Sport modes biggest failing for the slow to average driver.

[Alpha Cipher]

Tank the SR and easy wins.

sigh
Are you seriously gonna go there?

 

[Vader86]

This is one of my major complaints with Sport mode, and is why I really don't race online much. I cannot beat an alien in a race, so I should race anyway for the fun of just racing? No, not without a hope of victory. Driving for fun is qualifying. Racing is hoping to win sometimes, should be hard, yes, but there should be hope, and in a DR D rank vs some DR S and A, you don't have much hope.

If you want to win, you'll have to tank the SR and try to progress both ranks equally. If I ever get back into racing online that is what I'll do. You don't need to deliberately ruin anyone elses race to drop your SR enough so that the system does a better job of matching you.

 

[gregc]

But the one thing that I did see which totally debunked the different classes was fair in sport mode because of the different classes of racers in the same race in this series was because that each team was only allowed so many of each driver class in the team in the series so that translates to the racing teams on the grids were still equal all across the starting grid as far as class of racers went.

Not the case in Blancpain, you can argue that Silver Cup & Pro-Am are pretty even but (from memory) a Pro car will have some combination of Gold & Platinum, while an Am car will have Silver graded drivers at best.

There is one big difference between the scenarios based on what I've read in this thread - in real life the difference between a Platinum and a Bronze is something like 3-4 seconds a lap (around somewhere like Silverstone), whereas here I'm reading about gaps of 10+ seconds.

Also doesn't change the fact that, here at least, both Carrera Cup & Ginetta GT4 have multiple classes all in the same cars.

 

[Darwock]

In my case, I didn't have to tank my rating on purpose. I just did two Gr.1 races at La Sarthe this week. SR went from 99 to 31, lmao.

I started the long climb back up with the Gr.3 daily - first race was exciting and close, I qualified 11th and finished 3rd. THAT is what I play for; even though I didn't win it felt like I was an actual participant.

DR should definitely carry more weight than SR in my view - especially as they appear to be getting better at assigning blame. There were obviously quite a few lunatics on the grid, and I got knocked around significantly (missiled off track a couple of times) but did not receive penalties and my SR raised by 6 points after the race.

If they can get the 'blame' system close to 100% I see no reason why matching shouldn't be based on DR in the first place.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Not the case in Blancpain, you can argue that Silver Cup & Pro-Am are pretty even but (from memory) a Pro car will have some combination of Gold & Platinum, while an Am car will have Silver graded drivers at best.

But is not the Pro car and the Am car not within the same points class and scored separately?

 

[Groundfish]

Casual Joe the gamer will most likely not play long term in any racing game. No matter what you do only people who like racing enough and want to improve and practice will continue. Without interest no play.
Silly ideas like dumbing aspects of it down at low levels only means as soon as you get leveled up you get smashed and you’re in the same boat as before.
Way way more than a person needs to improve to a proficient enough level to compete is in there. You’ll never create interest that wasn’t there in the first place.
People aren’t stupid.
No point in providing artificial easy means to give unwarranted results.
You either like competitive racing online or you don’t.
Delaying the inevitable is not a solution to a nonexistent “problem”.

 

[azrilnazli]

sigh
Are you seriously gonna go there?

For those who really need the win for trophy,there's the loophole

 

[Groundfish]

The other thing that I have to say is IMO not qualifying is asking for a mess. Qual time plays into where you end up. Within the game at a weekly race basis you have as much time as you need to get your best qual time.
It may be controversial here, my advice is think for yourself and think like a racer.
Get up front as far as you can and leave the battle behind as much as possible.
Totally disagree to that one guys strategy. Qual time means a lot. Even if it’s a fluke lap you will have a better chance of avoiding trouble and get better racing within your rating.
Think like a racer. Take whatever you read online with a grain of salt. No one here has PD algorithms.
Do your best and the system works. Think for yourself. It’s good advice.
The advice given here NOT to qualify makes no sense at all. A lap or two is not enough. Spend 30 min or so then tell me the experience is not better. I will be standing by waiting to be told how wrong I am but that means nothing. The algorithms are what they are.
A lot of folks are pissed because people are realizing you don’t need a gaming pc to get quality in a racing title.
In a few more years it will be vr for people who don’t get motion sickness and the rest the same. The great thing about this game IS equal footing. You are not playing someone most times who has spent hours tuning their car or who has spent thousands on their ‘hardcore sim’ equipment.
If you do a bit of reading all you see with those people is arguments about whose physics are more real! News flash it’s just a video game.
Think for yourself don’t allow yourself to be brainwashed by a world of wordsmithing.


