The 2018 US Mid-Term Elections Thread

I don't support bans on abortions, but even I understand the argument isn't just a religious one.

Alabama's other amendment proposal to require people to display the Ten Commandments in every state owned building sounds like a purely religious issue, though.

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Supporters argue that the measure would send a message about Alabamians; values, and specifically ones related to Christianity, with at least one advocate claiming the displays could increase safety in schools.

Perhaps he or she's expecting fewer schoolkids to kill each other (or covet each other's asses).

[EDIT] Alabama Political Reporter: Senator says Ten Commandments in public schools could potentially prevent school shootings
 
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Fivethirtyeight polls seem spot on (because they poll smaller towns I’m guessing), Hillary winning the popular vote & Trump having a good chance on getting the participation trophy.

I’m glad I didn’t vote for Hillary & I don’t care for thin skins like Trump, not worth my time.

Only ballot worth voting on was the referendum in Milwaukee county (legalization of cannabis)

I have a feeling that was the reason Trump eventually one. At the time he was the lesser of 2 evils or a lot of democrats just didnt vote? It is just too bad that americans just dont have more choice in the presidential election. I am not american, but are there more moderate candidates in the midterm elections? Meaning that the candidates are not defined by polarized party values, but more of the region or their own?
 
Alabama's other amendment proposal to require people to display the Ten Commandments in every state owned building sounds like a purely religious issue, though.



Perhaps he or she's expecting fewer schoolkids to kill each other (or covet each other's asses).

[EDIT] Alabama Political Reporter: Senator says Ten Commandments in public schools could potentially prevent school shootings

Yeah thanks for bringing up the other ridiculous amendment they're trying to pass. I had forgotten about it or I guess I had subconsciously tried to put it out of my memory.

I'm just afraid that these two obnoxious measures if passed would be the start of a whole host of repeals and regulations that the religious right would try to get passed in this state. Next they could go after Sunday alcohol sales, bringing back Blue Laws which said businesses couldn't open on Sundays, bans on interracial marriages, who knows what they will do next all under the guise of "doing what the Lord told them to do".

This is still a state that has "wet" counties and "dry" counties meaning wet counties have alcohol sales and dry counties don't. I know the right is trying to take us back to the good ole days in the 50's, I just wish it wasn't the 1850's.
 
I have a feeling that was the reason Trump eventually one. At the time he was the lesser of 2 evils or a lot of democrats just didnt vote? It is just too bad that americans just dont have more choice in the presidential election. I am not american, but are there more moderate candidates in the midterm elections? Meaning that the candidates are not defined by polarized party values, but more of the region or their own?
We do. You can technically write in and vote for whoever you want. Unofficial candidate write-ins (like Harambe) are cast as non-votes, however.

The problem is the Libertarian & the Green Party are just too far back to overcome the main 2. As for who didn't vote, I believe reports indicated nearly half of all eligible voters chose not to in 2016.
 
I have a feeling that was the reason Trump eventually one. At the time he was the lesser of 2 evils or a lot of democrats just didnt vote? It is just too bad that americans just dont have more choice in the presidential election. I am not american, but are there more moderate candidates in the midterm elections? Meaning that the candidates are not defined by polarized party values, but more of the region or their own?

I vote Libertarian in most elections. Even if they probably won't win, at least I can say I cast my vote for a someone that believes in the same thing I do. I used to vote for the lesser of two evils, but that feels like throwing my vote away since Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same (with minor differences) and both pretty terrible at representing the Constitution.

Unfortunately, many people in the US think we just have two options, which is why a third party will have a hard time gaining traction. I also believe it has something to do with funding. A party needs a certain percentage of the votes in order to be eligible for various funding. I'm not entirely sure how it works though.

In this election, I voted mostly Libertarian and a few from United Utah since I liked what they stood for. I also voted to oust every single judge in our Supreme Court since none of them seem to understand what the Constitution is. I also voted in favor of medical marijuana, not because I support it (I don't) but I do think people should have the right to try it. Also, it'll be funny if it passes since it'll be illegal to actually buy it in Utah, even if it's for medical use.
 
