Standard Aero?

[Lock2Lock]

If you try what I said with the 370z, you will feel a difference. If you don't feel a difference, I call bull. I am not the only one that has seen this have a effect on the car's handling. It is very small to notice it on DS3, but with a wheel you feel the FFB change when doing a 40-70 MPH slalom. Don't say it doesn't make a difference if it is on a wheel vs controller, because a DS3 doesn't offer a feeling of what the car is doing, hints why I keep saying you can feel it.

It may not work as it should at high speeds while racing, but there is a difference in feel alone between 40-70 MPH going through a slalom like on Suzuka Circuit East Course. Like I have said before, it may not work on par with real life as it should, but it is there. You guys are correct though, it doesn't have any effect at high speeds (which probably explains there isn't any changes in lap times).

Anyway, if you don't care to try what I am asking, I am honestly done trying to explain this. Wasting my breath if you won't even listen. If it didn't have a effect, honestly I wouldn't be typing all of this, or having this discussion at all.

 

[Exorcet]

I wasn't going to post until I tested, but the controller argument is garbage. If it works with a wheel but doesn't with a controller, then you're probably imagining it. Feel means nothing because it's not objective or conclusive. If the canards do something, the car's behavior will change and this change can be measured. The result would be conclusive.

The feel in racing would be more than that in a slalom, that's simple physics. And if GT is that far off that this isn't the case, the GT Auto parts might as well be banana peel machine guns.

Also, I hope you see the very obvious problem with your line of reasoning.

"Anyway, if you don't care to try what I am asking, I am honestly done trying to explain this. Wasting my breath if you won't even listen. If it didn't have a effect, honestly I wouldn't be typing all of this, or having this discussion at all."

As if, should the GT parts actually have an effect, we'd still be here saying it's not. You backing out is only the result of your inability to prove something because it most likely isn't true. Saying it's true or saying you're wasting breath gives you no credibility.

If what you were saying was true, who would argue? The reason for the argument is because the claim you're making appears to be weak. Still I'll be testing it again, for the millionth time, just to be sure.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I wasn't going to post until I tested, but the controller argument is garbage. If it works with a wheel but doesn't with a controller, then you're probably imagining it. Feel means nothing because it's not objective or conclusive. If the canards do something, the car's behavior will change and this change can be measured. The result would be conclusive.

You still miss understood what I was talking about when I mentioned wheel vs the controller.

All I meant by mentioning that, is that you will be able to feel the change better. Try to ask a question if you don't know what I meant instead of assuming. If you can't understand that, then there is absolutely no way I am going to get this through to you.

What do you mean by measured? If you mean the by a number, then we have been over this already. It can't be adjusted, nor is it on the very front of the bumper, so there is absolutely no number on the Aerodynamic Selection in the tuning menu. Don't know why they didn't put it in, but they didn't, it has a default effect.

I agree that it doesn't perform like it should, but all I was stating is that they do affect the car in some way.

 

[killerjimbag]

You still miss understood what I was talking about when I mentioned wheel vs the controller.

All I meant by mentioning that, is that you will be able to feel the change better. Try to ask a question if you don't know what I meant instead of assuming. If you can't understand that, then there is absolutely no way I am going to get this through to you.

What do you mean by measured? If you mean the by a number, then we have been over this already. It can't be adjusted, nor is it on the very front of the bumper, so there is absolutely no number on the Aerodynamic Selection in the tuning menu. Don't know why they didn't put it in, but they didn't, it has a default effect.

I agree that it doesn't perform like it should, but all I was stating is that they do affect the car in some way.

It is a decorative piece,something like a rear wing you see on some street fanboys car, with the fart can, that does actually nothing but add weight.They are designed for downforce which is generated at speed.Which I am pretty sure is not between 40 to 75 MPH. I will give you a link to an article that explains the whole
use of BUMPER and SIDE canyards which are affixed to the front of the bumper (look at pictures in the article) .
Please read the whole article especially the very last sentence before you reply.

http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/canards.html

 

[Lock2Lock]

It is a decorative piece,something like a rear wing you see on some street fanboys car, with the fart can, that does actually nothing but add weight.They are designed for downforce which is generated at speed.Which I am pretty sure is not between 40 to 75 MPH. I will give you a link to an article that explains the whole
use of BUMPER and SIDE canyards which are affixed to the front of the bumper (look at pictures in the article) .
Please read the whole article especially the very last sentence before you reply.

http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/canards.html

Still missing the point that I was trying to get across.

I know how it is supposed to affect the car. What I am stating is that it has a effect, just not the way it is supposed to. That's what I have been trying to say this whole time. I don't know how differently In can word it.

I agree that it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, all I am saying is that it has a effect, but not in the right place. Been trying to say this the whole time.

 

[killerjimbag]

Still missing the point that I was trying to get across.

I know how it is supposed to affect the car. What I am stating is that it has a effect, just not the way it is supposed to. That's what I have been trying to say this whole time. I don't know how differently In can word it.

I agree that it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, all I am saying is that it has a effect, but not in the right place. Been trying to say this the whole time.

What?
God I will be so glad when my holidays are over.
COME ON MONDAY!

 

[Lock2Lock]

What?
God I will be so glad when my holidays are over.
COME ON MONDAY!

What's the problem? Do you still not understand what I have been trying to say?

I honestly don't understand how I could be any more clear. If you still do not get what I have been saying this whole time, then I honestly don't know what else to say.

 

[Exorcet]

Tested. The canards make absolutely no difference.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Tested. The canards make absolutely no difference.

Did you do what I said?
This...

Do me a favor.

Go buy the Premium 2008 Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34).

Buy one with and one with the front extention part (not the bumper splitter, the "extension" part). Do not buy anything else. Go to Suzuka Circuit East Course.

Put racing line on and try to follow it or just try to stay to the inside.

Note-
No aids including no ABS
Brake Bias-
Front- 1
Rear- 0

I am doing this as we speak just to make sure I am right. I am on my G27 and even the FFB changes dramatically between the two cars.

 

[Exorcet]

Yes, that was the whole point.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Yes, that was the whole point.

Just wanted to make sure. I honestly don't believe it, you can feel a difference. I feel the difference in feeling on my wheel (no I am not the only one who does). I will see about making it easier to see on controller for you.

Please do not say it doesn't matter which controller input you use, because it does. Amongst many other things too.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Do you think parts such as the flywheels and drive shafts have any affect in the game?

I do hope that this example isn't being used to add weight to your argument, as the performance gains in acceleration, ultimate top speed, and overall lap times from installing either or both of those parts are easily quantified -- a luxury the debated aero parts lack.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I do hope that this example isn't being used to add weight to your argument, as the performance gains in acceleration, ultimate top speed, and overall lap times from installing either or both of those parts are easily quantified -- a luxury the debated aero parts lack.

No actually that wasn't meant to go here. I accidentally copied and pasted the wrong thing from some of my notes. Ignore that, thanks

 

[Exorcet]

Please do not say it doesn't matter which controller input you use, because it does. Amongst many other things too.

It doesn't. The physics are consistent across controls.

 

[killerjimbag]

It doesn't. The physics are consistent across controls.

I agree.

 

[snowgt]

Can there really be ANY doubt that many of the best drivers in GT5, including dozens of GT Academy finalists, after more than 2 years just wouldn't have noticed the effect of front aero?

Give me a break.