TCv3 Judges, Grades, Scores, Awards, Battles...
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lol.
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Wow, How I see some of the cars and how you see them are very different holden, Its almost to the point where it looks like I focused on handling, while you looked at speed and such instead
You'll see what I mean once I get my reviews up around Fri. or so
I focused on both handling and speed, as some results will easily show.
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Yeah, sorry dimplz. Your car was awesomely fun to drive though. By the sounds of the way Kurei will rank them you will place higher with him, and then it's all Kent's decision in the end who gets what.
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FR Class Testing Results (Judge/Driver: Kurei)
(*Note: All T1 times are not official Time Attack runs, only cruise figures)
1.Leonidae – BMW 120i ‘04
T1 time: 0’37.931 / Score: 97
2.Tie
*nd 4 holden spd – ASL Garaiya ‘02
T1 time: 0’35.418 / Score: 96
*VTiRoj – Honda NSX Type R ‘02
T1 time: 0’35.473 / Score: 96
3.Tie
*Soprano 313 – BMW M3
T1 time: 0’36.672 / Score: 95
*Snyp – Lotus Elise 111R ‘04
T1 time: 0’34.705 / Score: 95
4.Tie
*maifa_boy – Nissan Silvia Q’s (S14) ‘93
T1 time: 0’38.938 / Score: 94
*=drifting24/7= - Toyota Sprinter Trueno SS ver. ‘00
T1 time: 0’39.267 / Score: 94
5.Tie
*nissan tuner – Toyota MR-S Spyder (Sequential)
T1 time: 0’38.548 / Score: 93
*dimplz – Mazda MX-5 1800 rs ‘00
T1 time: 0’39.895 / Score: 93
6.Rotary Junkie – Mazda RX-8
T1 time: 0’36.372 / Score: 92
7.r34ben – Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M ‘89
T1 time: 0’37.971 / Score: 91
8.wrc sti – RUF BTR
T1 time: 0’36.532 / Score: 88
Competition was real close this round
Special Award Nomination: Leo's BMW 120i for its spectacular suspension
Class Battle Nominations: holden's ASL Garaiya vs. VTiRoj's NSX Type R
EDIT* I accidentally mixed up the T1 times for Soprano and mafia_boy, I have corrected the error and all is correct now
(*Note: All T1 times are not official Time Attack runs, only cruise figures)
1.Leonidae – BMW 120i ‘04
T1 time: 0’37.931 / Score: 97
2.Tie
*nd 4 holden spd – ASL Garaiya ‘02
T1 time: 0’35.418 / Score: 96
*VTiRoj – Honda NSX Type R ‘02
T1 time: 0’35.473 / Score: 96
3.Tie
*Soprano 313 – BMW M3
T1 time: 0’36.672 / Score: 95
*Snyp – Lotus Elise 111R ‘04
T1 time: 0’34.705 / Score: 95
4.Tie
*maifa_boy – Nissan Silvia Q’s (S14) ‘93
T1 time: 0’38.938 / Score: 94
*=drifting24/7= - Toyota Sprinter Trueno SS ver. ‘00
T1 time: 0’39.267 / Score: 94
5.Tie
*nissan tuner – Toyota MR-S Spyder (Sequential)
T1 time: 0’38.548 / Score: 93
*dimplz – Mazda MX-5 1800 rs ‘00
T1 time: 0’39.895 / Score: 93
6.Rotary Junkie – Mazda RX-8
T1 time: 0’36.372 / Score: 92
7.r34ben – Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M ‘89
T1 time: 0’37.971 / Score: 91
8.wrc sti – RUF BTR
T1 time: 0’36.532 / Score: 88
Competition was real close this round
Special Award Nomination: Leo's BMW 120i for its spectacular suspension
Class Battle Nominations: holden's ASL Garaiya vs. VTiRoj's NSX Type R
EDIT* I accidentally mixed up the T1 times for Soprano and mafia_boy, I have corrected the error and all is correct now
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Leonidaes BMW 120i Review:
This car was quite a surprise really, especially on the first drive. Its suspension is quite something, It rolls just slightly, but that roll gives the car such a realistic feeling to it, you can keep it nice and level, or tuck into the corners if you want, that suspension is amazing and quite versatile, and is what separated it from the others as it has the grip and braking potential to aid it in terms of handling, letting anyone from my brother to my Grandma drive it to its max, and enjoy it all the way, a real rival to the Amuse S2000.
nd 4 holden spds ASL Garaiya Review:
One of the more quick and fast entries, this cars Power to Weight ratio gets it moving brutality fast, no questions or hesitation at all. An excellent car in proper hands with excellent brakes and traction, but all that speed doesnt transfer if the driver cant handle it, in other words it may be too much for the non-quick driver, who usually ends up with twitchy driving and there for isnt as broad as the 120i, which anyone can handle no matter the skill.
