Star Trek - May 8th

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Looks really promising, its been mostly well recieved by the critics and press and could turn out to do as well as other reboots seen recently. Sequel talks have already started and the actors are signed for a 3 film contract.

Im hopefully going to see this end of the week or next depending how rammed booking is at my local cinema. Might even consider seeing it in IMAX.

Anyone else seen it yet, going to see it?

Robin.
 
A friend at work went to see an early preview of it last week. He's no Star Trek fan but said it was very good nonetheless.
 
I believe this article sums up my thoughts nicely.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30521500/

The one, the only, Captain Kirk
WHY ... it’s ... IMPOSSIBLE for ... anyone ... else ... to ... FILL Shatner’s shoes
Paramount Pictures / Getty Images file

Whether he was in his 1960s heyday or his last 1990s turn at the part, William Shatner created a Captain Kirk that went beyond the realm of the realistic, even in sci-fi realistic terms.

By Ree Hines - msnbc.com contributor
updated 3:25 p.m. ET, Mon., May 4, 2009

Behold the era of the retro reboot, where nothing is sacred. There’s no beloved film or television series that can’t be polished and repackaged for a big screen do-over. There’s a new “Robocop” in the works, a fresh-faced “Karate Kid” on the way, and of course, this Friday, a reimagined version of the original “Star Trek” crew beams into theaters.

Every film franchise has its own set of fans ready to pick apart the new renditions, and none more so than the legions of Trekkies (or Trekkers, whatever) set to tear into J.J. Abrams take on “Trek.” See, there is some sacred ground for geeks. You never break the warp-10 barrier (except for that one time). You don’t violate the Prime Directive (unless you have to). And you don’t mess with Captain Kirk (ever).

“My name is James Siberius Kirk.” Those are the first words uttered in the revamped “Star Trek” trailer by a pre-teen version of the captain-to-be. Of course, fans know there’s a “T” in James T. Kirk and it stands for “Tiberius.” It’s a small mistake in the greater scheme of things, perhaps the result of a misread line or even a pronounced lisp. But you know who wouldn’t have made that mistake? William Shatner.

Sure, one might argue that even if Shatner were the lead in this “Star Trek,” he’d never have played kid-Kirk (though he’d likely parry that with enough under-eye makeup and a well-concealed girdle, he’d be perfect for the part). But it gets to the heart of the matter. There’s only one Captain Kirk.

One of a kind
Everything we know about Kirk, we learned from Shatner. The man at the helm of the U.S.S. Enterprise wasn’t just created by the late, great Gene Roddenberry. You can’t write a character like Kirk. The swagger, the staccato delivery, the ever-present smirk — those come to life in the actor. Roddenberry gave him a backstory (which Abrams seems happy to ignore), but Shatner gave the captain life.

Not everyone appreciates the Shatner style. Non-“Trek” fans often call him a bad actor. They’ve obviously never seen his perfect past performances, like the one he gave in “Judgment at Nuremberg” — the man can clearly act. What he brought to Captain Kirk were choices, not limitations.

That one-of-kind cadence? Shatner’s way might have seemed odd at the time. Plenty of critics thought so. But just try to imagine any of Kirk’s lines without the bizarre peaks and pauses (“SCOTTY … BEAM those MEN up … at ONCE.”) It’s one of Kirk’s many defining traits.

Shatner went big — theater big — in every aspect of the role. If Kirk felt down, he didn’t merely slump in the captain’s seat, he sprawled downward as if her were about to slide right out of it. A flirtatious Kirk wouldn’t smile knowingly at potential love interest. He’d stick his chest out, raise an eyebrow and strut her way. Shatner’s Kirk knew no subtlety, and it worked.

Making the unbelievable seems plausible
And let’s face it; whether he was in his 1960s heyday or his last 1990s turn at the part, Shatner created a Kirk that went beyond the realm of the realistic, even in sci-fi realistic terms. He wasn’t — isn’t — the greatest looking guy around. He wasn’t even the greatest looking guy on the set (Hey, Chekov!), but he sold it. All the women swooned for him (usually to their detriment) and somehow it just seemed right.

