Super Tuner Car Championship Season 2
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DJ
Will you be able to host tomorrow night? Or do you need me to "stand in" for you?
Will you be able to host tomorrow night? Or do you need me to "stand in" for you?
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Good deal just saw you come online. I'm running some practice now if anyone wants to join
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can't join in right now (god knows i need the practice though. Haven't had any practice at all). Gotta review the last race. In my hungover state I may have messed up the final standings so i'm double checking my work.
EDIT:
Turns out my results are correct. Move along fellas, nothing to see here.
EDIT:
Turns out my results are correct. Move along fellas, nothing to see here.
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- snoopykuan
Hey guys, thanks for accommodating my schedule. If we start qualifying at 9:30 PM with race starting at 10:00 PM, I should be able to make it on Fridays for sure. But, no need to change the time just for my sake; although I appreciate it.
DJ, I have some ideas for upcoming races:
450 PP, JDM RWD, comfort soft tires, at Suzuka.
Nissan Silva RM, 500 PP, racing hard, at Deep Forest reverse.
3 sprint races (20 laps each) at Top Gear (with starting grid of subsequent race based on last race so winner starts last). Aston Martin v Jaguar, sports soft, 500 PP.
DJ, I have some ideas for upcoming races:
450 PP, JDM RWD, comfort soft tires, at Suzuka.
Nissan Silva RM, 500 PP, racing hard, at Deep Forest reverse.
3 sprint races (20 laps each) at Top Gear (with starting grid of subsequent race based on last race so winner starts last). Aston Martin v Jaguar, sports soft, 500 PP.
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st1sj
What's JDM?
All sounds cool. I just hate comfort softs is all.
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are you full for friday may be I will be there 500 PP RMcar
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thlogan
Hilarious.
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Hey all, ran some sprints tonight with about 6 or 7 folks and wanted to share some thoughts on the race. I understand at the last race, there were some incidents. This track is very narrow, and has very few passing opportunities. On behalf of the folks who raced tonight, I would like to remind everyone the following:
1. Please do your best not to make any contact with the cars around you, even if that means you have to brake early and lose time.
2. If you are in front, and a faster guy is behind you, please do not swerve or block. Keep your line and it is up to the faster guy to get around you.
3. If you are the faster guy behind a slower car (see #2 above), please avoid contact when passing. Be patient, as there are only few places to pass on the track. That may mean you have to follow for a lap or 2 before you can pass.
3. When making a passing move, please do not dive-bomb into a turn (e.g., turn 1 and the end of the back stretch) and please do not make contact with the car in front of you (e.g., pit maneuver). If you make a contact with the car in front of you, you must cede the position, even if that means other cars are passing you.
4. If you are being lapped, please move out of the driving line. Communicate with the mic that you see the leaders and are moving out of the way. If you do not have a mic, then please watch your mirrors carefully and move out early so the leaders know.
5. Be careful when coming out of the pits. The pit exit is short and when exiting the pits it is your responsibility not to make contact with cars on the track.
I encourage everyone to read the GTP rules: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241. This should be a fun race with some good battles all over the grid. Looking forward to it.
1. Please do your best not to make any contact with the cars around you, even if that means you have to brake early and lose time.
2. If you are in front, and a faster guy is behind you, please do not swerve or block. Keep your line and it is up to the faster guy to get around you.
3. If you are the faster guy behind a slower car (see #2 above), please avoid contact when passing. Be patient, as there are only few places to pass on the track. That may mean you have to follow for a lap or 2 before you can pass.
3. When making a passing move, please do not dive-bomb into a turn (e.g., turn 1 and the end of the back stretch) and please do not make contact with the car in front of you (e.g., pit maneuver). If you make a contact with the car in front of you, you must cede the position, even if that means other cars are passing you.
4. If you are being lapped, please move out of the driving line. Communicate with the mic that you see the leaders and are moving out of the way. If you do not have a mic, then please watch your mirrors carefully and move out early so the leaders know.
5. Be careful when coming out of the pits. The pit exit is short and when exiting the pits it is your responsibility not to make contact with cars on the track.
I encourage everyone to read the GTP rules: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241. This should be a fun race with some good battles all over the grid. Looking forward to it.
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- snoopykuan
DJ, just want to remind you to setup a public lobby, with "fixed host" unchecked. It is my understanding that tires will warm up faster in a public lobby, and connection/lag issues are minimized. You will probably have to kick out random strays that stop by, but once the race starts there will be no issue.
Also, what do you think about using the 1st lap as a parade lap? The race to the first corner could (and probably will) be very messy. It is fairly easy to do.
