TGT or CSL

[Twstcrv]

I have now owned and driven both. My comments are not intended to bash any product line. I am over my disappointment with thrustmaster. It was asked that after I sent my tgt back and ordered the csl I would post my experience, so here it is.

I have now owned and driven both prob more than all the reviews you have seen. My comments before were based strictly on price and out of the box build quality.
I have logged a full week on the csl now and two weeks on the tgt which is about 15 hrs of driving per week. I think the on center issue being reported w the csl is happening with high ffb settings because I am just starting to notice it since I like ffb low. Aside from reliability issues (which only time will tell on BOTH products) this wheel (csl) is way better for me. The adjustability of the wheel AND brake settings FROM THE WHEEL ITSELF are amazing and produce INSTANT results without exiting the car in ANY game. I completely understand the comments made about plug and play and how, for some, this is a huge PITA because now you have wheel AND game settings and you may feel like its never quite right. I set basic game menu settings then tweak them (like brake and wheel sensitivity) on the wheel while driving practice laps. The results for me have been huge in lap times, consistency, and enjoyment. For those still deciding on one of these wheels you should know that the big differences in these wheels isnt alcantra and wheel base lettering. Its like the difference between Hondas and BMWs. Hondas can be fun but they are mostly known for very low maintenance. BMWs are more fun to drive but you have to live with their quirky things that require a little more attention.

 

[PocketZeven]

I have now owned and driven both prob more than all the reviews you have seen. My comments before were based strictly on price and out of the box build quality.
I have logged a full week on the csl now and two weeks on the tgt which is about 15 hrs of driving per week. I think the on center issue being reported w the csl is happening with high ffb settings because I am just starting to notice it since I like ffb low. Aside from reliability issues (which only time will tell on BOTH products) this wheel (csl) is way better for me. The adjustability of the wheel AND brake settings FROM THE WHEEL ITSELF are amazing and produce INSTANT results without exiting the car in ANY game. I completely understand the comments made about plug and play and how, for some, this is a huge PITA because now you have wheel AND game settings and you may feel like its never quite right. I set basic game menu settings then tweak them (like brake and wheel sensitivity) on the wheel while driving practice laps. The results for me have been huge in lap times, consistency, and enjoyment. For those still deciding on one of these wheels you should know that the big differences in these wheels isnt alcantra and wheel base lettering. Its like the difference between Hondas and BMWs. Hondas can be fun but they are mostly known for very low maintenance. BMWs are more fun to drive but you have to live with their quirky things that require a little more attention.

Thanks for the impressions! I’m glad your frustration with thrustmaster is gone now! Hopefully this post will answer some questions (like me) for people who are still in the market for one of these wheels.

So no issues with compatibility for you personally? That was the biggest problem for me personally that made my decision to go for T-GT. Do you notice any significant difference in ffb delivered?

 

[KimiRaikkonen]

I still have both of them, and I will keep it both.

If someone want to jump from 0 into simracing on PS4, the Fanatec bundle with the LC Pedal (loadcell brake) is the the choice.

Another story if someone is already racing and has the CPX and loadcell brake. While the CSL wheel base is better built and smoothest, it is just flat in the feedback that give in games like PJC2 or GT Sport on PS4.At the moment the T-GT wheel base give better compatibilità with games, and better information and feedback, such as the feeling of the track, kerbs, understeer or oversteer. Plus if you mainly play GT Sport the Sport mode on the T-GT is superior.

I am quite confidente that the CSL will be implented like it is on PC for PS4, but at the moment the best setup for PS4 is a T-GT with the Ferrari Evo and Fanatec pedals loadcell. This is just my opinion after years of playing with wheels. I still own the G29 just for fun.

 

[Twstcrv]

Thanks for the impressions! I’m glad your frustration with thrustmaster is gone now! Hopefully this post will answer some questions (like me) for people who are still in the market for one of these wheels.

So no issues with compatibility for you personally? That was the biggest problem for me personally that made my decision to go for T-GT. Do you notice any significant difference in ffb delivered?