Peace and love to all.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

For those who really need the win for trophy,there's the loophole

Why would anyone really need the trophy enough to use that loophole?

Would you even proud of that? Can you tell your friends, with a proud tone,that you've got the Platinum in GTS because you tanked your ratings?

Eh, I give up. You do you.

 

[azrilnazli]

Tank the SR, collect your trophy and leave us who treat GTS as a serious thing

That is what I mean

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That's not what anecdotal means...

As for my observations "not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research." I think having been in most of the SR.99 races during prime time since the game released, my personal accounts do come close to research

I've even posted race starting grids, for example here while moving through the SR ranks

That's pretty researchy

Anyway the 00:30 am (EST) race (21:30 am PST) I was in last had A+/S to D/S, only 15 entries. It's simply a numbers game. Only 15 people at SR 90 to 99 to fill a room. DR is not considered.

 

[kjeldsen]

Casual Joe the gamer will most likely not play long term in any racing game.

So screw him? Why not try to keep him interested? There might be a chance that some of the 5 million Casual Joe's stays around, some of them will be natural fast and talented. Throwing them into 19 races with no chance of winning isn't helping.

No matter what you do only people who like racing enough and want to improve and practice will continue. Without interest no play.

See above and consider what keeps players interested in a game.. 3 weekly races without any matchmaking?

Silly ideas like dumbing aspects of it down at low levels only means as soon as you get leveled up you get smashed and you’re in the same boat as before. Way way more than a person needs to improve to a proficient enough level to compete is in there.

Who talked about dumbing down anything? LVL progression works and is the cornerstone of so many games that claiming it does not work is not only wrong, it is ignorant. The central problem of GT-Sport online is that you are competing against the top few percent, its like asking a amateur boxer to go up against Mike Tyson.

You’ll never create interest that wasn’t there in the first place.

The interest was there (add to basket *click*) the problem is the game is not doing enough to keep the interest.

People aren’t stupid.
No point in providing artificial easy means to give unwarranted results.
You either like competitive racing online or you don’t.
Delaying the inevitable is not a solution to a nonexistent “problem”.

Well i am not sure about the first thing, but i am absolutely certain that the winner of a D class race understands he did not beat any A drivers.. doh..
Just like a GTE Am winner did not win the GTE Pro class...

The problem is real, there is plenty of examples in this thread.

 

[baldgye]

As for my observations "not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research." I think having been in most of the SR.99 races during prime time since the game released, my personal accounts do come close to research

I've even posted race starting grids, for example here while moving through the SR ranks

That's pretty researchy

Anyway the 00:30 am (EST) race (21:30 am PST) I was in last had A+/S to D/S, only 15 entries. It's simply a numbers game. Only 15 people at SR 90 to 99 to fill a room. DR is not considered.

I wasn't a slight at you by the way, I just wanted to try and remind people that just because you have a lot of experience, doesn't mean it just becomes research.

Research
The systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions.

I don't have an agenda and I've made my points on this in the first few pages (the problem is not enough people play Sport mode, end-of). But I think it's foolhardy to try and find some deep meaning in anecdotes, and pass it off as research.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

For those who really need the win for trophy,there's the loophole

sigh
Are you seriously gonna go there?

So many claim that all the lower ranked racers want is easier wins!
That option is already there with the "tank the rankings" approach so that sort of goes against that being used as to what the lower racers are looking for.

Different to win against lower level racers that are little to no competition than to earn wins against a field that is of equal competition to the racer regardless of his level wouldn't you say?"