I vote Libertarian in most elections. Even if they probably won't win, at least I can say I cast my vote for a someone that believes in the same thing I do. I used to vote for the lesser of two evils, but that feels like throwing my vote away since Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same (with minor differences) and both pretty terrible at representing the Constitution.

Unfortunately, many people in the US think we just have two options, which is why a third party will have a hard time gaining traction. I also believe it has something to do with funding. A party needs a certain percentage of the votes in order to be eligible for various funding. I'm not entirely sure how it works though.

While I don't question your right to vote for the candidate that "believes in the same thing" you do, I wonder if that is the most sensible way to approach voting, particularly in a system that does not encompass proportional representation in any way. I would be more concerned with using my vote to influence the electoral outcome in a way that comes closest to fulfilling my goals. So, for instance, if I supported the platform of the Green candidate, but voting Green opened the door for a rabidly anti-environmental candidate to take power, I might consider my vote better cast to support the moderately pro-environmental candidate who had a better chance of winning.

Also, I really don't believe that "Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same". If Al Gore had become President instead of George W. Bush, I think it's highly unlikely that the US would have lunched a full-blown invasion of Iraq. If Hillary Clinton were President, the US would now be in a significantly different situation.
 
While I don't question your right to vote for the candidate that "believes in the same thing" you do, I wonder if that is the most sensible way to approach voting, particularly in a system that does not encompass proportional representation in any way. I would be more concerned with using my vote to influence the electoral outcome in a way that comes closest to fulfilling my goals. So, for instance, if I supported the platform of the Green candidate, but voting Green opened the door for a rabidly anti-environmental candidate to take power, I might consider my vote better cast to support the moderately pro-environmental candidate who had a better chance of winning.

Also, I really don't believe that "Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same". If Al Gore had become President instead of George W. Bush, I think it's highly unlikely that the US would have lunched a full-blown invasion of Iraq. If Hillary Clinton were President, the US would now be in a significantly different situation.

Thing is though, I can't really think of a Republican or Democrat worth voting for. I'd consider voting to one that's close to the way I believe, but so far there hasn't been one. I just want someone that will let me live my life the way I want to as long as I don't infringe on anyone else. I also think other should be able to live their lives too. That's why I'm all for things like same-sex marriage, legalization of drugs, abortion, etc. If that's what you want to do, who am I to say otherwise?

And this is why I think Republicans and Democrats are the same. Neither party has any concept of what the Constitution is or how it applies to how the country should be run. They both waste tax money on a monumental scale. They both want to control my life in different ways. They also both only really cater to whoever gives them money in terms of campaign donations. They both only serve the wealthy and whatever the interest of lobbies are. Neither party gives a damn about the average American.

Democrats masquerade as champions of the poor and underserved, but I rarely see them do anything about it. Even Obama managed to completely mangle single-payer healthcare into a headache for health systems. Republicans often cite that they are fiscally responsible, then I see them spend god knows how much on a military that's got more fat than any department ever. Also they love to push their religious beliefs on people in the way of laws.

I'll give you the thing about Al Gore though, but I don't think he was really a Democrat. If anything I think he aligned more towards the Green Party and honestly probably could've been ok with him. Clinton, however, was no better than Trump. If she would've won, we'd still be in a mess and probably a war with Syria. I hated her nearly as much as I hated Trump and I firmly believe the country was doomed for four years no matter who won.

Oddly enough, out of all the candidates in 2016 I liked Bernie Sanders. I disliked his platform, but I think he genuinely thought he was doing good and I think he truly was for the people. His methods were bad, but he definitely challenged the status quo and seemed like a likable person.
 
When it comes to Elections in America the Primarys are the most crucial.

But with the mess that was the Democrat primary in 2016 and the Republican Convention in 2012 when Ron Paul was shafted by rules they made up on the fly.

There is a strong feeling that it's designed so a non establishment candidate will never get the nomination.
 