VtiRojs Honda NSX Type R Review:
This car is kinda like a light-switch, either it was on, or off, mostly for cornering though, its good everywhere else. The car has good accel, brakes, and grip, however at good speeds during mid-corner, despite its amazing grip, the car feels like it wants to wander off the line, and either suddenly gain grip and pull towards the inside, or lose it and move outwards, and I constantly felt it going back and forth between the two, mostly at the right-hand sweeper and following right-hand sweeper to the T1 arc, other that it wasnt as noticeable, but still there in small amounts, an adjustment in Downforce or Toe could help eliminate that, and have made it that much nicer, A worthy rival to the ASL.
Soprano 313s BMW M3 Review:
This car was apparently tuned to rival the M3 race car, and that it does, Accel, Braking, and Grip are all on par with the Racer, but matching one doesnt always bring in a win, I discovered a few worries of the car, not necessarily issues, but some things to be aware. First, I kept getting a hint of some lack in the front traction during corners, no understeer, just, I felt that the front traction could have been much better with some suspension variations, and then second, Is the cars size in relation to the road, the wheelbase is a little on the long side, which works against turn-in and rotation for the tighter corners, and may also be whats affecting the front traction, but both arent anything to fret over, because everywhere else the car was very good, just something to consider for the future, so dont worry about it, you still built a good car, but it didnt impress me extraordinarily.
Snyps Lotus Elise 111R Review:
I will admit, this car is brutally fast everywhere, but as Kent has said, speed alone is not enough to win, its got to be capable of handling in anyones hands, and this car is really, for experienced drivers only. Great accel and braking, but gather too much momentum from the insane speed while making a corner transition, and you can easily feel the rear end wanting to swap positions with the front, if that could be tamed like holdens ASL, this car would be unbeatable, no doubt, but as it stands now, its too slick in the rear for me.
mafia_boys Nissan Silvia Qs (S14) Review:
This car was very well balanced, not that fast, but not that slow with a good driver behind it, good balance between oversteer/understeer, having a little of both. The car was in the area of neutral, where it doesnt have too much of anything, but uses what it has to the full potential, I wouldve however, liked a little more oversteer, but as it stands now a great car for practice, Not that many problems with it other than the slow accel and spontaneous understeer.
=drifting24/7=s Toyota Sprinter Trueno SS ver. Review:
This car is also a good practice car, accel isnt that great, but the brakes and grip are decent, however I dont like the stiffness of the car, its too stiff. I think the car wouldve been much better with a softer suspension overall, and a softer front as well to help promote good weight transfer to the front, and letting the rear slide a little like how the car should be driven, if that could be achieved in a controllable fashion, this would be a much more fun car.
dimplzs Mazda MX-5 1800 rs Review:
A nice car at average speeds, but once you reach the right-hand sweeper the rear comes alive and wants to do its own thing. Accel and braking are good, but when you start cornering, oversteer kicks in with a wallop, requiring major correction quickly before the rear slides to far, but once you make the correction, GT4s drifting kick-back then comes into play, and turns you towards a wall. If you can tame the rear (which does take quite some skill to do it in the right amounts), then the car can be made fast, but for those who cant, a very slippery ride awaits at the sweeper.
nissan tuners Toyota MR-S Spyder (Sequential) Review:
As a fan of the MR-S myself, I knew what I could expect out of the car, excellent cornering with a hint of oversteer, But thats not exactly what I got out of the car, it has good grip, braking, etc, but in areas where little weight is on the front, understeer was a little stronger than necessary, due to a stiffer than needed front suspension and the cars natural weight distribution. A good car if you can force the weight transfer and kick the rear out, but not for those looking for obedience in the front.
Rotary Junkies RX-8 Review:
Seeing how the tuners name implies he likes rotaries, and that this entry uses one, I was expecting something else, like last time with the DC5 Type Rs FR handling, however this time around was different, Its got good accel, braking, but when you hit the corners, understeer likes to kick in, especially in the right-hand sweeper, where I constantly had the car go off my line, slide to the middle and then re-gain grip, and then the same effect on the left handed exit, and the long right-sweeper towards the T1 arc, if that could be eliminated, this car would rival that of VtiRojs NSX in terms of handling.
r34bens Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M Review:
An interesting car choice, a GTS, something you dont see often now-a-days, maybe for reasons unknown, maybe for their rarity, but it does have potential. This tune though, doesnt bring out the fullest from it, Its got grip and brakes, accel too, but that doesnt come until the wheelspin stops, the LSD on the car is not good, allowing spin on straight accel over road irregularities, corner exits, etc, and the suspension could have been better in the rear, a little too stiff if you ask me, but if the LSD and Rear suspension are altered, I think it could make a good car for tighter tracks.
wrc stis RUF BTR Review:
This car, I cant say is fun unless your on a straight-away full throttle, elsewhere this car is not that good of a drive, constant oversteer due to the RR layout, over-powered for some corners, and RUF brakes have never been amazing. It does have good front traction, but it isnt that useful when the rear is slipping everywhere during corner transitions, I tamed it as much as I could, and it still wanted to slide hear and there, probably because of the weight distribution. The CR-X from before was much better.