Why would anyone really need the trophy enough to use that loophole?

Would you even proud of that? Can you tell your friends, with a proud tone,that you've got the Platinum in GTS because you tanked your ratings?

So that would be different how in reality as a top ranked racer of you telling your friends that you are in the top 1% of all racers in GTS and you have 60 wins, 35 poles and 42 fastest laps in 135 sport mode races in GTS ................... when you left out the below information?

I am sure you "proudly" are also going to tell your friends that in the daily sport mode races where you accumulated your "impressive" stats and top ratings that probably 60% of the racers were of a much lower ranking and slower pace as they were not as skilled playing the game as the top racers so actually never really had a chance to win the race from the beginning anyway.

Tell me what the difference is as far as the end results and the trophies acquired as by the top level racer and the racer that tanked his rankings both may well be obtained by racing against lower level competition rather than a field that is filled with equal competition in all the grids position within a race?

Actually what that is saying is that the lower ranked players that from what I have seen within this thread actually are the only ones wanting to raise the bar for race wins because they are the only ones that want to see changes that result in racing that does in fact result in only racing grids of equal competition.

But yet that is twisted as saying the lower ranked just want things easier. Right keep telling yourself that while collecting your race wins against slower competition just like the guy that tanked his rating on purpose!

 

[klondike]

That's true. I'm a long way from getting any of those trophies. Awarding wins/pp/fl for best in class just provides another way of farming them by playing at off-peak times. It won't encourage people to continue playing the game for longer. Those who only want the trophies will get them and leave.

I dont think thats true for eveyone. Personaly I am a bit OCD. I would like to have all the trophies.

And I can also admit that I tanked my rating to achive online wins. Since there is absolutely no way its posibel for a normal person to get the wins without doing it. Its one of many bad desing done by PD.

That dosent mean I am not enjoying the game or trying to get better. I dont think I will stop playing even when I have all the trophies.

Actually I think that most people that play only to get as many trophies as posibel will stay clear of GT sport, because realisticly its one of those games that are close to imposibel to 100 % all trophies.

Just for anyone that would like to 100 % the game trophies, the best strategy is to tank rating as soon as posibel and get wins while there are still people playing, as it gets harder and harder over time as the player base shrinks even more and more.

Also another argument for trying to get trophies asap, is that when PD patches the game there is a high likely hood they will at some point make some trophies even harder / imposibel to achive.

Its just sad that PD dont balance their game mecanics more. The economy / XP system in this game is very unbalanced. The online Mathing system is also very unbalanced. But PD dont seem to even test or care about it.

Just sad and even more sad that in such a small community as GTP is people are getting to agry with eachother.

Its sad that there is a few elitist players that are so vocal, when its quite clear that a very large majority dont like the system as it is. It is obvious that the system needs to be looked upon and making a more fair and equal system where everyone has a chance to race against people at there own level most of the time.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

So that would be different how in reality as a top ranked racer of you telling your friends that you are in the top 1% of all racers in GTS and you have 60 wins, 35 poles and 42 fastest laps in 135 sport mode races in GTS ................... when you left out the below information?

I am sure you "proudly" are also going to tell your friends that in the daily sport mode races where you accumulated your "impressive" stats and top ratings that probably 60% of the racers were of a much lower ranking and slower pace as they were not as skilled playing the game as the top racers so actually never really had a chance to win the race from the beginning anyway.

Tell me what the difference is as far as the end results and the trophies acquired as by the top level racer and the racer that tanked his rankings both may well be obtained by racing against lower level competition rather than a field that is filled with equal competition in all the grids position within a race?

Actually what that is saying is that the lower ranked players that from what I have seen within this thread actually are the only ones wanting to raise the bar for race wins because they are the only ones that want to see changes that result in racing that does in fact result in only racing grids of equal competition.

But yet that is twisted as saying the lower ranked just want things easier. Right keep telling yourself that while collecting your race wins against slower competition just like the guy that tanked his rating on purpose!

