Super Tuner Car Championship Season 2

[djchon661]

Yeah great race guys. I had a blast. We did have a little issue with some of the new guys. I'm not sure exactly who but I would defintely appreciate it if whoever did the loud, staticy, cheering at the end of the race lower their mic and maybe not yell into it next race.

Also, to the racer complaining about itoss. I don't know what was going on (will def watch the replay) but in general itoss has been a respectful driver and it strikes me as out of character for him to do anything but race fair. Also insulting any racer is a definite no-no and I ask that you respect the league and act in a more mature fashion.

Aside from that nonsense the race was really fun. I had lots of battles to maintain and improve my position. Even though I never was in the running to win i had a great time.

Thanks to everybody that made it out. And we missed you out there snoopy!

 

[boshuter]

I had fun, made some stupid mistakes and found out that the "one stop" strategy didn't work. I started losing my tires with about 5 laps to go and ended up hitting the wall and getting in logan's way, causing him to hit the wall.. sorry logan.

I think the complaining was because itoss didn't move over and let the leader go by when he was being lapped. I'd really like to know your position on this; I can think of no actual race series where it's "required" to move over when being lapped, that is just plain ridiculous to me. If a guy is fast enough that he is lapping cars, he should be able to find a way to pass them without expecting them to "move over" for him. In most forms of racing, a driver will fight with all he has to keep from being put a lap down, asking them to just move out of the way is unfathomable to me. Not to mention that if someone gets out front, there is nothing to keep him from simply running like in practice and turning very fast laps, lapped traffic may be the only thing that makes it possible for other drivers to have a chance of catching up (I think this is why only the guys who run out front consistently actually think other cars should simply move over and let them by). Sorry for the rant, this has been one of my pet peeves since I started in GT5.

 

[AllinWitJT]

I had fun, made some stupid mistakes and found out that the "one stop" strategy didn't work. I started losing my tires with about 5 laps to go and ended up hitting the wall and getting in logan's way, causing him to hit the wall.. sorry logan.

I think the complaining was because itoss didn't move over and let the leader go by when he was being lapped. I'd really like to know your position on this; I can think of no actual race series where it's "required" to move over when being lapped, that is just plain ridiculous to me. If a guy is fast enough that he is lapping cars, he should be able to find a way to pass them without expecting them to "move over" for him. In most forms of racing, a driver will fight with all he has to keep from being put a lap down, asking them to just move out of the way is unfathomable to me. Not to mention that if someone gets out front, there is nothing to keep him from simply running like in practice and turning very fast laps, lapped traffic may be the only thing that makes it possible for other drivers to have a chance of catching up (I think this is why only the guys who run out front consistently actually think other cars should simply move over and let them by). Sorry for the rant, this has been one of my pet peeves since I started in GT5.

100% agree.

 

[DxProfessional]

ok. I believe you guys all know what this flag means....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Auto_Racing_Blue.svg

 

[DxProfessional]

The blue flag

A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass. During a race, this would usually only be shown to a driver getting lapped, but during practice or qualifying it could be shown to any driver. In most series, the blue flag is not mandatory - drivers obey it only as a courtesy to their fellow racers. In other series, drivers get severely penalized for not yielding or for interfering with the leaders, including getting sent to the pits for the rest of the race. In Formula One, if the driver about to be lapped ignores three waved blue flags in a row, he is required to make a drive-through penalty. This is from wikipedia, racing flags.

 

[djchon661]

I'm out having some drinks now but I will gladly share my views on this matter. For now I pretty much agree with all the above.

 

[xR0ADRASHx]

100% agree.

I agree as well and in ITOSS defense he's always driven me clean and is a good racer and a welcome part of our league. We have a fun clean league with each of us giving respect to our fellow competitors. If people can't race that way then they don't belong here.

 

[AllinWitJT]

I agree as well and in ITOSS defense he's always driven me clean and is a good racer and a welcome part of our league. We have a fun clean league with each of us giving respect to our fellow competitors. If people can't race that way then they don't belong here.

I just want to know how you went 20 laps on tires? That's something I could never do. That shows some concentration on your part, racing while conserving the tires to that degree is hard to accomplish.