This car was quite a surprise really, especially on the first drive. Its suspension is quite something, It rolls just slightly, but that roll gives the car such a realistic feeling to it, you can keep it nice and level, or tuck into the corners if you want, that suspension is amazing and quite versatile, and is what separated it from the others as it has the grip and braking potential to aid it in terms of handling, letting anyone from my brother to my Grandma drive it to its max, and enjoy it all the way, a real rival to the Amuse S2000.
nd 4 holden spds ASL Garaiya Review:
One of the more quick and fast entries, this cars Power to Weight ratio gets it moving brutality fast, no questions or hesitation at all. An excellent car in proper hands with excellent brakes and traction, but all that speed doesnt transfer if the driver cant handle it, in other words it may be too much for the non-quick driver, who usually ends up with twitchy driving and there for isnt as broad as the 120i, which anyone can handle no matter the skill.
VtiRojs Honda NSX Type R Review:
This car is kinda like a light-switch, either it was on, or off, mostly for cornering though, its good everywhere else. The car has good accel, brakes, and grip, however at good speeds during mid-corner, despite its amazing grip, the car feels like it wants to wander off the line, and either suddenly gain grip and pull towards the inside, or lose it and move outwards, and I constantly felt it going back and forth between the two, mostly at the right-hand sweeper and following right-hand sweeper to the T1 arc, other that it wasnt as noticeable, but still there in small amounts, an adjustment in Downforce or Toe could help eliminate that, and have made it that much nicer, A worthy rival to the ASL.
Soprano 313s BMW M3 Review:
This car was apparently tuned to rival the M3 race car, and that it does, Accel, Braking, and Grip are all on par with the Racer, but matching one doesnt always bring in a win, I discovered a few worries of the car, not necessarily issues, but some things to be aware. First, I kept getting a hint of some lack in the front traction during corners, no understeer, just, I felt that the front traction could have been much better with some suspension variations, and then second, Is the cars size in relation to the road, the wheelbase is a little on the long side, which works against turn-in and rotation for the tighter corners, and may also be whats affecting the front traction, but both arent anything to fret over, because everywhere else the car was very good, just something to consider for the future, so dont worry about it, you still built a good car, but it didnt impress me extraordinarily.
Snyps Lotus Elise 111R Review:
I will admit, this car is brutally fast everywhere, but as Kent has said, speed alone is not enough to win, its got to be capable of handling in anyones hands, and this car is really, for experienced drivers only. Great accel and braking, but gather too much momentum from the insane speed while making a corner transition, and you can easily feel the rear end wanting to swap positions with the front, if that could be tamed like holdens ASL, this car would be unbeatable, no doubt, but as it stands now, its too slick in the rear for me.
mafia_boys Nissan Silvia Qs (S14) Review:
This car was very well balanced, not that fast, but not that slow with a good driver behind it, good balance between oversteer/understeer, having a little of both. The car was in the area of neutral, where it doesnt have too much of anything, but uses what it has to the full potential, I wouldve however, liked a little more oversteer, but as it stands now a great car for practice, Not that many problems with it other than the slow accel and spontaneous understeer.
=drifting24/7=s Toyota Sprinter Trueno SS ver. Review:
This car is also a good practice car, accel isnt that great, but the brakes and grip are decent, however I dont like the stiffness of the car, its too stiff. I think the car wouldve been much better with a softer suspension overall, and a softer front as well to help promote good weight transfer to the front, and letting the rear slide a little like how the car should be driven, if that could be achieved in a controllable fashion, this would be a much more fun car.
dimplzs Mazda MX-5 1800 rs Review:
A nice car at average speeds, but once you reach the right-hand sweeper the rear comes alive and wants to do its own thing. Accel and braking are good, but when you start cornering, oversteer kicks in with a wallop, requiring major correction quickly before the rear slides to far, but once you make the correction, GT4s drifting kick-back then comes into play, and turns you towards a wall. If you can tame the rear (which does take quite some skill to do it in the right amounts), then the car can be made fast, but for those who cant, a very slippery ride awaits at the sweeper.
nissan tuners Toyota MR-S Spyder (Sequential) Review:
As a fan of the MR-S myself, I knew what I could expect out of the car, excellent cornering with a hint of oversteer, But thats not exactly what I got out of the car, it has good grip, braking, etc, but in areas where little weight is on the front, understeer was a little stronger than necessary, due to a stiffer than needed front suspension and the cars natural weight distribution. A good car if you can force the weight transfer and kick the rear out, but not for those looking for obedience in the front.