Actually no I don't really brag my wins, poles, or fastest laps to my friends for that specific reason. Right now all I tell them are my FiA races and whenever I get a Top 10. They know my stats, but it's never really a point of discussion. It just sort of went "ah yeah I do have those stats"

Why'd you expect me to be proud of those stats?

 

[mthomas_95]

Actually no I don't really brag my wins, poles, or fastest laps to my friends for that specific reason. All I tell them are my FiA races and whenever I get a Top 10. They know my stats, but it's never really a point of discussion. It just sort of went "ah yeah I do have those stats"

Why'd you expect me to be proud of those stats?

Haven't you heard that ALL A+ drivers are just blood sucking ELITIST monsters that take great pleasure in destroying lower ranked guys despite all evidence to the contrary

My pole position yesterday was my first in over 3 months. Yet we have it so easy don't you know!

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Haven't you heard that ALL A+ drivers are just blood sucking ELITIST monsters that take great pleasure in destroying lower ranked guys despite all evidence to the contrary

My pole position yesterday was my first in over 3 months. Yet we have it so easy don't you know!

 

[Riptide]

Haven't you heard that ALL A+ drivers are just blood sucking ELITIST monsters that take great pleasure in destroying lower ranked guys despite all evidence to the contrary

My pole position yesterday was my first in over 3 months. Yet we have it so easy don't you know!

You forgot to add that GTS will soon "die a painfull death", so it won't matter anyway.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

My pole position yesterday was my first in over 3 months. Yet we have it so easy don't you know!

And that means what exactly?

How about the D level racer that has maybe one pole in 200 races if he is lucky, but wait he has been the FASTEST RACER WITHIN HIS CLASS 18 TIMES............ only in every one of those races it was a lobby where a B level or higher racer got the pole award for the position.

Now you tell again me how the lower ranked racer accomplishing is the same thing as a top level racer the same again?

EVERY RACE YOU ENTER you have the chance to be actually be awarded pole position as you are racing against no racers of a higher ranking class than yourself!

When that lower level racer has that same scenario and odds of getting a pole then you come back and tell me you do not have any easier time getting a pole position as the lower level racer within a mixed level sport mode race.

Until then you just keep lying to yourself that the lower level players enter races with the same chances for top results as you have.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Haven't you heard that ALL A+ drivers are just blood sucking ELITIST monsters that take great pleasure in destroying lower ranked guys despite all evidence to the contrary

My pole position yesterday was my first in over 3 months. Yet we have it so easy don't you know!

Meanwhile OP winning on a daily basis, probably several times a day too.

 

[Groundfish]

The real problem with GT Sport (the real driving simulator) sport mode is that it’s quality is taking players away from other games creating animosity from some ‘hardcore sim’ people who have a lot of time invested in other places.
If it wasn’t so good, people would not troll thread and wordsmith like this.

 

[rono_thomas]

The real problem with GT Sport (the real driving simulator) sport mode is that it’s quality is taking players away from other games creating animosity from some ‘hardcore sim’ people who have a lot of time invested in other places.
If it wasn’t so good, people would not troll thread and wordsmith like this.

How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Woodybobs]

I dont think thats true for eveyone. Personaly I am a bit OCD. I would like to have all the trophies.

And I can also admit that I tanked my rating to achive online wins. Since there is absolutely no way its posibel for a normal person to get the wins without doing it. Its one of many bad desing done by PD.

That dosent mean I am not enjoying the game or trying to get better. I dont think I will stop playing even when I have all the trophies.

Actually I think that most people that play only to get as many trophies as posibel will stay clear of GT sport, because realisticly its one of those games that are close to imposibel to 100 % all trophies.

Just for anyone that would like to 100 % the game trophies, the best strategy is to tank rating as soon as posibel and get wins while there are still people playing, as it gets harder and harder over time as the player base shrinks even more and more.

Also another argument for trying to get trophies asap, is that when PD patches the game there is a high likely hood they will at some point make some trophies even harder / imposibel to achive.

Its just sad that PD dont balance their game mecanics more. The economy / XP system in this game is very unbalanced. The online Mathing system is also very unbalanced. But PD dont seem to even test or care about it.