 

[ito1969]

Well I thought that what makes this league different from other online racing is the most of us follow the rules and respect each other, because is all about having fun.This is mi side of what happened last night on lap 34 I believe Dprofesional comes from behind and bumps me really hard without saying sorry and then he tries to pass me in turn 9,10 and 11 but keeps hitting my sides that made me really upset I might have bumped him too that resulted in some comments that he might said.After that Xavier does the same thing but he kept calling me cheater and to get out his way so lets say there was a lot of contact between my car and his.Now I'm sorry if I did something wrong but the way I feel about this is both of these guys could have pass me without any contact or as soon as we get to strait of way and It would have been fine.Besides there are no rules about if you get lapped you have to let them go.
I might not be really good at online racing but I have fun doing this with you guys and besides up to this point I never had a problem with no one I'm trying to keep that way.
Thank you all for the race and also for the comments that you posted.

 

[Circuit*Star]

The blue flag

A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass. During a race, this would usually only be shown to a driver getting lapped, but during practice or qualifying it could be shown to any driver. In most series, the blue flag is not mandatory - drivers obey it only as a courtesy to their fellow racers. In other series, drivers get severely penalized for not yielding or for interfering with the leaders, including getting sent to the pits for the rest of the race. In Formula One, if the driver about to be lapped ignores three waved blue flags in a row, he is required to make a drive-through penalty.

 

[AllinWitJT]

The blue flag

A light blue flag, sometimes with a diagonal yellow, orange, or red stripe, informs a driver that a faster car is approaching and that the driver should move aside to allow one or more faster cars to pass. During a race, this would usually only be shown to a driver getting lapped, but during practice or qualifying it could be shown to any driver. In most series, the blue flag is not mandatory - drivers obey it only as a courtesy to their fellow racers. In other series, drivers get severely penalized for not yielding or for interfering with the leaders, including getting sent to the pits for the rest of the race. In Formula One, if the driver about to be lapped ignores three waved blue flags in a row, he is required to make a drive-through penalty.

Yeah we know. But if your not good enough to pass clean at the right time, get frustrated, your not fast enough to do it, stayed out on bald tires to try and win resulting in poor lines, blame others for your lack of passing skills, bump into traffic because you can't wait for the opportunity, then the lapping car is at fault. Also, if lead car 1 passes lap traffic clean and your car 2 trying to do the same but just can't then you lose. Simple. Car 2 was just out raced. That's why number 2 is number 2. Like me. Ha ha.

 

[NCRthree]

Fun race last nite guys. That was my second online league race (last week @deSarthe was 1st but I got disconnected). What a great change of pace from the bashing and 1st corner mayhem that I've experienced with open lobby racing soft sprints.

My dc2 Integra proved able to go w/1 pit easily, I pitted after 21 laps. Nice light car that held its line even with shot tires. I was thrilled to place 4th with the old teggy.

Couple noob questions:

1. How do I keep my qualifying position after I go into the pit before the race? After the false start I had been put back to last after I pressed Cancel Entry to exit the aborted race. So back out I went to try and regain my starting position.

2. Then after dproff asked everyone to enter the pit just prior to the real start, my car just kept reentering the track after I went into the pit. I know I must of looked like an idiot as I went through this about 3 times-zipping down pit row over and over again! Doh!
So, how do you stay put in the pit before the race start and/or keep my qualifying position?

Thanks. Hopefully I can make it for Thur.

 

[Circuit*Star]

I'm sorry to say IToss69 that we only contact once and at the hairpin where I was in front in the outside and you came from the inside and bump me to the side, please look at the replay. i said " stop bumping me I'm second place what are you doing" check your laps compare to our lap times of me and D before and after, you were not competitive enough you were making traffic, we got to you causing traffic. I simply don't understand how is it legal for overlap drivers to get into battle with the leader when clearly, me and D were faster because eventually we did pass you. If I did contact you like you say I'm sorry it was not my intention my lyres were gone. I don't agree with Boshuter "a driver will fight with all he has to keep from being put a lap down" and all I'm going to say is to follow the flag rules of racing. In all kinds of racing where the leader is over lapping the traffic the marshal's wave a flag for the traffic to move over and let the leaders go by if you have not seen this then maybe you don't know the rules of professional racing nor you are racing professionally. Please look at the replay before making false statements because from my point of view you were blocking D all the way and it was not fair thank you xavierFwd.