We would qualify and then when the race starts, everyone would just get in single file behind the pole sitter.
Pole sitter will drive around at 70 mph, until after the last turn.
When everyone is on the straights (the last person will call it), the pole sitter will accelerate to racing speed and everyone else will follow.
No passing before the start/finish line. Hopefully, this will minimize the "race to the first corner".
Although it is to my disadvantage for sure, as I am only good at starts.
Also, what do you think about using the 1st lap as a parade lap? The race to the first corner could (and probably will) be very messy. It is fairly easy to do.
We would qualify and then when the race starts, everyone would just get in single file behind the pole sitter.
Pole sitter will drive around at 70 mph, until after the last turn.
When everyone is on the straights (the last person will call it), the pole sitter will accelerate to racing speed and everyone else will follow.
No passing before the start/finish line. Hopefully, this will minimize the "race to the first corner".
Although it is to my disadvantage for sure, as I am only good at starts.
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st1sj
Great points, I agree with all. Need some clarification on this one. There is sure to be tapping, door rubbing and some bumper contact. Is the above situation for cars that are shoved off line into a wall, spun out or wrecked? I would agree to give a spot back if I caused that type of mess overtaking. I don't think anyone should give a spot back for rubbing that occurs during some true racing mishaps and natural accidents. Everyone knows when they punt another driver. That should be the case to give the spot back. We will all catch that on the replay anyway. Again, thanks for the outline it should help all realize how tight this track is. There were quite a few bunch ups tonight through the narrow sections.
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EDIT:
I ment a lobby opening at 9PM and a race start of 10PM est.
My bad senior moment!
hmmm, race start at 3am for me then, will have to drink less beer I guess, don't wanna fall asleep at the wheel
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- SoopamanLuva
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- SoopamanLuva
surely this just delays the first corner carnage!? I actually quite like the difficulty of the first corner with so many cars trying to gain position, so long as we all obey the rules and do our best not to punt people on the brakes it can make the race very interesting at the start, maybe review it on a track by track basis as some will be more prone to carnage than others...
also someone told me that a grid start with false start check gives you more credit/xp, not sure if that's true but should be easy enough to verify
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In our muscle car lobby the rules are no passing until after the first corner at the start of the race. After the first corner the race is on. Race the way you want to be raced. Don't use another car as a brake or moving guard rail. If your a jerk, your gone. Most of the people adhear to it. But there is a yahoo once and awhile that will try to win the race in the first corner. He's proptly given the boot and told to have a nice day. We didn't have any lag in the last (2) races or tire issues. Although this is a smaller track. I think we'll be ok running the private lounge.
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I think that would be better than a formation lap
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I like the public rooms over private lobbies myself. Tire wear and lag issues are minimized and it just seems to work better. The only drawback is in having to kick the people who don't belong before the race, the host almost always has to start in the back because he can't be on track and will not have a qualifying time when it's time to start the race.
A lot of these ideas are good ones, unfortunately, it's mostly going to be up to the racers to adhere to them. Most will, but I can guarantee there will be some who won't. Enforcement is very hard, the only way is for the replays to be watched after the race, this takes a lot of time. I ran a SuperGT series and expected to spend hours each week watching replays of the race; I did end up with very clean races by using very harsh penalties. If I noticed a driver with a tendency to punt cars, dive into every corner, etc., etc., I would warn them. If it happened again they were DQ'd for that race. One more time and they were gone. A DQ will get most drivers attention, if that doesn't do it, get rid of them.
A lot of these ideas are good ones, unfortunately, it's mostly going to be up to the racers to adhere to them. Most will, but I can guarantee there will be some who won't. Enforcement is very hard, the only way is for the replays to be watched after the race, this takes a lot of time. I ran a SuperGT series and expected to spend hours each week watching replays of the race; I did end up with very clean races by using very harsh penalties. If I noticed a driver with a tendency to punt cars, dive into every corner, etc., etc., I would warn them. If it happened again they were DQ'd for that race. One more time and they were gone. A DQ will get most drivers attention, if that doesn't do it, get rid of them.
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Good idea. Formation laps are ok but they take a lot of time and there is some delay getting them in order. Maybe we can test it out prior to next weeks race with a semi full practice room.
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- snoopykuan
JT: I understand that there will be some contact during racing, but if we can all individually do our best not to make contact, then that will minimize any risk of serious collision during the race. I personally find it more satisfying to pass someone without any contact, then to rub doors or fenders. It is doable to have a clean pass, albeit it could take longer. However, that is more realistic anyway and the reason we all race for over an hour is to seek some realism.