Rotary Junkies RX-8 Review:
Seeing how the tuners name implies he likes rotaries, and that this entry uses one, I was expecting something else, like last time with the DC5 Type Rs FR handling, however this time around was different, Its got good accel, braking, but when you hit the corners, understeer likes to kick in, especially in the right-hand sweeper, where I constantly had the car go off my line, slide to the middle and then re-gain grip, and then the same effect on the left handed exit, and the long right-sweeper towards the T1 arc, if that could be eliminated, this car would rival that of VtiRojs NSX in terms of handling.
r34bens Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M Review:
An interesting car choice, a GTS, something you dont see often now-a-days, maybe for reasons unknown, maybe for their rarity, but it does have potential. This tune though, doesnt bring out the fullest from it, Its got grip and brakes, accel too, but that doesnt come until the wheelspin stops, the LSD on the car is not good, allowing spin on straight accel over road irregularities, corner exits, etc, and the suspension could have been better in the rear, a little too stiff if you ask me, but if the LSD and Rear suspension are altered, I think it could make a good car for tighter tracks.
wrc stis RUF BTR Review:
This car, I cant say is fun unless your on a straight-away full throttle, elsewhere this car is not that good of a drive, constant oversteer due to the RR layout, over-powered for some corners, and RUF brakes have never been amazing. It does have good front traction, but it isnt that useful when the rear is slipping everywhere during corner transitions, I tamed it as much as I could, and it still wanted to slide hear and there, probably because of the weight distribution. The CR-X from before was much better.
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well i must be better than average as a driver cause my mx5 is quiet spectacular driven flat out sideways like it should...to slide it across apex at the hairpin the quickest way...out on the ripple strip...the slide it in across and out the other side............well thats what i think
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I'd like to discuss dimplz's MX-5 and RJ's RX-8 with you Kurei. I found with the MX-5, as dimplz just said, that hanging the rear out a bit on it is the fastest and best way to drive it, and gives it quite a good turning radius. You should try driving it like that and it will show itself as quite a good handler. As for RJ's RX-8 you and me are getting opposites, I thought the car could turn pretty well, or at least at low speeds, but the brakes weren't as brilliant.
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The RX-8 is a bit raw.
Needed more time in the oven, I think.
Needed more time in the oven, I think.
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Needed more downforce, all the things I found wrong with it were easily fixed with downforce, long brakes and high speed understeer of sorts.
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The MX-5 is fast when driven like that, but as I stated in my review, at the sweepers it doesn't like to stay at one angle for long, it constantly went back and forth between too much slide and too little slide, asking for too much correction constantly when cars that should drive like that, only need little adjustments to keep them on line
Everywhere else it was fine, but I couldn't exclude the fact that at the sweepers, the car becomes quite unstable, hence it's ranking
As for RJ's RX-8, it does handle at lower speeds (then again, what car doesn't ?) But have you given the car a really good run at medium to higher speeds?, keep the momentum up in the corners while following proper line, and I bet you'll find some understeer, I did at the right-hand sweeper and it's left-hand exit
Actually I just noticed your last post, I guess you did find some after all
Stronger brakes and maybe a re-worked suspension could get the job done without Downforce
Edit* I just wanted to mention that I'm using a DFP, so it may be the fact that I can pick up on things you can't throught a DC2 controller, and that could be where the variation is coming from
Everywhere else it was fine, but I couldn't exclude the fact that at the sweepers, the car becomes quite unstable, hence it's ranking
As for RJ's RX-8, it does handle at lower speeds (then again, what car doesn't ?) But have you given the car a really good run at medium to higher speeds?, keep the momentum up in the corners while following proper line, and I bet you'll find some understeer, I did at the right-hand sweeper and it's left-hand exit
Actually I just noticed your last post, I guess you did find some after all
Stronger brakes and maybe a re-worked suspension could get the job done without Downforce
Edit* I just wanted to mention that I'm using a DFP, so it may be the fact that I can pick up on things you can't throught a DC2 controller, and that could be where the variation is coming from
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Mafs judging of AWD Category!!
Times and Placings
10th Place: Dimplz Sirion X4 '00
Time: 40.439
Score: 78/100
9th Place: ty00123's Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 '99
Time: 36.437
Score: 80/100
8th Place: Snyp's WRX STi Spec C '04
Time: 31.596
Score: 83/100
Tied 6th Place: Soprano 313's Ford RS200 '85.