 

[Circuit*Star]

Yeah we know. But if your not good enough to pass clean at the right time, get frustrated, your not fast enough to do it, stayed out on bald tires to try and win resulting in poor lines, blame others for your lack of passing skills, bump into traffic because you can't wait for the opportunity, then the lapping car is at fault. Also, if lead car 1 passes lap traffic clean and your car 2 trying to do the same but just can't then you lose. Simple. Car 2 was just out raced. That's why number 2 is number 2. Like me. Ha ha.

Look at the replay and tell me if Itoss661 didn't Block D.

 

[st1sj]

I missed out on some excitement. I would suggest that race issues be dealt with privately and DJ, as the series organizer, should act as the final arbitrator. There should be no need to call out anyone individually.

No matter who is right or wrong, these issues should remain private.

 

[djchon661]

I'll definitely be watching the replay first chance I get.

When it comes to lapped traffic the rule is:

The slower driver must hold his line.

In that case the faster driver needs to find away around him. In our racing series we've never had a problem before with blocking. Also the flag racing rule is helpful in real life racing series where racers can clearly see the flag or they have pit crews radio'ing the drivers and notifiy them of faster cars or obstacles in the road.

In GT5 obviously that is not possible so it is better to remain patient when following a slower vehicle.

 

[st1sj]

Actually, the GTP rule is a little different:

C:

Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. Slow down on the straights on either side of the track or maintain the outside line during cornering. If for whatever reason you happen to be on the inside line when being overtaken, stay on the inside line until all drivers that were about to lap you have passed. You are not allowed to deliberately block the lapping cars.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

 

[djchon661]

Thanks for the clarification snoopy. Like I said I'll definitely be watching the replay and issuing warnings if necessary. Hopefully it was a minor incident in an otherwise great race and we can get back to the fun stuff.

 

[Circuit*Star]

Actually, the GTP rule is a little different:

C:

Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping cars. Slow down on the straights on either side of the track or maintain the outside line during cornering. If for whatever reason you happen to be on the inside line when being overtaken, stay on the inside line until all drivers that were about to lap you have passed. You are not allowed to deliberately block the lapping cars.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

Thanks buddy. This is exactly my point of view of how proper races should be race. Drivers that are about to get lapped have to make sure not to interfere with the lapping(Faster) cars. I do understand the view of keeping your line but the situation was not fair. Aside from this drama I also apologize for the yelling and screaming of overjoy racing victory, this will not happen again. I would also like to thanks dj for letting D and I compete in the series, looking forward for the next race.

 

[AllinWitJT]

Hey ncrthree, I know of a guy who at one time during the pit before a race was slightly sitting on his controller in the couch ( he has a wheel ) so every time he hit pause in the pit with the wheel the controller he was sitting on put him back out. Funny.

 

[AllinWitJT]

I'm sorry to say IToss69 that we only contact once and at the hairpin where I was in front in the outside and you came from the inside and bump me to the side, please look at the replay. i said " stop bumping me I'm second place what are you doing" check your laps compare to our lap times of me and D before and after, you were not competitive enough you were making traffic, we got to you causing traffic. I simply don't understand how is it legal for overlap drivers to get into battle with the leader when clearly, me and D were faster because eventually we did pass you. If I did contact you like you say I'm sorry it was not my intention my lyres were gone. I don't agree with Boshuter "a driver will fight with all he has to keep from being put a lap down" and all I'm going to say is to follow the flag rules of racing. In all kinds of racing where the leader is over lapping the traffic the marshal's wave a flag for the traffic to move over and let the leaders go by if you have not seen this then maybe you don't know the rules of professional racing nor you are racing professionally. Please look at the replay before making false statements because from my point of view you were blocking D all the way and it was not fair thank you xavierFwd.

Well said, and it's good to hear the other side of any questionable action. I have still to watch the replay, but you and I put on an exciting show I would have to guess and want to see it. We had some action packed side by side racing for most corners up to lap 11 or 12. Fun stuff. I can't remember the other racer who joined us but I do recall going three wide into the tunnel a few times.

 

[Circuit*Star]

Well said, and it's good to hear the other side of any questionable action. I have still to watch the replay, but you and I put on an exciting show I would have to guess and want to see it. We had some action packed side by side racing for most corners up to lap 11 or 12. Fun stuff. I can't remember the other racer who joined us but I do recall going three wide into the tunnel a few times.

Yea, it was great fun. I overjoy myself with this event. I know we contact couple of time but never the less it was an amazing race thank you.