They pretty much are though, the only difference is the way they chose to invade your personal life and waste your tax money.
This, This, This, This, and This. I lost count of how many times this year alone one of the two parties attacked some sort of right while proceeding to complain because the other party was either working on attacking or flat out attacking the rights they emphasize. Same song and dance, different year, same train wreck resulting in insanity from people expecting it to not be a train wreck in this, or any, political climate.
 
Thing is though, I can't really think of a Republican or Democrat worth voting for. I'd consider voting to one that's close to the way I believe, but so far there hasn't been one. I just want someone that will let me live my life the way I want to as long as I don't infringe on anyone else. I also think other should be able to live their lives too. That's why I'm all for things like same-sex marriage, legalization of drugs, abortion, etc. If that's what you want to do, who am I to say otherwise?

And this is why I think Republicans and Democrats are the same. Neither party has any concept of what the Constitution is or how it applies to how the country should be run. They both waste tax money on a monumental scale. They both want to control my life in different ways. They also both only really cater to whoever gives them money in terms of campaign donations. They both only serve the wealthy and whatever the interest of lobbies are. Neither party gives a damn about the average American.

Democrats masquerade as champions of the poor and underserved, but I rarely see them do anything about it. Even Obama managed to completely mangle single-payer healthcare into a headache for health systems. Republicans often cite that they are fiscally responsible, then I see them spend god knows how much on a military that's got more fat than any department ever. Also they love to push their religious beliefs on people in the way of laws.

I'll give you the thing about Al Gore though, but I don't think he was really a Democrat. If anything I think he aligned more towards the Green Party and honestly probably could've been ok with him. Clinton, however, was no better than Trump. If she would've won, we'd still be in a mess and probably a war with Syria. I hated her nearly as much as I hated Trump and I firmly believe the country was doomed for four years no matter who won.

Oddly enough, out of all the candidates in 2016 I liked Bernie Sanders. I disliked his platform, but I think he genuinely thought he was doing good and I think he truly was for the people. His methods were bad, but he definitely challenged the status quo and seemed like a likable person.

I don't know if you're not being somewhat disingenuous. Pretty clearly the Democrats are more likely to support "same-sex marriage, legalization of drugs, abortion, etc" than the Republicans whether pre-Trump or post Trump. There's simply no question about that.

You might consider that "They both waste tax money on a monumental scale." - but they do tend to spend it on different priorities. Democrats ARE unquestionably "champions of the poor and underserved" on some level. In fact, they are constantly accused by Republicans of being "socialists", or even "communists". The position of Republicans ... & for that matter libertarians on this, is that providing help to the poor & underserved is actually counter-productive & that a progressive tax system that allows you to do this may be "unconstitutional', or even "immoral".

So what factors do you base your vote on: "social freedoms" promoted by Democrats or "fiscal freedoms" promoted by Republicans? Voting libertarian, on a pragmatic level, seems to simply sidestep that essential dilemma. You wind up casting your vote in a way that will have no practical influence on the actual outcome. Having a rigidly two party system does not offer the voter much possibility of a nuanced voice on policy direction. At times this has seemed to work acceptably well in US politics ... at least not appreciably worse than the political systems in other countries. However, at the minute, it seems to have descended to a new level of disfunction.

With regard to HRC - I think she was a thoroughly "establishment" candidate, barely "left wing" at all & only ground breaking to the extent that she was a woman. This did not stop Republicans from pretending she was a "lefty". I don't think she would have started a war with Syria - I think lessons had been learned from the debacle in Iraq, Libya & Syria ... but who knows? Gore was also a solidly establishment candidate, with some Green tendencies.
 
And you had 8 years of Obama and Weed is still schedule 1, even considering the president admitted to having smoked it before.

He expanded the war on Terror to include drone attacks on Yemen, he promised alot and did a whole lot of nothing.
 
If democrats win the house i hear they will ask for trumps tax records and they will get them if asked for.

What was interesting is the woman in arizona on gop side is saying shes trying save healthcare for pre conditions yet she voted against them
Some roosters will be coming home to roost tommorow i think .
 