Time: 37.852
Score: 86/100
Tied 6th Place: Rotary Junkie's Skyline GT-R '89
Time: 37.140
Score: 86/100
Tied 4th Place: VTiRoj's Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 GSR MR '04
Time: 36.455
Score: 89/100
Tied 4th Place: mafia_boy's Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01
Time: 36.356
Score: 89/100
3rd Place: Nd4HoldenSpd's Mitsubishi 3000GT SR
Time: 36.890
Score: 90/100
2nd Place: Drifting24/7's Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 '00
Time: 36.504
Score: 92/100
1st Place: Leonidae's Nismo Skyline GT-R S-Tune '00
Time: 35.523
Score: 97/100
Comments on each car
Dimplz Sirion: This was a fun little car in itself, it's main problem came from it's lack of power. Good turn in, cornering and handling, but let down by the lack of power. If the Touge Monster was 300hp, this would have a chance, but it's not and this would be left behind.
ty00123's Skyline: I was a bit frustrated with the stiffness of the springs as it never allowed the car to put it's weight down properly. Also, your quoted hp figure was 30hp down on what I got with a 50000km example and made your time quicker than it should've been, however, most areas of this car are underdone and need attention to. Using the BBC and softening the springs will help a lot. Also, your gearing was way out with the higher gears. I doubt you would beat the Touge Monster consistently with this car.
Snyp's Spec C: There is only 1 word to describe this car. INSANE!! This was too wild for most drivers who would dare take this car into their hands. I didn't know each time I drove it whether I was going to get a good line or get spat out into the wall. Not knowing the camber/toe angle/stabilisers didn't really help for that so default allround on those areas!! I was sideways for about 1/2 the run, and have saved the replay for future reference due to the quickness of the time. Would you win the Touge with this?? Yes. Would you survive the Touge with this?? Probably not.
Soprano's RS200: Now this was a nice piece of kit allround, and the only thing holding it back was the lack of power producing pretty lazy T1 splits for the power on board and the wing fitted. The braking and handling were very much up to par with the higher placed cars but the performance was lacking. Maybe Stage 3 would've been better on this, I'm not too sure, but in most other areas it performed admirably. However, it wouldn't beat the Touge Monster however in this form.
RJ's R32 Skyline: I was a bit disappointed with the handling, especially since you said this is a cornering machine. I was understeering through most of the track and felt like I should've been bouncing off the walls. And I got a LOT of sideways action when going WOT after the hairpin and the left hander. The gearing of the car were well spaced, and the acceleration was good but with no real urgency to it, just nice and linear. But against the other un-winged cars, this is about a notch or two off and against Touge monster, about the same amount off.
VTiRoj's Evo 8: I like this car in general. With the current specs it's not 100% perfect but it definitely gets the job done very consistently. While it handled better than the CZ-3, it's performance was worse than it, even though it was 50hp up on it and had a better power/weight ratio. The front LSD was my only real annoyance with it, it was just put on way too strong. By loosening the LSD a bit, it turned it into a Group N rally car. But even with the stiff LSD, it just has the performance to take out the Touge Monster.
mafia_boy's CZ-3: My car suffers from catch-22. Brilliant acceleration, but the acceleration affects the handling too much as it will understeer under full load from a low 11sec accelerating car. I focused a lot on the lower speed corners as that was what we were dealing with on most of them but high speed cornering suffered as a result. Only the LSD needs to be adjusted slightly aswell on this to get the same WRC drifting style that I managed with VTiRoj's. This car was consistently in the 36.3's in testing/review and would put the Touge Monster away due to it's sheer acceleration speed, nothing under 450hp power came close.
Nd4HoldenSpd's 3000GT SR: This was a fun tub of lard to chuck around. I had a 10.0km version which pushed the power to OVER the 400hp mark with same mods. But the fun part was with the handling. This thing was turning like it was on rails with great handling at all speeds, low/middle & high. I was very impressed overall. You could drive it sensibly, you could chuck it and you'd get very similar times to T1.
Would it beat the Touge Monster?? It will, only just in times, but in the hearts of most people, it would win in sensibility, an NA 6 vs TT 6. Well deserved Bronze, but the other two raised the bar that little bit more.
drifting24/7's Skyline: For something that has ONLY 420hp with that weight, the times it pulled out were quite amazing, keeping up with most cars with more power. Handling was spot on from the word go and while it was ahead of the rest of the field, if it had that extra 100hp, it would've competed with the eventual winner in my eyes. But alas, it was only destined to be infront of the Touge Monster by a little bit but it is to be a worthy Silver Medal taker.
Leonidae's Nismo: This was as close to perfection as I've driven on Citta thus far. The acceleration was phenomenal (10sec 1/4's), the turning was brilliant and not overdone, and barely a hint of wheelspin in all areas of the circuit. Anyone who has a basic grasp of Gran Turismo can get this car, tune it up and destroy nearly anything in sight, be it on this tight twisty track or against Zonda's around Tsukuba.
Great work Leo, and a worthy winner in my eyes on this occasion, your car is just streets ahead of the opposition.
