"Standards" the good, the bad and the ugly
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- glenn_cullen
They're all updated to a different level, take a look at Mikhail's comparison shots
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-bad-and-the-ugly.291012/page-69#post-9333547
Check the Nissan EXA Canopy for example, the wheels are exactly the same as the GT5 version but the body is updated. It's not in the comparisons but I remember reading that the Vectra only had updated window seals and nothing else, so the term 'semi-premium' should probably be expanded to areas such as 'semi-semi-premium'
This is apparently all the cars that have been updated, but I can't find info on the extent of each though
Alpine A110 1600S '73
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe '00
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '03
Aston Martin V8 Vantage '99
Audi S4 '98
Blitz ER34 D1 SPEC '04
Buick Special
Caterham Fireblade
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) '90
Citroen 2CV Type A '54
Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R '97
Daihatsu MIRA TR-XX Avanzato R '97
Dodge Charger 440 R/T '70
Ford Focus Rally car '99 (only seams)
Ford Focus RS '02 (only seams)
Ford Focus ST170 '03 (only seams)
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
Ford RS200 '84
Ford RS200 Rally Car '85
Gran Turismo Formula Gran Turismo
Holden Commodore SS '04
Honda ACCORD Coupe EX '03
Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
Honda FIT W '01
Honda JAZZ 1.4 DSi SE Sport '01
Honda PRELUDE Si VTEC '91
Hyundai Coupe FX '01 (but NOT the Hyundai Tiburon/Tuscani)
Isuzu PIAZZA XE '81
Jaguar XJ220 '92
Jaguar XJ220 LM Race Car
Lexus SC 430 (EU) '01
Lexus SC 430 (US) '01
Mazda efini RX-7 Type R (FD) '93
Mazda efini RX-7 Type R-S (FD) '95
Mazda efini RX-7 Type RS (FD) '96
Mazda efini RX-7 Type RZ (FD) '92
Mazda efini RX-7 Type RZ (FD) '93
Mazda efini RX-7 Type RZ (FD) '95
Mazda efini RX-7 Type RZ (FD) '96
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA) '95
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '91
Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '93
Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (FD) '01
Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD, J) '95
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD, J) '96
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD, J) '97
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '00
Mazda RX-7 Type RS-R (FD, J) '97
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '93
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '95
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '96
Mercedes-Benz CL 600 '00
Mercedes-Benz CLK Touring Car '00
Mercedes-Benz SLK 230 Kompressor '98
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '96
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '98
Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '96
Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '98
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (J) '98
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '95
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '96
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '98
Mitsubishi COLT 1.5 Sport X Version '02
Mitsubishi ECLIPSE Spyder GTS '03
Mitsubishi FTO GR '94
Mitsubishi FTO GR '97
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '97
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '94
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '97
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '99
Mitsubishi FTO GT '94
Mitsubishi GTO SR '95
Mitsubishi GTO SR '96
Mitsubishi GTO SR '98
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '95
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '96
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '98
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '95
Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98
Mitsubishi MINICA DANGAN ZZ '89
NISMO 400R '96
Nissan 240RS Rally Car '85
Nissan 240SX '96
Nissan 240SX (S14) '96
Nissan 240ZG (HS30) '71
Nissan 300ZX 2by2 (Z32) '98
Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '89
Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '98
Nissan Be-1 '87
Nissan EXA Canopy L.A. Version Type S '88
Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71
Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) '78
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX (Z31) '83
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2by2 (Z32) '98
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version R TwinTurbo 2by2 (Z32) '98
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) '69
Nissan BLUEBIRD Rally Car (510) '69
Nissan PAO '89
Nissan PRIMERA 20V '01
Nissan PRIMERA 20V (EU) '01
Nissan R390 GT1 '98
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car '98
Nissan SILVIA 240RS (S110) '83
Nissan SILVIA K's AERO (S14) '96
Nissan SILVIA Q's AERO (S14) '96
Nissan SKYLINE 1500Deluxe (S50D-1) '63
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-B (S54B) '67
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec (R33) '95
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec (R33) '97
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec LM Limited (R33) '96
Nissan SKYLINE Hard Top 2000GT-R (KPGC10) '70
Opel Calibra Touring Car '94
Opel Speedster '00
Opel Speedster Turbo '00
Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 '03 (only seams)
Pagani Zonda C12 '00
Pagani Zonda C12S '00
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 '02
Plymouth Superbird '70
Pontiac Sunfire GXP Concept '02
RUF 3400S '00
RUF BTR '86
RUF CTR Yellow Bird '87
RUF CTR2 '96
RUF RGT '00
Scion xA '03
Seat Ibiza Cupra '04
Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
Spoon FIT Race Car '03
Subaru LEGACY B4 Blitzen '00
Subaru LEGACY B4 RSK '98
Suzuki V6 ESCUDO Pikes Peak Special '98
Tommykaira ZZ-S '00
Toyota ALTEZZA AS200 '98
Toyota ALTEZZA RS200 '98
Toyota ALTEZZA Touring Car
Toyota CELICA SS-II (ZZT231) '99
Toyota COROLLA LEVIN GT-APEX (AE86) '83
Toyota ist 1.5S '02
Toyota SOARER 430SCV '01
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86) '83
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00
Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S '00
Vauxhall Calibra Touring Car '94
Vauxhall Speedster '00
Vauxhall Speedster Turbo '00
Vauxhall Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
Edit: The info is also available here, thanks to @Vag Gomez
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ear-credits-pp-drive-and-make-columns.295180/
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- HDTCommodore
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- Adelaide
Make sure you do the holiday seasonals, they're an easy way to make money even if you don't get gold.