Just sad and even more sad that in such a small community as GTP is people are getting to agry with eachother.

Its sad that there is a few elitist players that are so vocal, when its quite clear that a very large majority dont like the system as it is. It is obvious that the system needs to be looked upon and making a more fair and equal system where everyone has a chance to race against people at there own level most of the time.

Giving people another way to farm trophies will not make people play longer. If you like playing you'll continue to play. If you don't you'll stop. If you don't want to continue playing but you do want trophies you'll get them in whatever is the quickest way, then stop.

I was really talking about awarding wins etc. for results in class in mixed level grids. A win should not be awarded for beating a handful of opponents when most people have to beat a full grid of their peers. It would devalue the achievement. Anyone can see where they've finished and award themselves with best in class. The game does not need to tell us that.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Why would anyone really need the trophy enough to use that loophole?

Would you even proud of that? Can you tell your friends, with a proud tone,that you've got the Platinum in GTS because you tanked your ratings?

Eh, I give up. You do you.

Seriously. At this point they should just make BS fake loser trophy's like Overwatch so everyone can feel like a winner. They could do Highest Top Speed, T1 Survivor, Fastest Hairpin Exit, and the ultimate skill test... Fastest Pit Time.

I know I'm being contemptuous about the trophies but seriously, a lot of people would eat that slop up.

 

[kjeldsen]

Seriously. At this point they should just make BS fake loser trophy's like Overwatch so everyone can feel like a winner. They could do Highest Top Speed, T1 Survivor, Fastest Hairpin Exit, and the ultimate skill test... Fastest Pit Time.

I know I'm being contemptuous about the trophies but seriously, a lot of people would eat that slop up.

I could be wrong but it seems like you have a few issues with overwatch?

A extremely popular fps game with millions of players that enjoy themselves ..

 

[Sander 001]

That's true. I'm a long way from getting any of those trophies. Awarding wins/pp/fl for best in class just provides another way of farming them by playing at off-peak times. It won't encourage people to continue playing the game for longer. Those who only want the trophies will get them and leave.

So that 0.1% of players got the trophy and quit the game.
Actually less than that because I have people on my friends list who got the trophy and are still playing the game.

 

[Woodybobs]

The trophy hunters who don't get them also leave. Either way, if they're not enjoying the racing, they are not going be part of the community in the long term. Making the trophies easier to get will not make them stay.

Those who enjoy the game will play. Some (me included) will hope to get the trophies by the time they move on. If I reach a point where I'm not going to play GTS much longer I'll decide if I want the trophies or not (if I haven't got them). At that point, if I decide to go for them, I'll do it in the quickest possible way. Making them easier to get won't make me play longer. It just offers another way to farm them.

Wins etc. are rare in this game. Unless one gets reset by the game or deliberately tanks one's rating a win is hard to come by. I have 8 in 204 finishes (210 starts). 99% of those races (all the wins) were full grids with the same DR. I suspect my return is quite low but for most people winning is not a regular occurrence. It's an accepted part of the game. People do play despite knowing that they will most likely not win their next race.
@Sander 001

 

[azrilnazli]

Winning is easy if you have the patient.

For example on this week's Race B at Lake Magiore, if you put some effort to clock 1:57 - 1:59, then it will be an easy TOP 5.

Once in TOP 5 regurlary, the next thing to master is RaceCraft and choose a suitable car just to attack the track.

 

[Mr616]

Sorry to kinda derail the thread, but am I right in thinking some people are playing games just to get the trophies then move on to something else?

Whatever happened to playing a game you enjoy, and if you're good at it you'll acquire trophies. If you're not good you won't but that shouldn't detract from your enjoyment of the game.

I race because I love racing. I understand that in this genre, and racing IRL, that winners are a very select and small %.

You're telling me, that a game that pits you against other real people online, (and regardless of skill), you should just be able to get every trophy over time? Even with racing people on the same level as you may still result in zero wins, zero poles. This is racing.

The achievement is bettering yourself. Not a pixel "platinum" trophy.

Racing is racing, be it for first place or 17th.

Rant over.