A less-than-buff, back-in-the-day Kirk could take down a lizard-skinned (or slightly altered-forehead) alien-of-the-week twice his size, and his wrestling skills didn’t come into question. There was nothing the man couldn’t do thanks to the ego, nay arrogance, Shatner breathed into the part.

Besides, a captain convincingly leading his crew to every lawless outpost on the final frontier needs arrogance. He needs to be over-the-top, bold and brazen. He needs Shatner.

The men behind the man
But like it or not, there’s an imposter on the scene. His name is Chris Pine. He may not look like Kirk or sound like Kirk, but danged if he’s not wearing the uniform and trying to fill Shatner’s shoes all the same.

When William Shatner came to the part, he said he channeled Alexander the Great — a king of Macedonia, an undefeated military leader who conquered the Persian Empire. There’s that fitting arrogance again.

Chris Pine? He channeled Indiana Jones and Han Solo (no, really). Hey, they’re great, iconic Harrison Ford characters worthy of their own don’t-go-there fan bases, but they weren’t leaders of men. They weren’t Kirk-esque.

What could Pine possibly bring to the character to live up to the legend? Not to pre-pan Pine’s performance, but barring Halloween, it’s hard to imagine anyone else living up to Kirk’s uniform. If it’s not on Shatner, it’s just a costume. The suit doesn’t make the man. Fans know that. Pine knows that.

“Shatner will forever be James T. Kirk,” the new stand-in recently admitted. “There's something set in stone about that. That actually takes pressure off me. I'm going my own way. My name is not William Shatner.”

Shatner is Kirk. Pine’s not Shatner. Simple syllogistic logic says Pine can’t be Kirk. There’s only one Captain Kirk.

That said, I will go in knowing that they have Star Wars'd my Star Trek.
 
For whatever reason (and I'm starting to think FK's article is the exact reason, though it may also be that this is a J.J. Abrams movie), I can't help but feel completely apathetic towards this.
 
I should be going to see this next Monday... I shall post my thoughts then. :)
 
I'll be seeing it on Friday afternoon, regardless of the reviews (I will be watching TRS later tonight to get a good sense of how they feel about it). I've never been a big Trekkie, although I'll admit that I watch TNG more often than not.

The only problem I can see is a serious lack of KAAAHHHHHNNNNNNNN!
 
I'm going to see it this weekend, I'm not holding out much hope because I'm guessing it won't be great. I'm going to wager this is another case of more money on special effects then developing a story. Oh well, I've seen every other Star Trek film along with all of the TV series so I almost have to see this one.
 
Just came back from a preview and it was good. I dont know much about star trek, having never actually watched any films or TV shows, Only picking up things from mates and Dad. So my take is from a non-fan base.

It was really good, i enjoyed it and i think the characters builded well and the story was great. I have no idea if they butchered the story line, or things were not as they were suppose to. But from a stand alone movie perspective i really enjoyed it.

BTW why did i go if i never seen star trek before?? It was free from work :lol:, i dont turn down free movie passes.
 
I'm an old trekkie...been a fan nearly 30 years (saw a TV run on our first color TV around 80). I'm deliberately saving about 10 bucks just to catch this...hopefully, it won't be as bad as Ep 1 when it first showed up at our theater (the film was allready badly beat up).

we've been having an argument at another forum over the 'design" of the ship they used for this.

I'm suprised that most of you guys didn't figure on a continuity reboot. after all, Paramount needs to make money off this franchise, again. Gene isn't around, anymore. if he hadn't died early, he'd be gone by now, anyway, and would you want something like the first (sucky) season of Next G? i figured they'd do a tranfomers 07 style reboot just from seeing the damn clips that popped up early.

and if they'd gone for a Star Wars style reboot, there'd be some friggin continuity!
 
