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Tesla Model S- P100D confirmed
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The look on the unassuming LaFerrari owner's face when he gets blasted by a guy with his whole family in the back of an SUV off of a stoplight. The sight is otherworldly.
The "3rd fastest car in the world" claim is quite too far fetched. A 0 - 60 time on basically the only production electiric car with high power output isnt exactly much of an achievement.
The Top Speed is bound with the electric system, which basically means it isnt good at any means.
The Top Speed is bound with the electric system, which basically means it isnt good at any means.
Why is until Tesla came around cars with nothing but 1/4 mile times weren't considered that good? I remember lots of muscle car jokes.
Are there any Tesla track times hanging around? I only remember one but that was years ago.
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http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/
So, at least two years ago the Tesla stops using for power at the 3 minute mark, apparently same thing happened earlier that year at Mazda Speedway.
Did they just improve the power or did they improve cooling as well?
Are there any Tesla track times hanging around? I only remember one but that was years ago.
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http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/
So, at least two years ago the Tesla stops using for power at the 3 minute mark, apparently same thing happened earlier that year at Mazda Speedway.
Did they just improve the power or did they improve cooling as well?
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CodeRedR51
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I was referring to Musk claim about the "Fastest car in the world" and even list all cars it can "beat". If he just said "fastest accelerating car", then I give him a pass.
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It's not fair to compare quickness and handling where one is meant to be. Tesla is made for roads and that's where it's better. Ferrari and Rimac would obliterate it on a track because they're track ready and if you watch videos on YouTube you will see lots of people having fun in them on Nordschleife.
At least we have simulation games and I don't think they lie.
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The point I am getting at is that the Tesla excels in ways that can be used in the real world (on public streets), not on a racetrack. Acceleration can be done just about anywhere, top speed not so much. That's why Tesla is pushing it's acceleration capabilities and not worrying about top speed.
Or maybe because Electric cars in general cant yield high speeds and also instant torque on start.
Basically everything is correct. But roads aren't meant for speed! Racetracks reveal much more potential! This is where Ferrari can unleash it's gallop! Ferrari would rape Tesla on any racetrack. It's much faster and more stable. You may see mules at tracks being tested. Just because Tesla is faster off the roadlights doesn't mean that it could beat a Ferrari on a true performance test. It's basically wierd to immediately conclude that Tesla is also faster car overally just because of its acc and
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Roads for everyday use. Not racetracks.
Now I wonder how do the Teslas perform off-road.
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A P90D will do 155mph. That's not quite supercar-like but I suspect it's high enough for most.
This whole road/track/strip discussion is ridiculous though. I'm not a Tesla apologist by any stretch and Tesla's official wording (later parroted throughout the press) that it makes the world's "fastest" car is technically incorrect - what it meant to say was "quickest". And even then it's incorrect, because it was comparing 0-60mph figures with 0-62mph ones that others quote.
...but regardless, it's still jolly quick for 2.1 tons of five/seven-seat fastback and a remarkable achievement in and of itself. As is a 300+ mile range.
I've driven a lot of cars that many would consider Model S "competitors" by one metric or another - from Panameras to 7-series to E63 AMGs. The performance of any of those cars on a track is largely irrelevant. Full-bore standing start acceleration is largely irrelevant too for most, but it's an easier metric to understand since as @R1600Turbo notes, acceleration is something you get to use more regularly on the street than either top speed or ultimate grip limits.
And all other things being equal, I'm not sure I'd pick any of the aforementioned cars over a Tesla, if I had the money. All are quick, but none are sports cars (if I wanted a "proper" sports car, I'd not buy a two-ton sedan, regardless of the badge) and things the Model S does very well - like being uncannily smooth, responsive and relaxing - it does better than any of its apparent competitors. The closest I've experienced to Model S levels of refinement is in a Rolls-Royce Ghost. Nicer interior admittedly (considerably so), but also twice the price. And ultimately it's combustion-engined, so neither as responsive nor as smooth.
TL;DR - Tesla Model S. Not as perfect as the Tesla fanboys claim, but still deeply impressive in a great many ways.
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The beginning of the Hellcat vs P85D video explains the difference between a quick car and a fast car.
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Let me explain. If you put a petrol car and electric car with similar HP and weight on a long drag race, an electric car will always win due to the instant torque. However on mid to high speed the electric car wouldn't keep up with the petrol ones.
155MPH is actually what i expected from the Model S. Its not terrible, but compared to the similarly HP and weight non full electric car?
Again, not Tesla fault. Its the nature of the electric car overall.
155MPH is actually what i expected from the Model S. Its not terrible, but compared to the similarly HP and weight non full electric car?
Again, not Tesla fault. Its the nature of the electric car overall.
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I thought Tesla's were limited to 155mph for safety reasons due to the batteries getting extremely hot when they have to push the vehicle to these speeds?
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And not even that, as I pointed out a few posts back. The P100D's 0-62mph time is 2.7 seconds, which is a tenth slower than a 918 Spyder and the same as a Nissan GT-R, on paper at least. Cheekily, Tesla was comparing its 0-60mph time with other cars' 0-100km/h (0-62mph) times.
Not that any of it is relevant for most people of course, but it does mean Tesla was inaccurate on two fronts (as were all the outlets that repeated their claims).
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It's also slower than the Veyron (2.5), Chiron (2.4), 911 Turbo S (2.6). Again, pointless comparison, but still.
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Caught up with a 458 on an A road, coming back from the golf club a few weeks back in my brother-in-laws P90D... had no problems keeping up with him well in to license losing speeds when he thought he'd try and lose the oversized Mondeo sat behind him 
They aren't just about standing starts - mid range is epic too.
They aren't just about standing starts - mid range is epic too.
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Forgot about the Turbo S, but I think Tesla was being very specific about cars available right here and now. The Veyron is off-sale and the Chiron not yet on-sale, so it's not quite as cheeky as it seems.
And @Stotty is right. One of the big joys of the Model S is how you can be doing say 50 and plant your foot, and for it to take off pretty much as quickly as it does from a standstill. No hunting for gears, no waiting for the car to hit its power band. It's more akin to being in a very powerful turbocharged car right in the middle of its peak torque range, getting that surge, but not having to change up and do it all again afterwards. And with better response to the accelerator too.
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