some multiplayer there are trophies that reward a person for approaching the game in a specific way like XX headshots, or XX jumps off building, collect some things etc., or for completing levels. Sport Mode doesnt reward playing the game in different ways so if you're here to collect trophies, you'll get them and leave, or you won't and leave. PD should not pander to such a person's wants. If you're playing Sport because you enjoy the racing and competition, the trophies don't really matter. They'll come or they won't but you'll play till you you've had enough. @Sander 001

 

[Alpha Cipher]

You are natural fast, you bring a speed to the track that not everyone can, the reasons they can't are many, and honestly they are not important. This thread should be about a community finding ways to improve their favorite game, not a pissing match.

This really sets me off everytime, so I'll first get this out of the way: I really appreciate it that you think of me as a fast player, I really do. But please, stop calling me a natural or talented. I really don't like those words

Anyway, as much as I want to see the matchmaking quality improve to that of FiA Nations/Manufacturer Cup standards, I can simply see no practical way of doing this without having an offset that's big enough to justify the change. Widening up the SR range, especially for >90 SR lobbies, will probably bring in even more chaos than the "demolition derby" that most daily players are already annoyed at. Having queues for dailies is a slightly better idea, maybe even good in peak hours, but it just falls apart in off hours, just like World of Tanks' matchmaking.

I'm sorry that I stopped respecting the lower ranked drivers amongst all my arguments. This was a genuine mistake on my part and I shouldn't have talked about them in a way that I did. All the points I have made still stand, however the wording I have used to create them should've been better.

Again, I feel the same as you that races will always be better with a close field than a mixed grid, however by placing a premium on clean drivers GTS will only be able to muster grids of the latter kind without resorting to minute-long queues in off hours

Here's an idea though: take a page off DOTA 2's MMR and have all DR E drivers race against each other exclusively. After 5 races the game will then assess their performance and bump them up to the DR level that the game deems appropriate for them. While it isn't exactly the answer to OP's problem, it could potentially help bring in new players by putting them in the competitive bracket they deserve to be immediately

Until those A players need to regain the DR points they lost racing FIA.
But I guess that would not be actually gaming the FIA racing portion of the game by going back to the dailies to farm points for better FIA lobbies in the next round?

Point being? That'd be nice if all the A/A+ drivers would farm back their DR after an FiA race so they could saturate that DR level and have lobbies all to themselves. But as you keep saying for the past n pages, this isn't the case

Sometimes I feel like you just reply to argue

Over the months reading your responses to threads you have always shown the desire to be one of those that were good enough to be at the pointed end of the spear and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

But others play this game much more casually and have no desire to be the fastest nor in the very top rankings and they are not wrong either.

I have not seen any lower level players overall want anything more than a level playing at the level they play, not once are they trying to deny the top level players their top level finishes or wins racing racers at an equal level.

Can you say the same thing about all the responses from the top level guys to the lower level guys?

What I've seen so far from the top guys are that they're just trying to relay the reality of matchmaking and how it works. If you win in a lobby with equal DR levels, then that's great. The "me me me I want wins I want wins I want wins" argument just came into play after OP revealed his 17% win rate. That is an outstanding percentage. After that statement it just felt like he didn't want fair fights, but rather wins (even explicitly stated it once). It just felt ridiculous after reading that and so that argument happened

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

The above quote is what a personal testing some months ago of such theory on the slower/faster Q time influence made as far as getting a better starting position. In my experience at my current level which is and has been fairly stable for some time returned, not a better starting position just a different lobby with even faster higher level racers to maintain about the same gap in times and resulting in the same range of starting positions between the two lobbies.


Until those A players need to regain the DR points they lost racing FIA.
But I guess that would not be actually gaming the FIA racing portion of the game by going back to the dailies to farm points for better FIA lobbies in the next round?