Looks like a modern production twist of an old story, lets bring it up to current Hollywood standards shall we?

I'm excited to see this movie, not "gonna wait for 2 days outside the theater" kind of excited, but I am anxious to see it. I'll leave my judgement of the movie after I have seen it.

Until then, Nah-noo, Nah-noo. Oh wait.....
 
we've been having an argument at another forum over the 'design" of the ship they used for this.
The only issue I have with the ship is that the trailer showed it being built in a planetary atmosphere. If that makes it into the movie I will have an old-school fanboy physics continuity fit. They'll probably follow it up by having them use warp engines inside the solar system to, or better yet, straight out of Earth orbit.

I'm suprised that most of you guys didn't figure on a continuity reboot.
Who said they didn't figure on it? I knew that was happening from the moment JJ Abrams finished with Cloverfield and said he was now working on a Star Trek reboot. I didn't begin cringing until I found out he had the same writers as Transformers, where they blatantly ignored any semblance of physics or their source material.


i figured they'd do a tranfomers 07 style reboot
I feared it.

and if they'd gone for a Star Wars style reboot, there'd be some friggin continuity!
That is not what I meant when I said that Star Wars'd my Star Trek. Abrams blatantly admits he wants to make Star Trek feel more like Star Wars. The problem is that Star Trek was great for a completely different set of reasons than Star Wars.

lets bring it up to current Hollywood standards shall we?
Why would you want to make something great suddenly crappy?
 
*snip*


Why would you want to make something great suddenly crappy?



:lol: You got a good point there.

Your avatar freaks me out. Where's the comic book cover I've grown to expect?

Sorry about that OT observation...
 
:lol: You got a good point there.
I'd feel much better if these reboots weren't being done by the same group of guys that have almost no respect for the old fans or the original material. And it buigs me to no end to see them talk about how much of a fan they are of the original and by the end of it be telling fans to F-Off (looking at you Bay).

I have yet to see a remake, reboot, or retelling that is anywhere close to the quality of the original. And every time I see a new one I have to wonder if there is an ounce of creativity left in Hollywood. If it isn't a redo of something it is another medium, like books or games, made into a movie.


Your avatar freaks me out. Where's the comic book cover I've grown to expect?
It was really good beer. And it is my silent protest against the sunglasses fad. Never fear, the First Kill cover is still on my hard drive awaiting its return.
EDIT: Why are we whispering?
 
I'd feel much better if these reboots weren't being done by the same group of guys that have almost no respect for the old fans or the original material. And it buigs me to no end to see them talk about how much of a fan they are of the original and by the end of it be telling fans to F-Off (looking at you Bay).

I have yet to see a remake, reboot, or retelling that is anywhere close to the quality of the original. And every time I see a new one I have to wonder if there is an ounce of creativity left in Hollywood. If it isn't a redo of something it is another medium, like books or games, made into a movie.
That is true. It seems like everything has been done already so it's time to dig in the archives because we're out of creative juices. What it has done is sparked some interest for this younger generation to check out some of the old classics, exposure for the first time.
It was really good beer. And it is my silent protest against the sunglasses fad. Never fear, the First Kill cover is still on my hard drive awaiting its return.
EDIT: Why are we whispering?


That's good to hear. We need more more protest in the world, and it must have been great beer. Not sure why we're whispering, I guess to keep the off topic banter under the moderation radar. I can sence the ban hammer dropping any minute, it's too quiet, oh so quiet.
 
What it has done is sparked some interest for this younger generation to check out some of the old classics, exposure for the first time.
While I cling tightly to all my original geek materials in the corner quietly saying, "My preciiiiiiooooouuuusssss."

The problem with this is that they see the originals as boring because stuff didn't go boom nearly as much, and they overlook the good writing, top-notch acting, and just all-around quality. Yes, I mentioned top-notch acting in a Start Trek discussion.
 