I was pretty mad! Mostly at the hassle and waiting involved the switch. Definitely over it now.
No issues with compatibility for me. But that depends on your definition. I just require that I can map buttons and drive well. Some think if there isnt a picture of your wheel in the menu of a game its not “supported”. I don’t get that. If gt sport has a picture of a logitec wheel but r1, r2, triangle, etc are on that picture and mappable thats all I need. TGT has a great picture in the menu but half the buttons (the best ones imo) were unmappable even in gts. Not even a picture in other games. If by compatibilty you mean how the wheel works, then I can say I have seen no issues with gts, pc2, or assetto. They all do require tweaking of settings which so far I have been doing mostly on the wheel. Overall I think the csl is MORE compatible for those reasons. Im not the right guy to ask about ffb unfortunately. I keep it quite low, which is why as stated earlier, I dont notice the on center issue others have mentioned (which might also partially answer your compatibilty question) The wheel is bigger, which means it has to work harder to give you the same effect, so if ffb is really important to you, the smaller wheel of the tgt is probably better. I like the bigger wheel personally since quality of control is way more important to me than ffb.

I still have both of them, and I will keep it both.

If someone want to jump from 0 into simracing on PS4, the Fanatec bundle with the LC Pedal (loadcell brake) is the the choice.

Another story if someone is already racing and has the CPX and loadcell brake. While the CSL wheel base is better built and smoothest, it is just flat in the feedback that give in games like PJC2 or GT Sport on PS4.At the moment the T-GT wheel base give better compatibilità with games, and better information and feedback, such as the feeling of the track, kerbs, understeer or oversteer. Plus if you mainly play GT Sport the Sport mode on the T-GT is superior.

I am quite confidente that the CSL will be implented like it is on PC for PS4, but at the moment the best setup for PS4 is a T-GT with the Ferrari Evo and Fanatec pedals loadcell. This is just my opinion after years of playing with wheels. I still own the G29 just for fun.

If 20 years of racing gran turismo on a controller doesnt count as sim racing, then I am that guy! You are are absolutely right. If I could have purchased a cpx, I would have kept my tgt! But now seeing the extra adjustability of the csl wheel and brake set, and me personally not caring about ffb details I am really glad I went to the trouble of switching.

 

[Marky264]

I'm still not over the fact that I purchased 2 x T-GT's on GT Sport Launch Week, Both having faulty T3PGT Pedal Sets. Both having to wait nearly a month in £1400 in Refunds before I could try and attempt to purchase another Wheel. It's completely ruined the trust I have in the Brand and I can't help but look badly at them for this as I when I reached out to them for support over Social Media on both Twitter & Facebook and also over the phone I was ignored. (Copy & Paste Reply over the Phone) Made me sick that I could shell out over £700 for a Product which is brand new to them for them to have no alertness of fixing it for me straight away made me furious.

I know I'm not alone in feeling this as another GTPlanet user @thefraggle experienced exactly the same around the GT Launch and to this Date I'm still Wheel'less as I bought a T300 Alcantara Edition which also had to be sent back as the right Paddle Shifter was faulty. I'm done with TM as I never received a personalised reply despite me reaching out on so many occasions. The T500RS Will go down in being one of the most reliable wheels. But I genuinely shouldn't have to feel like I have to go back in time to 2011 to have a Wheel optimised for the PS3 & Barely PS4 Compatible It's hardly future proof for all the money I'd be shelling out.

I'm personally waiting It out till PD make the Fanatec CSL Elite Fully Supported within Game (rumoured by the end of December?) @Fanatec... & Then at that point I will bite their hand off especially with that beautiful McLaren GT3 Rim that's arriving in February.

Thrustmaster is the Brand I want to love, They make some awesome products (599XX Rim, Sparco R383 Rim & Even that New 250 GTO but for me as a person who has gone through over 7 Thrustmaster Wheels in the space of Two Years It's Just unacceptable.

(2 x T300RS GT Editions (GT Sport Closed Beta over 2 Weeks), 2 x T300RS Alcantara Editions, 2 x T-GT's (GT Sport Launch over 2 Weeks) & Last but not least the T500RS which was Rock Solid & Only got rid of It to trade up to the T-GT.