Just do the seasonal. It will give you one for free.
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- GTmotorsports91
Looks like they tuned down the resolution game runs better and standards have better textures or better reflections and there lines are smoother than before i might be wrong but thats how it looks like to me.
"BAD" AND "UGLY"
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- Rave2Grave
That's worse than the picture floating around this thread of the drivers' head sticking out of the window of the Suzuki Concept-S2.
Has PD no shame?
Has PD no shame?
I don't think is proud about these. Would you prefer not have the car at all?
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I would. Quality over quantity should be always preferred, especially when going for quantity means huge inconsistencies.
Plus it's not like removing standard cars means they are gone forever. Those cars are always available on GT4 - mind you a game with better tracks than GT6 -, on GT5 and on GT6 too, and PD could add improved (premium) versions of them to GT7 once they are complete.
I mean there's no other game that copypastes content from over 10 years ago, without any sort of improvement. Not even in capcom games you see 2d sprites against 3d models, because that would look like an amateur job, show that the game is unfinished and result in it having Fred Flintstone's and Dino's all over the place, all just like GT5 and GT6 (and seems like GT7 too).
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- nemitsos999
I like standards , learn to accept 
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If they'd have actually gone for quantity, they would have made cars to a lower quality, but they'd all have been the same quality.
In going for quality (Premiums, future proofing), they gave themselves a quantity problem (expectations); they plugged the gap with legacy content.
So in reality, they tried to deliver on both counts, but obviously you can't please everyone, and people naturally latch onto the things that irritate them, often ignoring the bigger picture.
In addition, fixing the little quality foibles like the clipping, materials translation, LoD bugs, physics rigging etc. takes time away from producing quality in the form of the Premiums.
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- Canada
Accept cars that look heavily dated and come from the PS2 era? No thanks, this is 2014, not the early 2000s...I like standards , learn to accept
And before anyone mentions "But there getting updated", yeah, they are, but where's the interiors?.....
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- Johnnypenso
The guys working on the game code are the same guys working on modeling?
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- glenn_cullen
I don't use interior view so I couldn't give a damn about interiors. If GT7 is all semi-premiums with body mods (a la GT6 Premium) then I will be a happy man. If we're still seeing untouched PS2 models on PS4 then it'll be quite hard to justify their actions, but I'd rather have them than lose them all
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- jamesman22
- jagenigma
I am not trying to troll anyone, but whats bothering me is that no one seems to remember the disclaimer in the start up of the game. While i understand that Standard cars in the game do look unacceptable by this generation's hardware and advancements it clearly states this
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- SpacedustDaddy
I am not trying to troll anyone, but whats bothering me is that no one seems to remember the disclaimer in the start up of the game. While i understand that Standard cars in the game do look unacceptable by this generation's hardware and advancements it clearly states this
Noone is disputing the shape, color or performance from the real car. It's the known performance being disputed in relation to other car games on varying systems and improvements that should be made from past GT games. This is where tuning comes into play. Most tuners feel the stock tune and the tools available should be better than what we have after 15years. In my opinion anyway, as I tune to realistic specs of cars I find in Best Motoring/Hot Version and real race cars.
No disclaimer advising "Oh, and one more thing, the cars may be different from the actual cars by having your driver's feet through the floor..."
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- Addison,Texas
- GTP_RACECAR
I am not trying to troll anyone, but whats bothering me is that no one seems to remember the disclaimer in the start up of the game. While i understand that Standard cars in the game do look unacceptable by this generation's hardware and advancements it clearly states this
Pretty sure that's more to do with legal things then the graphical quality of the content.
Also, every sim racing game has a similar disclaimer so its not just PD.
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Who said that? Is this an understanding thing? Again.
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With the possible (depending on the root cause) exception of LoD bugs, all of those things are things modelers would be the ones to work on.
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LoD bugging (due to format changes) would be fixed by repacking the mesh to suit the new format (reader and pre processor)
The tools to automate that would be made by programmers, possibly third party, but the task would be carried out by a modeling expert.
Things like incorrectly setting the min / max / default LoDs are technically content issues, too.
Anything per car is content, basically.
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- HDTCommodore
i think the horrid looking cars should just go (alto works for example) but anything that looks ok should stay. (some textures here and there that look horrid need fixing though)
i also think pd spent too much time making unbelievable detailed models in some cases. i think they should have spent more time making the ugly ones closer to the good ones. (some cars not worth making look better like the Exa, Carina, Xantia should just be lost. the time spent improving these could be better utilized (supra, some car i drove yesterday that looked very ugly but was a great car))
i also think pd spent too much time making unbelievable detailed models in some cases. i think they should have spent more time making the ugly ones closer to the good ones. (some cars not worth making look better like the Exa, Carina, Xantia should just be lost. the time spent improving these could be better utilized (supra, some car i drove yesterday that looked very ugly but was a great car))
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- SpacedustDaddy
That's the thing. We would like to know PD's priorities. Are they so engaged in GT7 that they may be adding motorcycles and that has taken away resources feom the car team? Was GT6 only ever going to be a stop gap to GT7? Were PD sticking to their two GT(minus prologues, Concept GTs, GTPSP) per console rule just for the sake of it? Did Kaz ask too much of his team regardless of maxing out the PS3? Did Sony just want Kaz to hurry and get the game on the shelves/PS Store and sort everything later? All we can do as far as GT6, is wait it out.