:lol: Oh yes, the acting was always a strong characteristic of the early Star Trek episodes, and even more so in the later ones. In fact, it was Star Trek that set the standard by which all acting is judged.

For what it's worth, I like it when things go BOOOOOMMMMM! The bigger the boom the bigger the smile. :) Add that with some good looking green chicks and a great story line and you have a combination that's timeless.
 
:lol: Oh yes, the acting was always a strong characteristic of the early Star Trek episodes, and even more so in the later ones. In fact, it was Star Trek that set the standard by which all acting is judged.
I shall redirect you to my article I posted from MSNBC that does mention Shatner's acting. But in general when you have something like Dennis Quaid filling the roll previoulsy done by Jimmy Stewart, or Brad Pitt for Dean Martin, you have to wonder what they were thinking.

For what it's worth, I like it when things go BOOOOOMMMMM! The bigger the boom the bigger the smile. :) Add that with some good looking green chicks and a great story line and you have a combination that's timeless.
Booms are fine, but not at the expense of everything else, and especially not when rebooting a franchise and making it about the booms. After watching 2001 and 2010 on Blu-Ray I imagined what a remake of those could be like and wanted to cry.

But, I haven't seen Star Trek yet and short of a few comments by Abrams, the physics issue in the teaser, and what looks to be intercrew romantic minglings in the trailer I have not seen anything completely throwing me off yet.

Well, maybe a few actor typecasting issues with Sulu and Spock that I will need to overcome, but nothing else.


Booms can be fun, but I like story, plot, and characterization. And cake
 
Dear Lord...

Spock and Uhura? C'mon... really? Unless my trekness is failing me, Spock never... ever showed that kind of emotion to anyone.

Oh, one more thing. Did the movie change too much of the timeline? I don't mind retelling the story, but not when it affects the other movies and shows. Blowing up Vulcan and Romulus is kinda big deal.

Other than that... EXCELLENT!

  • I love the ship redesign, totally cool.
  • The actors say every line you want them to say
  • Good music, can't complain
 
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*rolls eyes* if you guys haven't noticed, you're in the NOOB fan club. the original fanboys (who, I believe, deserve the credit For creating the idea of a Convention to begin with) are at least as old as the original cast by now. remember the starting season? the original was a "class of 66". even they guys like me, who were old enough for next G when it first popped on, are in the old fart catagory. they're trying to hook the IGeneration on it. that's why they picked up the sexpot actors and actresses.

and, please, don't start a "RUINED FOREVER" style argument like they did with with the Transformers franchise...I do not want to see the start of a Truk not Munkeystyle argument over semantics and a reboot. we have to take everything as it comes, THEN tell Paramount they ruined it.

like i said earlier, i was expecting an adventure style reboot. they're trying to find what works to keep the popularity up and make their money offa the franchise.

I have a little suggestion for some of you guys...read the books, too! they've been cranking out trek novels since the mid seventies, ever since James Blish started novelizing the original series. I want to see if Jim Kirk's attitude from Best Destiny was kept...and whether someone will FINALLY explain WHY his middle name is Tiberius

btw, thanks to Solid Fro for keeping things in Spoiler Text mode, so it doesn't ruin my suprise. I wanna see how this was done, or botched, myself.
 
addendum:TVGuide nework is, as I'm typing, showing some details.

the most important thing I've run into so far; Leonard Nimoy had full approval over the actor of his younger self (due to Paramount screwing him over during the original movie era)
 
I'm a fan of Star Trek (not one of those crazy fans :sly:) and have seen most of the series and movies. I guess I love the technology and science in it most of all because it seems to be a more plausable view of the future than other sci fi series (things like other species not included!).

I think this film will come out the most popular of all the trek movies and certainly alot more popular than the most recient success which was 'First Contact'.

Can't wait to see it next week.

Robin.
 