Give them equal competition within their own ranking levels and against like paced competition then.
The racer that has worked his way up from the starting E level to high within the D level ranks has put time and effort into that advancement and if he was racing against equal competition which would be the top ranked other D racers which would happen be other racers within his class he has put in ample effort to deserve a D class win.

When he reaches the C class it is a rinse and repeat and when he has advanced enough to be competitive against the C racers then again he deserves his C class win.

Works the same all the way to the top, but when that D racer or any other class of racer is denied that progression and the rewards that should go with it due to being in lobbies with much higher leveled players then the playing field is no longer equal or fair but the games rewards are heavily weightrd to just the top levels being on the receiving end.



If that racer is one of the top 5 qualifiers within a daily race grid populated by equal racers then yes he should have a top 5 starting position,
as there will be racers within that class that still start 15th so no one is asking anybody for anything but to race daily races against equal competition that the game advertised as how the sport mode racing would work.


Your opinion, if you enjoy being a grid filler for racers at much higher levels than you fine, enjoy finishing 15th.

But if you want equal races like the game promised you should not need to compromise your lower ranked finishing results due to matching placing you racing against unfair competition to you at your lower level.


When you have multiple thousands of players even on this forum not everyone will be of the same opinion or viewpoint.
They are entitled to their opinion but that does not make the issue be correct because that is how they view it.



Over the months reading your responses to threads you have always shown the desire to be one of those that were good enough to be at the pointed end of the spear and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

But others play this game much more casually and have no desire to be the fastest nor in the very top rankings and they are not wrong either.

I have not seen any lower level players overall want anything more than a level playing at the level they play, not once are they trying to deny the top level players their top level finishes or wins racing racers at an equal level.

Can you say the same thing about all the responses from the top level guys to the lower level guys?

I've never had a problem with the matchmaking algorithm. Neither when i was DR: E nor DR:A. In fact, whenever i saw higher ranked people, i got motivated to perform even better. And when i failed to beat them, it only made me practise even harder. I don't know, maybe its me. I cannot accept mediocrity. At the same time its a bit paradoxical, considering the further you progress, the more you realize just how little you know. It was evident to me in my mathematical studies, as well as being a devotee of Hegel, Kierkegaard, Goethe, you name it.

As far as i'm concerned, being clueless and ignorant is indeed bliss.

 

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i'm not sure i understand this but it sounds dangerously close to, that opinion is wrong because it's different than mine.

Not meant to, just pointing out that just because some lower ranked players are okay with the system as is and others do not mind being grid fillers to higher levels all the time many do not.
Two sides, neither one is always right or wrong.

After 5 races the game will then assess their performance and bump them up to the DR level that the game deems appropriate for them. While it isn't exactly the answer to OP's problem, it could potentially help bring in new players by putting them in the competitive bracket they deserve to be immediately

I have always felt that allowing a player to regress to lower DR rankings has always been a mistake in this game.

A driver earns DR through repeated performances over a period of time and then advances to the next level.
In my opinion if you are a DR ranked level driver today to earn that ranking you have shown certain skills and pace to reach that level.

Tanking ranking on purpose to drop back to lower levels to gain easy wins I do not agree with. If you are an A racer today you are not a C racer next week, you are still an A.

Granted you may be at the bottom of the points ranking in your new level but you showed the skills over a period of time to be there.

Just like the OP he has made it into the C ranking class and in my opinion he should not be allowed to be a D level racer ever again after obtaining that C rating.

Still does not change my opinion on the mixed grids but the OP should be a level C anyway.

I used to be more okay with having some races being a grid filler until it got to the point that it was probably 95% of the time or more that being in a grid filling position was what I was seeing that finally it got really old and yes I had many races I gained multiple positions and I also had plenty of races due to starting 12th -14th that I would get punted on the first lap and spend the rest of the race trying to get back to my original starting position.

Finally it just started getting old always being gridded mid pack behind higher level faster racers.
As a result my opinion on mixed grids is not likely to change, I have been on the receiving end of unequal races a few to many times.