 

[brettcee]

Hey ncrthree, I know of a guy who at one time during the pit before a race was slightly sitting on his controller in the couch ( he has a wheel ) so every time he hit pause in the pit with the wheel the controller he was sitting on put him back out. Funny.

Thanks for outing me. Oh...I just outed myself.

That was a good race, I came in second to last again, but I had a few laps in the middle of pack. Apologies if I bumped or blocked anybody, I'm not used to racing with other cars around?, usually I'm in last place, going around all by myself, except for when I get lapped.

 

[Godangit]

Seems like a couple of the new guys were a bit impatient and tried to go through people instead of waiting for an opportunity to get around clean. If this behavior isn't changed, Season 2 is gonna get ugly real quick.

 

[xR0ADRASHx]

I guess this whole situation should be dealt with by DJ. It would be a shame to lose some regulars that have be racing with us for some time due to over aggressive racers who take this too seriously. It's a video game and is supposed to be fun

 

[thlogan]

I guess this whole situation should be dealt with by DJ. It would be a shame to lose some regulars that have be racing with us for some time due to over aggressive racers who take this too seriously. It's a video game and is supposed to be fun

I think Road Rash hit the nail on the head. To me, losing our regulars is unacceptable. While the racing is always fun, its the camaraderie we have all enjoyed that makes this league different. To the newcomers, please take a look at our many posts in the season one thread, and I think it will be very apparent how much fun we have and how much we enjoy just hanging together. DJ started this league as an alternative to the very competitive and aggressive leagues, of which there are many. Possibly they would be a better fit. I'm just sorry DJ is put into this position. He doesn't deserve it.


To Boshuter : No need to apologize. I've hit more walls than anybody and probably will continue to hit many more in the future. Heck, I accidentally did about the same thing to you at Sarthe. You're a lot of fun to run with and a great addition to this bunch. Although your avatar does scare me a bit.

 

[boshuter]

I don't agree with Boshuter "a driver will fight with all he has to keep from being put a lap down" and all I'm going to say is to follow the flag rules of racing. In all kinds of racing where the leader is over lapping the traffic the marshal's wave a flag for the traffic to move over and let the leaders go by if you have not seen this then maybe you don't know the rules of professional racing nor you are racing professionally. Please look at the replay before making false statements because from my point of view you were blocking D all the way and it was not fair thank you xavierFwd.

I'm not going to offer an opinion about what happend between itoss and whoever was doing the complaining.

I know exactly what a blue flag is, and I know exactly what the rules are, at least according to the SCCA, which covers MANY forms of racing in the U.S. I have 700pg manual sitting here on my bookshelf and will try to quote you a couple of relevant parts.

"According to SCCA rules and regulations (current); on page 58, Chapter 6, section 6.1.1 (Meaning of Each Flag), D. Blue Flag (blue with diagonal yellow stripe). Another competitor is following very closely or is trying to overtake. This flag may be displayed standing or waiving, depending on the speed differential." It is simply a warning to the driver being overtaken to be aware of the overtaking car, not a command to slow and let it around.

On pages 62-63, Chapter 6, Section 6.11.1 (on course driver conduct), part D. The overtaking driver is responsible for the decision to pass another car and to accomplish it safely. The overtaken drivers is responsible to be aware that he is being passed and not to impede or block the overtaking car.

Nothing in the 700 pages of rules says a car being lapped has to move over and let anyone go by, although it is commonly done and I always try to do it myself. I can find no mention whatsoever about overtaking lapped cars, according to the rules they are no different than overtaking any other car. There are rules about cars that cannot maintain race pace and they are usually black flagged. Basically, all the rules say is; be careful and don't block, nothing about pulling over or running slow off the racing line to allow the pass.
If you have documentation with this "move over for lapped traffic" rule, I'd love to see it.

 

[AllinWitJT]

Couple noob questions:

1. How do I keep my qualifying position after I go into the pit before the race? After the false start I had been put back to last after I pressed Cancel Entry to exit the aborted race. So back out I went to try and regain my starting position.

I am really not sure. It appears that we were all kind of just hanging in the room then practice was reset 10 minutes before the race so we could qualify. I have a bad memory and can't recall what we did for the previous races. I need some help figuring this out too.

 

[Godangit]

Blanket party!!!!!!!

 

[djchon661]

photo's are gonna be a little late in coming. I'm still getting drunk. Had to take a break to sleep but right back at it now!