Times and Placings
10th Place: Dimplz Sirion X4 '00
Time: 40.439
Score: 78/100
9th Place: ty00123's Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 '99
Time: 36.437
Score: 80/100
8th Place: Snyp's WRX STi Spec C '04
Time: 31.596
Score: 83/100
Tied 6th Place: Soprano 313's Ford RS200 '85.
Time: 37.852
Score: 86/100
Tied 6th Place: Rotary Junkie's Skyline GT-R '89
Time: 37.140
Score: 86/100
Tied 4th Place: VTiRoj's Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 GSR MR '04
Time: 36.455
Score: 89/100
Tied 4th Place: mafia_boy's Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01
Time: 36.356
Score: 89/100
3rd Place: Nd4HoldenSpd's Mitsubishi 3000GT SR
Time: 36.890
Score: 90/100
2nd Place: Drifting24/7's Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 '00
Time: 36.504
Score: 92/100
1st Place: Leonidae's Nismo Skyline GT-R S-Tune '00
Time: 35.523
Score: 97/100
Comments on each car
Dimplz Sirion: This was a fun little car in itself, it's main problem came from it's lack of power. Good turn in, cornering and handling, but let down by the lack of power. If the Touge Monster was 300hp, this would have a chance, but it's not and this would be left behind.
ty00123's Skyline: I was a bit frustrated with the stiffness of the springs as it never allowed the car to put it's weight down properly. Also, your quoted hp figure was 30hp down on what I got with a 50000km example and made your time quicker than it should've been, however, most areas of this car are underdone and need attention to. Using the BBC and softening the springs will help a lot. Also, your gearing was way out with the higher gears. I doubt you would beat the Touge Monster consistently with this car.
Snyp's Spec C: There is only 1 word to describe this car. INSANE!! This was too wild for most drivers who would dare take this car into their hands. I didn't know each time I drove it whether I was going to get a good line or get spat out into the wall. Not knowing the camber/toe angle/stabilisers didn't really help for that so default allround on those areas!! I was sideways for about 1/2 the run, and have saved the replay for future reference due to the quickness of the time. Would you win the Touge with this?? Yes. Would you survive the Touge with this?? Probably not.
Soprano's RS200: Now this was a nice piece of kit allround, and the only thing holding it back was the lack of power producing pretty lazy T1 splits for the power on board and the wing fitted. The braking and handling were very much up to par with the higher placed cars but the performance was lacking. Maybe Stage 3 would've been better on this, I'm not too sure, but in most other areas it performed admirably. However, it wouldn't beat the Touge Monster however in this form.
RJ's R32 Skyline: I was a bit disappointed with the handling, especially since you said this is a cornering machine. I was understeering through most of the track and felt like I should've been bouncing off the walls. And I got a LOT of sideways action when going WOT after the hairpin and the left hander. The gearing of the car were well spaced, and the acceleration was good but with no real urgency to it, just nice and linear. But against the other un-winged cars, this is about a notch or two off and against Touge monster, about the same amount off.
VTiRoj's Evo 8: I like this car in general. With the current specs it's not 100% perfect but it definitely gets the job done very consistently. While it handled better than the CZ-3, it's performance was worse than it, even though it was 50hp up on it and had a better power/weight ratio. The front LSD was my only real annoyance with it, it was just put on way too strong. By loosening the LSD a bit, it turned it into a Group N rally car. But even with the stiff LSD, it just has the performance to take out the Touge Monster.
mafia_boy's CZ-3: My car suffers from catch-22. Brilliant acceleration, but the acceleration affects the handling too much as it will understeer under full load from a low 11sec accelerating car. I focused a lot on the lower speed corners as that was what we were dealing with on most of them but high speed cornering suffered as a result. Only the LSD needs to be adjusted slightly aswell on this to get the same WRC drifting style that I managed with VTiRoj's. This car was consistently in the 36.3's in testing/review and would put the Touge Monster away due to it's sheer acceleration speed, nothing under 450hp power came close.
Nd4HoldenSpd's 3000GT SR: This was a fun tub of lard to chuck around. I had a 10.0km version which pushed the power to OVER the 400hp mark with same mods. But the fun part was with the handling. This thing was turning like it was on rails with great handling at all speeds, low/middle & high. I was very impressed overall. You could drive it sensibly, you could chuck it and you'd get very similar times to T1.
Would it beat the Touge Monster?? It will, only just in times, but in the hearts of most people, it would win in sensibility, an NA 6 vs TT 6.
Well deserved Bronze, but the other two raised the bar that little bit more.drifting24/7's Skyline: For something that has ONLY 420hp with that weight, the times it pulled out were quite amazing, keeping up with most cars with more power. Handling was spot on from the word go and while it was ahead of the rest of the field, if it had that extra 100hp, it would've competed with the eventual winner in my eyes. But alas, it was only destined to be infront of the Touge Monster by a little bit but it is to be a worthy Silver Medal taker.
