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Statistical anomalies in motorsports.
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I do hope I have failed to see the sarcasm in your reply?
If not, let me offer you some kind of idea on just how many points/places Craig lost.
In Supercars, each team shares a pit bay with another car, just like the current situation in Formula One.
When a caution/yellow is needed, the default strategy is for everyone to pit so as to not have to do so later under 'green' conditions.
When there are two cars from the same team running in close proximity to one another, the second car will lose positions by having to 'stack' in pit lane, waiting for the pit bay to become vacant.
This could scenario could be best represented in picture form with a simple photo of one Craig Lowndes.
In a category as close as Supercars, you just cannot do that and win championships when the guy your fighting for the title shares the same pitbay.
For Craig to finish 2nd in the championship chase, so many years in-a-row, speaks volumes about the guy's ability to recover lost positions once back on the track.
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Calder 1999 has never come up as a question with regards to his pace.
Craig, and everyone else involved, knows that it was just one of those freak, opening lap accidents that happen every now & then.
Don't worry, as a fan of his my heart stopped beating until I watched the other drivers get to his car, and from their reactions, know he was ok.
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Under the Matt Kenseth rule, I am horrified to announce the BTCC play-offs.
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Well we are talking a season in which 17 different drivers won a race. It wasn't just Turks, Runner-Up Tom Ingram had only 3 wins, 3rd place Tom Chilton just 1, 4th place Ashley Sutton had one more win than all three put together!
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Winston Cup, every 5 years: Well, one driver is bound to run away with things, despite our scoring system which keeps things close.
Winston Cup, every 50 years: One win champ?!? We have to prevent that from happening again, by creating a system whereby one win eventually lets you rest on your laurels.
Everyone else: just reformat the scoring system so that points and wins actually mean something
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You can also add the 1970 Mexican Grand Prix, whereby many fans approached the track limits on race day, and crowd control was frighteningly minimal.
The winner was Jacky Ickx in his Ferrari 312B. The losers were the Mexican organizers for the next 15 years and one poor stray dog.
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And funnily enough, that 2003 Winston Cup season also had Ryan Newman with his 8 wins out-winning the top 3 in points combined while finishing... 6th in points. Even if you added 5th place Kevin Harvick into the mix with that top 3, Newman still prevails 8-7.
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In 1994 JJ Lehto drove with both of Benetton's numbers; the 6 car as a teammate to Michael Schumacher and the 5 car alongside Jos Verstappen when Schumacher was banned.
Incredibly, Alex Zanardi did it the same year for Lotus; the 11 car partnered with Johnny Herbert for much of the season and the 12 car as Herbert's replacement when the Englishman left for Ligier. Philippe Adams temporarily subbed for Zanardi in the 11 car and then Herbert left the team, bringing Zanardi back in the 12.
Incredibly, Alex Zanardi did it the same year for Lotus; the 11 car partnered with Johnny Herbert for much of the season and the 12 car as Herbert's replacement when the Englishman left for Ligier. Philippe Adams temporarily subbed for Zanardi in the 11 car and then Herbert left the team, bringing Zanardi back in the 12.
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The 2017 United States Grand Prix saw two drivers in the same team do one race in the "wrong" cars. Daniil Kyvat had been replaced for Malaysia by Pierre Gasly, but Gasly had to skip the United States GP to go and try to win the Super Formula championship (which he failed to do as the race was rained off by a Typhoon). Brendon Hartley was brought in to replace Gasly that weekend, but the team also lost Carlos Sainz that weekend, as he had been parachuted into Jolyon Palmer's seat at Renault for the rest of the season. That meant Toro Rosso had to get Daniil Kvyat back, to race in Sainz's car after also letting Seal Gelael do FP1 in it. When Gasly returned, Hartley then moved across to Sainz's old chassis to finish the season. Hartley then ended up racing as #39 for one race and #28 for the rest of the season.
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Pierre-Henri Raphanel started the season with Coloni but moved to Rial by round 11 and drove both the 38 and 39 car for Rial by the end of the season but he was the only one:
Christian Danner drove the 38 with Pierre-Henri Raphanel in the 39.
Gregor Foitek took over the 38 for one race with Raphanel in the 39.
Bertrand Gachot replaced Foitek for the final two races but Raphanel took over the 38 car and Gachot was given the 39.
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Without looking it up, there's a part of my Grey matter that says, one of the seasons around 1989/90 holds the record for the most drivers in a season.
I can recall Pre-Qualifying being a thing, where 30, maybe 32 drivers would turn up every race with only the fastest 26 lining up to start the race.
Pretty sure one of these years there was over 40, maybe close to 50, having turned laps in an official Formula One session of some sort.
In a similar way, I think the Pacific team had at least six drivers on staff throughout 1994/95.
It was this sort of thing, and Lola's failure to even make a race (1996?) that led the FIA to require a substantial deposit before accepting a Team's entries for the season.
That's what I seem to recall from 30 odd years ago anyway.
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I had to look up 1989 for the Pierre-Henri Raphanel fact and it was that year with the most entrants. There were initially 21 entrants with First but they dropped out.
I've written about the merry-go-round in 1994 before, Simtek, Lotus and Larrousse used lots of drivers that year and Pacific the year after.
In fact, in 1994 Tyrrell, Minardi, Footwork and Pacific were the only four teams out of thirteen who had the same two drivers all season.
I've written about the merry-go-round in 1994 before, Simtek, Lotus and Larrousse used lots of drivers that year and Pacific the year after.
In fact, in 1994 Tyrrell, Minardi, Footwork and Pacific were the only four teams out of thirteen who had the same two drivers all season.
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I can't remember the exact year, but in the 1950s, there were sometimes races which had loads of one-off drivers (1952 and '53 German GPs), though I forget if that also included the Indy 500, which naturally featured 33 drivers that almost never competed in any other races in the same year.
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The Indy 500 was a round of the F1 season from 1950-1960.
The German Grand Prix (in which exact years I'm not sure) included Formula Two competitors.
I am sure this was a practice adopted by other Grand Prix, over the early history of the F1 championship, Monaco for example, but the specifics fail me.
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1952 holds the record for most drivers in an F1 Season with 76 drivers (including non-starters/qualifiers but excluding Indy 500 entries).
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