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm still not over the fact that I purchased 2 x T-GT's on GT Sport Launch Week, Both having faulty T3PGT Pedal Sets. Both having to wait nearly a month in £1400 in Refunds before I could try and attempt to purchase another Wheel. It's completely ruined the trust I have in the Brand and I can't help but look badly at them for this as I when I reached out to them for support over Social Media on both Twitter & Facebook and also over the phone I was ignored. (Copy & Paste Reply over the Phone) Made me sick that I could shell out over £700 for a Product which is brand new to them for them to have no alertness of fixing it for me straight away made me furious.

I know I'm not alone in feeling this as another GTPlanet user @thefraggle experienced exactly the same around the GT Launch and to this Date I'm still Wheel'less as I bought a T300 Alcantara Edition which also had to be sent back as the right Paddle Shifter was faulty. I'm done with TM as I never received a personalised reply despite me reaching out on so many occasions. The T500RS Will go down in being one of the most reliable wheels. But I genuinely shouldn't have to feel like I have to go back in time to 2011 to have a Wheel optimised for the PS3 & Barely PS4 Compatible It's hardly future proof for all the money I'd be shelling out.

I'm personally waiting It out till PD make the Fanatec CSL Elite Fully Supported within Game (rumoured by the end of December?) @Fanatec... & Then at that point I will bite their hand off especially with that beautiful McLaren GT3 Rim that's arriving in February.

Thrustmaster is the Brand I want to love, They make some awesome products (599XX Rim, Sparco R383 Rim & Even that New 250 GTO but for me as a person who has gone through over 7 Thrustmaster Wheels in the space of Two Years It's Just unacceptable.

(2 x T300RS GT Editions (GT Sport Closed Beta over 2 Weeks), 2 x T300RS Alcantara Editions, 2 x T-GT's (GT Sport Launch over 2 Weeks) & Last but not least the T500RS which was Rock Solid & Only got rid of It to trade up to the T-GT.

That’s real bad luck. If you want reliability and compatibility the G29 can’t be beat. But why not get the Csl now? It has compatibility mode till patches are released.

My T-GT has no issues at all.

 

[Twstcrv]

I'm still not over the fact that I purchased 2 x T-GT's on GT Sport Launch Week, Both having faulty T3PGT Pedal Sets. Both having to wait nearly a month in £1400 in Refunds before I could try and attempt to purchase another Wheel. It's completely ruined the trust I have in the Brand and I can't help but look badly at them for this as I when I reached out to them for support over Social Media on both Twitter & Facebook and also over the phone I was ignored. (Copy & Paste Reply over the Phone) Made me sick that I could shell out over £700 for a Product which is brand new to them for them to have no alertness of fixing it for me straight away made me furious.

I know I'm not alone in feeling this as another GTPlanet user @thefraggle experienced exactly the same around the GT Launch and to this Date I'm still Wheel'less as I bought a T300 Alcantara Edition which also had to be sent back as the right Paddle Shifter was faulty. I'm done with TM as I never received a personalised reply despite me reaching out on so many occasions. The T500RS Will go down in being one of the most reliable wheels. But I genuinely shouldn't have to feel like I have to go back in time to 2011 to have a Wheel optimised for the PS3 & Barely PS4 Compatible It's hardly future proof for all the money I'd be shelling out.

I'm personally waiting It out till PD make the Fanatec CSL Elite Fully Supported within Game (rumoured by the end of December?) @Fanatec... & Then at that point I will bite their hand off especially with that beautiful McLaren GT3 Rim that's arriving in February.

Thrustmaster is the Brand I want to love, They make some awesome products (599XX Rim, Sparco R383 Rim & Even that New 250 GTO but for me as a person who has gone through over 7 Thrustmaster Wheels in the space of Two Years It's Just unacceptable.

(2 x T300RS GT Editions (GT Sport Closed Beta over 2 Weeks), 2 x T300RS Alcantara Editions, 2 x T-GT's (GT Sport Launch over 2 Weeks) & Last but not least the T500RS which was Rock Solid & Only got rid of It to trade up to the T-GT.

You have had more than your fair share of build quality issues with tm. My tgt worked ok, but now that I have had both I think the csl has better compatibility across the three biggest ps4 games than the tgt. The tgt worked no better for me in gt sport than the csl. Thats mainly because my priorities are control, adjustability, and a higher quality brake set with load cell. A bundle which, including the load cell add on, was 150.00 usd less.