Leonidae's Nismo: This was as close to perfection as I've driven on Citta thus far. The acceleration was phenomenal (10sec 1/4's), the turning was brilliant and not overdone, and barely a hint of wheelspin in all areas of the circuit. Anyone who has a basic grasp of Gran Turismo can get this car, tune it up and destroy nearly anything in sight, be it on this tight twisty track or against Zonda's around Tsukuba.
Great work Leo, and a worthy winner in my eyes on this occasion, your car is just streets ahead of the opposition.
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The chopping block is about right for my Skyline. It's good, but doesn't reinvent the wheel anywhere and I think the lack of downforce will make it pale in comparison to the competition.
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I'm waiting, Mafs....
Currently remedying a mistake I made on Roj's Evo... Changed the oil, so I'm driving it the 200 miles or so needed to drop the oil condition.
Currently remedying a mistake I made on Roj's Evo... Changed the oil, so I'm driving it the 200 miles or so needed to drop the oil condition.
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Just buy another Evo RJ, use the other one to win Capri, that'll cover the cost.
My Evo 8 doesnt have any downforce either, I'm expecting worse scores than the Accord really.
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I already killed the oil.
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AWD judging through my driving.
Touge Monster T1 time: 36.641
10th Place: Snyp's WRX STi Spec C
Score: 71/100
T1: 34.372
9th Place: VTiRoj's Evo VIII GSR MR
Score: 75/100
T1: 35.668
8th Place: ty00123's GT-R V-Spec N1 '99
Score: 78/100
T1: 35.456
7th Place: Soprano 3 1 3's RS200
Score: 84/100
T1: 37.520
Tied 4th Place: dimplz's Sirion X4
Score: 86/100
T1: 40.508
Tied 4th Place: mafia_boy's CZ-3
Score: 86/100
T1: 36.071
Tied 4th Place: nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT SR
Score: 86/100
T1: 36.337
3rd Place: Leonidae's NISMO S-Tune
Score: 91/100
T1: 34.618
2nd Place: Rotary Junkie's GT-R '89
Score: 92/100
T1: 36.775
1st Place: =drifting24/7='s Nissan GT-R V-Spec N1 '00
Score: 96/100
T1: 35.643
Touge Monster T1 time: 36.641
10th Place: Snyp's WRX STi Spec C
Score: 71/100
T1: 34.372
9th Place: VTiRoj's Evo VIII GSR MR
Score: 75/100
T1: 35.668
8th Place: ty00123's GT-R V-Spec N1 '99
Score: 78/100
T1: 35.456
7th Place: Soprano 3 1 3's RS200
Score: 84/100
T1: 37.520
Tied 4th Place: dimplz's Sirion X4
Score: 86/100
T1: 40.508
Tied 4th Place: mafia_boy's CZ-3
Score: 86/100
T1: 36.071
Tied 4th Place: nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT SR
Score: 86/100
T1: 36.337
3rd Place: Leonidae's NISMO S-Tune
Score: 91/100
T1: 34.618
2nd Place: Rotary Junkie's GT-R '89
Score: 92/100
T1: 36.775
1st Place: =drifting24/7='s Nissan GT-R V-Spec N1 '00
Score: 96/100
T1: 35.643
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Thanks to all participants for entering, I think this might be my last judgement for a while for time issues, but I'll try and keep up entries in the future. So without further ado, welcome to the TC Gala Awards
Nomination for Spot Race: Rotary Junkie's GT-R vs nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT
Nomination for Special Award: dimplz's Sirion for having absolutely superb AWD handling.
nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT Review
Brilliant turn-in that allows you to turn the car with the brakes with ease. Get that wrong or be on the wrong line and get a little bit of understeer. With the brakes the way they are and a little understeer on throttle it equals out to be very neutral handling. Smooth over bumps. Once you get used to the brakes it is a very decent and predictable ride, and all in a 3000GT! I love my car, don't get me wrong by the 4th place part. It has more character and I enjoy driving, but alas the others beat me this time.
Leonidae's NISMO Review
Brakes are very precise and controlled, so it has good turn-in. Handling is very neutral/good most of the time. At high speeds it can understeer a little, at lower speeds it will oversteer if you are not careful. The power has certainly been harnessed quite well, but compared to the others it is not the nicest or easiest to drive.
VTiRoj's Evo VIII Review
Good turn-in. Understeers at every corner. Even hints of wheelspin at places. Reasonable pace was not enough to make up for its relatively bad handling.
=drifting24/7='s GT-R '00 Review
Superb brakes and turn-in. No oversteer. Little to no understeer. Good grip at all times. Peppy sector time. Easy to drive. The complete package. All these reasons give it 1st place.