I don't know if you're not being somewhat disingenuous. Pretty clearly the Democrats are more likely to support "same-sex marriage, legalization of drugs, abortion, etc" than the Republicans whether pre-Trump or post Trump. There's simply no question about that.

You might consider that "They both waste tax money on a monumental scale." - but they do tend to spend it on different priorities. Democrats ARE unquestionably "champions of the poor and underserved" on some level. In fact, they are constantly accused by Republicans of being "socialists", or even "communists". The position of Republicans ... & for that matter libertarians on this, is that providing help to the poor & underserved is actually counter-productive & that a progressive tax system that allows you to do this may be "unconstitutional', or even "immoral".

I don't see Democrats as champions of the poor. Democratic socialist sure, but not the Democrat party as a whole. Like Republicans, they exist to serve the interest of lobbies and therefore whatever top donators ask for. The only difference between the two parties, in my opinion, is a handful of social issues. Both still love to go to war, spend money, and tell you how to live your life. The only difference with that is that they spend their money slightly different and the basis of how you should live your life stems from different things.

So what factors do you base your vote on: "social freedoms" promoted by Democrats or "fiscal freedoms" promoted by Republicans? Voting libertarian, on a pragmatic level, seems to simply sidestep that essential dilemma. You wind up casting your vote in a way that will have no practical influence on the actual outcome. Having a rigidly two party system does not offer the voter much possibility of a nuanced voice on policy direction. At times this has seemed to work acceptably well in US politics ... at least not appreciably worse than the political systems in other countries. However, at the minute, it seems to have descended to a new level of disfunction.

The way I see it is that if neither party supports the way I think the country should be run, I'm not voting for them. Both Republicans and Democrats don't do this, so why should I vote for them? A vote for something I don't believe in is a wasted vote in my opinion. I know a Libertarian candidate has little chance of winning, but I can take some solace in knowing I voted for the person that has ideas that I support. I also can feel pretty good knowing I didn't vote for establishment candidates that have no concept of the country's founding principals. In 2016, neither Clinton nor Trump were even worthy of the office, never mind that neither had any plan that was positive for the country. I couldn't in good faith cast a vote for that.

I think many people get stuck in the idea that they can only vote for one or the other. But in reality, if people spent a couple minutes reading what all the candidates stood for, they would probably vote for a third party or even an independent candidate. It's also sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Saying I'm not going to vote for a third party because no one votes for a third party means no one is actually going to vote for them. The only way I see our government getting back on track is to have more third parties play a bigger part in the elections. Imagine if there was Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Greens all in the running for an office. That would give you four chances to get someone who represents the people instead of just two.

Granted I'm not a pure libertarian. I still believe in some government intervention, but only to fix or pave the way towards them butting out of things. Take net neutrality for example. Government policies have made it so there's virtually no competition in some areas which leaves a monopoly. If that one company decides to do whatever it wants your choice is to either go without internet or pay a huge premium. I don't agree with that and the market can't work itself out due to the government mucking things up. I also agree with things like roads, emergency services, and other things along those lines are fine as government services - at least to an extent.

However, I think many things should be privatized, taxes should be low, and government interference should be kept to a minimum. I also believe the Constitution should be followed - which is one of the main reasons I think Trump should get impeached since he's clearly in violation of it (tariffs).
 
The way I see it is that if neither party supports the way I think the country should be run, I'm not voting for them. Both Republicans and Democrats don't do this, so why should I vote for them? A vote for something I don't believe in is a wasted vote in my opinion..

Love it. :)

Voting is speech. You're saying something when you vote. Gotta make sure you say what you mean.

Are you more interested in saying something, or doing something? The only way to vote 100% for what you want to say, would be to vote for yourself. That's not likely to have much effect, so you vote for a collection of more or less like-minded people who form a party. As soon as that happens, you are probably making some compromises in the expression of your views. That's the way it works.