 

[PocketZeven]

You have had more than your fair share of build quality issues with tm. My tgt worked ok, but now that I have had both I think the csl has better compatibility across the three biggest ps4 games than the tgt. The tgt worked no better for me in gt sport than the csl. Thats mainly because my priorities are control, adjustability, and a higher quality brake set with load cell. A bundle which, including the load cell add on, was 150.00 usd less.

Really interested in a load cell brake, although I have got used to the pedals by now and brake consistently. I had another question, is the base is any louder or quieter then your previous wheel?

 

[Twstcrv]

Not entirely accurate about compatibility but I understand what you mean. Really interested in a load cell brake, although I have got used to the pedals by now and brake consistently. I had another question, is the base is any louder or quieter then your previous wheel?

The csl base is quieter than the tgt, and the pedals are way quieter since they are not housed in a plastic box. When the wheels do their self calibration its most noticeable. HAVING OWNED AND USED BOTH I really think these (mostly rumors) about csl “compatibility” are a combination of OUTDATED issues and people like you who have never owned one perpetuating them. Having only owned the most recent version, I have had no compatibility issues. The almost imperceptible on center issue of the csl is LESS noticeable to me than the constant notchy on center feel of the tgt. The only advantage the tgt has in gts is a nice picture of your wheel in the options menu and fancy special effects which I realize some kids might be excited about but to me are poorly applied and dont help me drive better. My driving in ALL THREE games improved significantly after getting the csl, mostly because of the in car adjustability, but for other reasons which are harder to explain, like wheel diameter and smoothness. Also a HUGE factor in fine control of the wheel is sensitivity. Not only is this setting completely buried in gts, which makes the csl sens. adj almost a necessity, but it only has 7 points of adjustment vs csl 108! Now please explain why my comment about compatibility is “inaccurate”.

 

[KimiRaikkonen]

The csl base is quieter than the tgt, and the pedals are way quieter since they are not housed in a plastic box. When the wheels do their self calibration its most noticeable. HAVING OWNED AND USED BOTH I really think these (mostly rumors) about csl “compatibility” are a combination of OUTDATED issues and people like you who have never owned one perpetuating them. The almost imperceptible on center issue of the csl is LESS noticeable to me than the constant notchy on center feel of the tgt. The only advantage the tgt has in gts is a nice picture of your wheel in the options menu and fancy special effects which I realize some kids might be excited about but to me are poorly applied and dont help me drive better. My driving in ALL THREE games improved significantly after getting the csl, mostly because of the in car adjustability, but for other reasons which are harder to explain, like wheel diameter and smoothness.

Your drive improved because of the pedals set.

I can set the same laptimes with almost any wheel base as long as I keep my V3

 

[Twstcrv]

Your drive improved because of the pedals set.

I can set the same laptimes with almost any wheel base as long as I keep my V3

You are right. Its the main reason I started over because there are currently no cpxs available. Sorry I edited since your reply, and added something that had just occured to me about sensitivity, among other things, that made a big difference also. Finer control of sensitivity has allowed me to dial in how each car not only induces, but responds to oversteer. I find myself now changing it quite often depending on the car, and usually only a few percent makes a difference. The combination of gts poor menu adjustment and no adjustment on tgt did not allow me to do that and I clearly remember the futile excercise of drilling in and out of the menu w the tgt only to realize now that there wasnt enough control in the menu. Now I just leave the menu on 3 and tweak the wheel which gives instantaneous and noticeable results. I realize this is a menu issue and not a wheel issue. It is relevant here because csl has this important feature which fixes it or forgives it, if you will. I will take this over a nice picture of my wheel in the menu any day when we are talking about “compatibility”.

 

[PocketZeven]

The csl base is quieter than the tgt, and the pedals are way quieter since they are not housed in a plastic box. When the wheels do their self calibration its most noticeable. HAVING OWNED AND USED BOTH I really think these (mostly rumors) about csl “compatibility” are a combination of OUTDATED issues and people like you who have never owned one perpetuating them. Having only owned the most recent version, I have had no compatibility issues. The almost imperceptible on center issue of the csl is LESS noticeable to me than the constant notchy on center feel of the tgt. The only advantage the tgt has in gts is a nice picture of your wheel in the options menu and fancy special effects which I realize some kids might be excited about but to me are poorly applied and dont help me drive better. My driving in ALL THREE games improved significantly after getting the csl, mostly because of the in car adjustability, but for other reasons which are harder to explain, like wheel diameter and smoothness. Also a HUGE factor in fine control of the wheel is sensitivity. Not only is this setting completely buried in gts, which makes the csl sens. adj almost a necessity, but it only has 7 points of adjustment vs csl 108! Now please explain why my comment about compatibility is “inaccurate”.