Soprano 3 1 3's RS200 Review
Good turn-in. Very good lateral grip. Can experience understeer when pushed hard through first corner and chicane. A bit on the slow side. Fairly easy to drive. Direct and responsive.
mafia_boy's CZ-3 Review
Lacks a bit of turn-in but is not horrible. Love the low speed handling and usability this car presents. Due to the lack of downforce (can't be helped, wing was not an option) and impressive accleration it has too much higher speed understeer to rank higher. IMO it has done the best it could do in this car.
ty00123's GT-R '99 Review
Good turn-in. Loads of understeer. Read the settings sheet and it becomes obvious why this car doesn't like bumps. Wouldn't say it is a bad car but it is poorly thought out. Better luck next time mate.
dimplz's Sirion Review
Simply awesome handling all round. Good turn-in. No understeer or oversteer. Great lateral grip. Shame about power and speed really. Super easy to use.
Rotary Junkie's4th place curse breaker GT-R '89 Review
Good brakes and turn-in. Very easy to use. No oversteer. Very little understeer. No wheelspin. Quite a pleasurable drive. And all with no downforce! This car is quite impressive.
Snyp's WRX Sti Spec C Review
Good turn-in. Handling is quite biased towards understeer. At hairpin though loads of wheelspin means big and hard to control oversteer. It is a quite difficult drive to say the least (but not as difficult as the BS that is driving a C6 Z06 in pro physics on GT5). I didn't enjoy this car much.
Nomination for Spot Race: Rotary Junkie's GT-R vs nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT
Nomination for Special Award: dimplz's Sirion for having absolutely superb AWD handling.
nd 4 holden spd's 3000GT Review
Brilliant turn-in that allows you to turn the car with the brakes with ease. Get that wrong or be on the wrong line and get a little bit of understeer. With the brakes the way they are and a little understeer on throttle it equals out to be very neutral handling. Smooth over bumps. Once you get used to the brakes it is a very decent and predictable ride, and all in a 3000GT! I love my car, don't get me wrong by the 4th place part. It has more character and I enjoy driving, but alas the others beat me this time.
Leonidae's NISMO Review
Brakes are very precise and controlled, so it has good turn-in. Handling is very neutral/good most of the time. At high speeds it can understeer a little, at lower speeds it will oversteer if you are not careful. The power has certainly been harnessed quite well, but compared to the others it is not the nicest or easiest to drive.
VTiRoj's Evo VIII Review
Good turn-in. Understeers at every corner. Even hints of wheelspin at places. Reasonable pace was not enough to make up for its relatively bad handling.
=drifting24/7='s GT-R '00 Review
Superb brakes and turn-in. No oversteer. Little to no understeer. Good grip at all times. Peppy sector time. Easy to drive. The complete package. All these reasons give it 1st place.
Soprano 3 1 3's RS200 Review
Good turn-in. Very good lateral grip. Can experience understeer when pushed hard through first corner and chicane. A bit on the slow side. Fairly easy to drive. Direct and responsive.
mafia_boy's CZ-3 Review
Lacks a bit of turn-in but is not horrible. Love the low speed handling and usability this car presents. Due to the lack of downforce (can't be helped, wing was not an option) and impressive accleration it has too much higher speed understeer to rank higher. IMO it has done the best it could do in this car.
ty00123's GT-R '99 Review
Good turn-in. Loads of understeer. Read the settings sheet and it becomes obvious why this car doesn't like bumps. Wouldn't say it is a bad car but it is poorly thought out. Better luck next time mate.
dimplz's Sirion Review
Simply awesome handling all round. Good turn-in. No understeer or oversteer. Great lateral grip. Shame about power and speed really. Super easy to use.
Rotary Junkie's
Good brakes and turn-in. Very easy to use. No oversteer. Very little understeer. No wheelspin. Quite a pleasurable drive. And all with no downforce! This car is quite impressive.
Snyp's WRX Sti Spec C Review
Good turn-in. Handling is quite biased towards understeer. At hairpin though loads of wheelspin means big and hard to control oversteer. It is a quite difficult drive to say the least (but not as difficult as the BS that is driving a C6 Z06 in pro physics on GT5
). I didn't enjoy this car much.
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My Evo did better than I expected. 
Didn't realise it was that quick though. Ah well. I should of kept the Audi if I knew the Evo was going to do this bad.
Funny how as it stands, me and Snyp, who had the 1st and 2nd fastest cars in TCv3 (I know the Garaiya was .1 off the NSX-R), managed 10th and 9th in 4WD scores.
Didn't realise it was that quick though. Ah well. I should of kept the Audi if I knew the Evo was going to do this bad.
Funny how as it stands, me and Snyp, who had the 1st and 2nd fastest cars in TCv3 (I know the Garaiya was .1 off the NSX-R), managed 10th and 9th in 4WD scores.
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