I saw the movie on Friday afternoon between my exams and work, and I came away pretty impressed. Generally speaking, there was little for me to be worrying about going in, and furthermore, I'm worried about little coming out. J.J. and the crew addressed as many of the plot holes as I could tell, leaving plenty of room for new adventures, and really set a pretty good standard for what I'd expect for most Sci Fi movies from now on. There was almost a Battlestar feel to it, where the human side of the entire universe takes center stage. It was definitely more accessible to the non-fan than ever before, and I honestly think that it would be the only complaint that would be able to be leveled against it by the fans - that it may be "too accessible."

I'm really looking forward to the inevitable sequel, although what they will tackle, I do not know, since they are essentially starting at "zero."
 
I agree with Yss. overall, I would rate the Abrams Trek as a reboot of the franchise...hell, they worked it into the plot. Spock plays a MAJOR part, here.

however, I'm counting this trek as an "alternaverse" version. there's one thing that gave it away. Nokia snuck some product placement in (it's kind of hard to miss the trademark Nokia tune)...and Paramount has studiously avoided that kind of thing, before now. also, if we're going by the trek-niverse chronology, there should be no 20th century products established during the Eugenics wars era (80's-90's) that would have survived.
 
Just walked out of the theater 10 minutes ago. It's an excellent flick. My mom loved it.

It was kind of a shame since my 4 dollar movie ticket paid for a film reel with an awfully warped soundtrack. Please tell me it's the cinema I went to and not that the actual movie soundtrack has an annoying tremolo. It was like playing a record and speeding it up and slowing it down in 1 second intervals. The sound cut and the picture flickered for like 2 seconds in the middle of the movie, so I'm positive it was something wrong with the reel.

Anyway, yeah, I think Abrams did a great job with establishing his own blank slate. The Abrams films now have a parallel canon with the establishment of the time warp. I appreciated the hardness of the science fiction of the film. I wasn't sure about the Corvette in the beginning, though. Also, what was with that police officer? :confused: Getting into nit-picking, I think it would've made more sense if Abrams did little flashes of each character's life over time instead of just having the "3 Years Later" cut. But that's no biggie really.

It's definitely the best movie I've seen this year. I'll be buying it when it comes out on Blu-Ray.
 
It is excellent. A brilliant start for a new generation of fans. Some of you might criticize this new Spock, but mind you, Quinto was approved by Neemoy for the role. And Spock always had emotions deep down. Very powerful ones.

I'd say go see it if you have not. It is worth the $10 or so.
 
Omnis: it must have been your copy or the Projector. I was expecting a badly beat up print, myself, and only saw two bad spots.

the only complaint I have (and that a few of the other fans elsewhere have said): saving Scotty's younger self for the END of the thing (especially for us Scotty-philes) caused grumbles. at least they found somebody with a similar facial structure. th only thing I don't get, however, is nobody was positive about where EXACTLY Jimmy Doohan's dialect version came from...the books (which it looks like Abrams actually READ!!) state Scotty' home area is up near Aberdeen. the actor used a Glaswegian style accent, apparently.
 
The movie is definitely the best new film I've seen for a while

I like the new cast. It'll take some getting used to, but they've done a good job picking the right actors for the job.

I loved the CGI and the action scenes, they received a good amount of seriousness for once. The other movies tried to be serious but it never really clicked for me. They were still good though.

I find it odd how easy Scotty got his job on the Enterprise though. But really it seems everyone tried to convince their way on board. :lol:

New parallel universe for the series now!
 
G.T
The movie is definitely the best new film I've seen for a while

I like the new cast. It'll take some getting used to, but they've done a good job picking the right actors for the job.

I loved the CGI and the action scenes, they received a good amount of seriousness for once. The other movies tried to be serious but it never really clicked for me. They were still good though.

I find it odd how easy Scotty got his job on the Enterprise though. But really it seems everyone tried to convince their way on board. :lol:

New parallel universe for the series now!

Well if you can get yourself on board the way he did, I'd give you the job too.
 
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