My apologies I didn’t meant to offend or discredit your statement. In my understanding polyphony is still working on compatibility as stated on the Fanatec website and on this forum. A point @Marky264 was referring to.

That’s real bad luck. If you want reliability and compatibility the G29 can’t be beat. But why not get the Csl now? It has compatibility mode till patches are released.

My T-GT has no issues at all.

I also stated above that should not keep him from buying a CSL right now.
Is the wheel sensitivity settings the degrees of rotation? I believe most games handle that in game automatically to be 1:1?
I have driven a wheel since dfgt with GT5 and upgrading to G29 and now T-GT and it hasn’t made myself any faster and actually slower (innitially) Because I needed to get used to the feel of each wheel. But I think that is something personal and doesn’t mean it won’t for others.

 

[Twstcrv]

My apologies I didn’t meant to offend or discredit your statement. In my understanding polyphony is still working on compatibility as stated on the Fanatec website and on this forum. A point @Marky264 was referring to.


I also stated above that should not keep him from buying a CSL right now.
Is the wheel sensitivity settings the degrees of rotation? I believe most games handle that in game automatically to be 1:1?
I have driven a wheel since dfgt with GT5 and upgrading to G29 and now T-GT and it hasn’t made myself any faster and actually slower (innitially) Because I needed to get used to the feel of each wheel. But I think that is something personal and doesn’t mean it won’t for others.

Here we go again with the perception of feelings. No apology is necessary. My assessment of csl compatibility is based on my experience with it not on a “mode” or “what was stated”. Please stop repeating negative stuff about something based on semantics and rumors which you have no actual experience with. A products compatibilty with something should be based on its ease of use and how it actually works with it, not whether it has its picture in the menu. Using the logitech picture to map the buttons does not reduce the ability to map buttons which are labeled the same. If someone really likes to fight the wheel probably way more than they would in a real car, then as I have stated, the on center issue might be a compatibility factor in gts, but I have not had this issue in any noticeable way with my wheel. The bottom line is that, and this may come as a shock to those that believe all the marketing bs about “compatibility”, I found the csl easier to use AND drive in gts than the tgt, even though all tm s marketing bombarded us with how it was specifically designed for it.

 

[PocketZeven]

Here we go again with the perception of feelings. No apology is necessary. My assessment of csl compatibility is based on my experience with it not on a “mode” or “what was stated”. Please stop repeating negative stuff about something based on semantics and rumors which you have no actual experience with. A products compatibilty with something should be based on its ease of use and how it actually works with it, not whether it has its picture in the menu. Using the logitech picture to map the buttons does not reduce the ability to map buttons which are labeled the same. If someone really likes to fight the wheel probably way more than they would in a real car, then as I have stated, the on center issue might be a compatibility factor.

Please point out where I am negative? I do need to apologize if I sounded negative. My intent was to remind you that the official Fanatec sdk has not been implemented yet, but will be in the near future. Not how it actually works in game. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work well right now as I was telling @Marky264. He shouldn’t wait to buy the csl as it works right now and the sdk will be implemented soon.

Don’t like going back and forth again since we left it at a good place. But I think there is a misunderstanding here. And let me know which part I need to edit if it is inaccurate, negative semantics or rumors.

 

[Twstcrv]

Please point out where I am negative? I do need to apologize if I sounded negative. My intent was to remind you that the official Fanatec sdk has not been implemented yet, but will be in the near future. Not how it actually works in game. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work well right now as I was telling @Marky264. He shouldn’t wait to buy the csl as it works right now and the sdk will be implemented soon.

Don’t like going back and forth again since we left it at a good place. But I think there is a misunderstanding here. And let me know which part I need to edit if it is inaccurate, negative semantics or rumors.

Please stop with the you said, I said, adjectives and pronoun interpretation. I will not explain myself any further. Go back and read the original post about more compatibility across all three and about you questioning the accuracy of that statement.