Bo: I agree that enforcement is key. I also like to believe that we are all good racers with respect for our cars and other cars, so we can self regulate.
Roadrash: I like your idea of no passing until after the 1st corner. I brought up the formation lap for 2 reasons. (1) sometimes the grid is not accurate. If you set your fast lap, exit to the lobby to make changes, then your fast lap is deleted. (2) Rome is a narrow course with the starting grid very close together, similar to Monaco, which could lead to increasing amount of contact. At Laguna Seca, for example, the grid is further apart and it is less likely to cause contact. Anyway, I just wanted to throw out the idea and have some discussion. We do not need formation lap for every race, just depends on the course.
Glad to see some good discussion on race etiquette and procedures. By the way, when the leaders are coming up on lapped cars, it would be helpful for the leaders to let the lapped cars know. Since I am way off pace, if I am running in 8th position out of 16 racers, my timing/scoring would not show who the leaders or the backmarkers are.
Bo: I agree that enforcement is key. I also like to believe that we are all good racers with respect for our cars and other cars, so we can self regulate.
Roadrash: I like your idea of no passing until after the 1st corner. I brought up the formation lap for 2 reasons. (1) sometimes the grid is not accurate. If you set your fast lap, exit to the lobby to make changes, then your fast lap is deleted. (2) Rome is a narrow course with the starting grid very close together, similar to Monaco, which could lead to increasing amount of contact. At Laguna Seca, for example, the grid is further apart and it is less likely to cause contact. Anyway, I just wanted to throw out the idea and have some discussion. We do not need formation lap for every race, just depends on the course.
Glad to see some good discussion on race etiquette and procedures. By the way, when the leaders are coming up on lapped cars, it would be helpful for the leaders to let the lapped cars know. Since I am way off pace, if I am running in 8th position out of 16 racers, my timing/scoring would not show who the leaders or the backmarkers are.
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Question about qualifying.
I looked at the Super Tuner website but didn't see this covered so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction.
What is your procedure for qualifying?
Do you just stay on course and run pre race laps until the steward presses Start Race?
Seems like when I've been running laps before a race and then click Cancel Entry to go back to the lounge in order to sit on pit row, I go back to last. Makes sense. Is there some way to go into the pit before the start w/o losing my spot?
Last week after the false start, I went on course to requalify and when I when I entered the pit as requested my car just kept going back on the track in front of the other cars. I don't want to repeat that error again tonight.
Thanks.
I looked at the Super Tuner website but didn't see this covered so hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction.
What is your procedure for qualifying?
Do you just stay on course and run pre race laps until the steward presses Start Race?
Seems like when I've been running laps before a race and then click Cancel Entry to go back to the lounge in order to sit on pit row, I go back to last. Makes sense. Is there some way to go into the pit before the start w/o losing my spot?
Last week after the false start, I went on course to requalify and when I when I entered the pit as requested my car just kept going back on the track in front of the other cars. I don't want to repeat that error again tonight.
Thanks.
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ncr, if you want to make sure your hot lap remains, you should enter the pits by driving into it and then when the car is parked at the pits, press "start". Do not press "start" to cancel to the pits and do NOT exit to the lobby to make more changes.
Actually, I think it would be helpful if we all do that. What we could do is this:
(1) lobby opens. Run practice laps and re-tune.
(2) before qualifying starts. DJ will reset the track so all time is deleted.
(3) qualifying starts. Everyone goes out and block everyone else. Go back into the pits when you are done (or in my case, when I give up).
(4) race starts. We all race to the first corner and mayhem ensues.
Actually, I think it would be helpful if we all do that. What we could do is this:
(1) lobby opens. Run practice laps and re-tune.
(2) before qualifying starts. DJ will reset the track so all time is deleted.
(3) qualifying starts. Everyone goes out and block everyone else. Go back into the pits when you are done (or in my case, when I give up).
(4) race starts. We all race to the first corner and mayhem ensues.
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coolracer, the next race is this Thursday at 9:30 PM ET (lobby opens at 9:00 PM ET), US date/time.
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I think a formation lap would really cool but trying to keep everyone in line and on the same page would be tough. It would definately help with the first lap cold tire deal. The key is you can't win the race in the first corner everyone relax, give each other room and there shouldn't be an issue at the start. That being said....it never happens adrenaline and testosterone take over, fenders and mirrors go flying every where. As far as passing lap cars... if your a good enough driver you should be able to p[ass off the driving line with no contact. Yes everyone bumps or rubs during side by side racing. It's an accident an ooops or " i'm sorry" is all thats needed. Punting .... well you know if you've been punted. That's "mediocre" driving!
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