Your next post will read: “Where did I question something?”

 

[PocketZeven]

Your next post will read: “Where did I question something?”

I edited my post about the inaccuracy. I really didn’t mean to offend. I have already been accused of a lot in this forum. So I will tread lightly from now on!

I just checked and changing sensitivity is changing the degrees of rotation. Which will change the wheel lock in game. It is recommended to leave this on auto/off because the game will change these settings automatically.

 

[SeerreuS]

I have to say after holding the fanatic hardware in my hands the build quality is superior to TM. There is no way Fanatic can continue to sell at this price point, they will be increasing the prices just like good stock goes up. The T-GT is a good wheel at 500$, 800$ is way to much. With Fanatic being officially licensed by PlayStation, they are just scratching the surface. V3i's came early.

 

[Twstcrv]

I edited my post about the inaccuracy. I really didn’t mean to offend. I have already been accused of a lot in this forum. So I will tread lightly from now on!

I just checked and changing sensitivity is changing the degrees of rotation. Which will change the wheel lock in game. It is recommended by Fanatec to leave this on auto/off because the game will change these settings automatically.

I have adjusted this setting on my wheel with great results in gts and other games. Now you are posting user manual recommendations about a product you do not own. Also I have read this section and that is not what it says at all. Its kind of crazy and prob why others have questioned your motives in these threads.

 

[PocketZeven]

I have adjusted this setting on my wheel with great results in gts and other games. Now you are posting user manual recommendations about a product you do not own. Also I have read this section and that is not what it says at all. Its kind of crazy and prob why others have questioned your motives in these threads.

I’ve read the manual multiple times. I don’t know why you keep picking on me. I’m only trying to help and contribute. I also have 7 years experience with wheels.

 

[Twstcrv]

I’ve read the manual multiple times. I don’t know why you keep picking on me. I’m only trying to help and contribute. I also have 7 years experience with wheels.

Your post, which is a complete misinterpretation of what the manual actually says, and based on no actual experience with the csl, suggests not using what I have found to be one of the wheels most useful features! How is that helpful?!

 

[SeerreuS]

V3I

 

[Marky264]

You have had more than your fair share of build quality issues with tm. My tgt worked ok, but now that I have had both I think the csl has better compatibility across the three biggest ps4 games than the tgt. The tgt worked no better for me in gt sport than the csl. Thats mainly because my priorities are control, adjustability, and a higher quality brake set with load cell. A bundle which, including the load cell add on, was 150.00 usd less.

Sadly I waited too long and Amazon UK have now gone out of Stock of the Bundle and currently says It's Unavailable to Order. Soon as It's back up I will be Ordering the CSL Elite as I have a bunch of Amazon Gift Cards to use up! The ossolation put me off from what I read After 1.05 Update but reading peoples comments there's ways to make It much more manageable. I'm desperate for getting back Into racing on a Wheel. My Views on TM still stand I'll continue to be very unhappy with them Until someone actually cared about the Multiple issues I've suffered. Some people can last years without an issue like my friend with his T500RS It's been solid for 3 Years & was built well from the start. But after @thefraggle Suffered issues with his T-GT at the same time as me is no coincidence. Some get away through QC better than others and those that do are Just lucky.

 

[PocketZeven]

Your post, which is a complete misinterpretation of what the manual actually says, and based on no actual experience with the csl, suggests not using what I have found to be one of the wheels most useful features! How is that helpful?!

I didn’t say I got it directly from the manual. I wrote that I found in the manual the sensitivity setting change the wheels degrees of rotation! From 90 degrees to 1080.
I’ve done being polite! GT sport and PCars 2 change the rotation of the wheel automatically. The csl wheel works in G29 mode. So if you want 1:1 accuracy you leave it on auto/off. You are really a bitter person and paranoid by reading into things that are not there. I was stating facts and not my opinion about the sen settings and how the games handle the wheels rotation! If you don’t like to drive it 1:1 that is your own free choice! Jesus H Christ leave it alone already!!!!

 

[Twstcrv]

V3I

Now that is the kind of brake set that should come with a mid entry wheel for 800 bucks!

I didn’t say I got it directly from the manual. I wrote that I found in the manual the sensitivity setting change the wheels degrees of rotation! From 90 degrees to 1080.
I’ve done being polite! GT sport and PCars 2 change the rotation of the wheel automatically. The csl wheel works in G29 mode. So if you want 1:1 accuracy you leave it on auto/off. You are really a bitter person and paranoid by reading into things that are not there. I was stating facts and not my opinion about the sen settings and how the games handle the wheels rotation! If you don’t like to drive it 1:1 that is your own free choice! Jesus H Christ leave it alone already!!!!

This entire post is more deflection and distraction and throws in a personal insult. The whole point of any sensitivity setting is to deviate from 1:1. So your entire post, like many others, is nonsense. When you cherry pick “facts” from a manual and dont include the whole section, you present a completely inaccurate message, which is exactly what you did. You started in this thread by asking innocent questions then gradually digressed by arguing valid observations I have made with something you misinterpreted in the manual. Then you act like its somehow my fault. If you havent used something you should refrain from making uninformed statements about it. Im telling you how it works and you are arguing with how you think it should work based on something you misread and misstated.

 

[PocketZeven]

This entire post is more deflection and distraction and throws in a personal insult. The whole point of any sensitivity setting is to deviate from 1:1. So your entire post, like many others, is nonsense. When you cherry pick “facts” from a manual and dont include the whole section, you present a completely inaccurate message, which is exactly what you did. You started by asking questions then gradually started arguing valid observations I have made with something you misinterpreted in the manual. Then you act like its somehow my fault. If you havent used something you should refrain from making uninformed statements about it.

Because on pc both the g29, Dfgt and tgthave sensitivity settings/degrees of rotation settings!!! I’m not cherry picking nor did I judge you or others. What are you reading in my posts, I can’t seem to see??? I’m am 100% neutral about these settings for any wheel! I was never claiming you were wrong at all!

Edit: I see what you did there, thanks for the edit!

 

[Twstcrv]

I edited my post about the inaccuracy. I really didn’t mean to offend. I have already been accused of a lot in this forum. So I will tread lightly from now on!

I just checked and changing sensitivity is changing the degrees of rotation. Which will change the wheel lock in game. It is recommended to leave this on auto/off because the game will change these settings automatically.

Because on pc both the g29, Dfgt and tgthave sensitivity settings/degrees of rotation settings!!! I’m not cherry picking nor did I judge you or others. What are you reading in my posts, I can’t seem to see??? I’m am 100% neutral about these settings for any wheel! I was never claiming you were wrong at all!

The manual doesnt “recommend” any such thing for ps4 or gts specifically. So your post suggests not using it at all by putting it in off/auto which is NOT what the manual says. You can say what you want, but this is a direct rebuttal of my observation that using this has been a very useful feature for me in gts. So stop saying you didnt do/say these things because you did, and they are basically wrong.

 

[PocketZeven]

The manual doesnt “recommend” any such thing for ps4 or gts specifically. So your post suggests not using it at all by putting it in off/auto which is NOT what the manual says. You can say what you want, but this is a direct rebuttal of my observation that using this has been a very useful feature for me in gts. So stop saying you didnt do/say these things because you did, and they are basically wrong.

Where did you learn to read. I did not say I got the recommendation from the manual.

 

[Twstcrv]

Because on pc both the g29, Dfgt and tgthave sensitivity settings/degrees of rotation settings!!! I’m not cherry picking nor did I judge you or others. What are you reading in my posts, I can’t seem to see??? I’m am 100% neutral about these settings for any wheel! I was never claiming you were wrong at all!

Congratulations! You have made another thread about csl unreadable with your ridiculous circular arguments. Im sure that qualifies as “being helpful” to someone at tm. Neutral. Lol!

 

[PocketZeven]

Congratulations! You have made another thread about csl unreadable with your ridiculous circular arguments. Im sure that qualifies as “being helpful” to someone at tm. Neutral. Lol!

Dont be paranoid dude... I have no affiliation with any company but my own.

 

[Twstcrv]

Where did you learn to read. I did not say I got the recommendation from the manual.

No, you just said “I just checked” then you said “it is recommended” would you like me to quote your entire post again? Congratulations once again for sucking me in to this ridiculous banter.

Dont be paranoid dude... I have no affiliation with any company but my own.

Its not paranoia if its true!