A two party system is an extremely blunt-edged way of approaching politics, but realistically, that system is the consequence of decades of political history, including, by definition, the constitution that led to it happening. The US would be better off with more parties, I would imagine. It would allow for more nuanced voting by the electorate, & might create the opportunity for less confrontational politics.

I don't believe that there is no difference between the Democratic party & the Republican party. There are plenty of people who enter politics with idealistic motives, but over time many of them are ground down by the realities of the system & get pulled into the swamp along with the existing enthusiastic swamp-dwellers. Whereas there may not be that much difference between moderate Republicans & moderate Democrats, there is a huge difference between social conservative Republicans & left leaning Democrats. Once in power, they are all compromised by the power of big money, the military-industrial complex & special interests lobby groups. The Libertarian party may, for the most part, stand aside from the swamp at the minute, but if Libertarians actually came to hold political power I would expect them to be as compromised & corruptible in the longer term as Democrats & Republicans.

. The only way I see our government getting back on track is to have more third parties play a bigger part in the elections. Imagine if there was Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and Greens all in the running for an office. That would give you four chances to get someone who represents the people instead of just two.

I don't doubt that having more parties in the mix would change US politics for the better. Electing Trump was an indication of desire on the part of the right for a new way forward. The unfortunate thing is that they chose an individual whose fundamental character & life history is irredeemably "swampy" - someone who was profoundly corrupt & self-serving even BEFORE entering politics.
 
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A two party system is an extremely blunt-edged way of approaching politics, but realistically, that system is the consequence of decades of political history, including, by definition, the constitution that led to it happening. The US would be better off with more parties, I would imagine. It would allow for more nuanced voting by the electorate, & might create the opportunity for less confrontational politics.

I don't really see perpetuating the two party system as the way to fight it. Third party candidates currently don't have significant chances at winning, but pulling support for them isn't going to reverse that. Voting for them is a long term strategy.
 
Are you more interested in saying something, or doing something?

I am doing something - making a clear statement about my political beliefs and refusing to give my vote to people whose positions I oppose. Did people who voted for Hillary "do" something? Or did they do nothing because she didn't win? Did they say something? Or did they muffle the message of their vote in hopes of deciding a winner, only to come up empty handed?

Nobody can "do" any more with their vote than I do when I vote Libertarian. But you can do less...
 
I went to vote earlier today. In past elections, my precinct is usually empty between 10-11 am, but it was full and people were waiting for voting booths to open up today. The only things I can think of that caused the voting spike are the pro-Trump/anti-Trump voters (split opinion here) and the pro-school board and pro-recall the school board supporters (again a split opinion here).
 
Voted by mail a couple weeks ago. Can't wait until it's all over and I don't have to see anymore political tv ads and unsolicited text messages telling me how to vote. I really only care about repealing the gas tax here in CA.

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I went to vote earlier today. In past elections, my precinct is usually empty between 10-11 am, but it was full and people were waiting for voting booths to open up today. The only things I can think of that caused the voting spike are the pro-Trump/anti-Trump voters (split opinion here) and the pro-school board and pro-recall the school board supporters (again a split opinion here).

We just had our municipal election here in Toronto last month. Same sort of thing: because of the divisiveness of current politics (like our bratty PM singling out the city for a good ol' fashioned bit of gerrymandering) people seemed much more active. Then again, it might've only seemed that way because the polling station was literally in my building's lobby...

unsolicited text messages telling my how to vote.

Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask about that. I was in Sacramento a bit over a week ago and a few people around me got those sorts of texts from candidates. I won't even question the legal/moral implication of it — I just wonder how anybody responsible would think there's even a remote chance of that swaying people, instead of the more likely response: just being annoyed.
 
Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask about that. I was in Sacramento a bit over a week ago and a few people around me got those sorts of texts from candidates. I won't even question the legal/moral implication of it — I just wonder how anybody responsible would think there's even a remote chance of that swaying people, instead of the more likely response: just being annoyed.

All the text messages and political calls I received were for my wife. She is hispanic and somehow ends up on political calling lists that either come in spanish or in english saying the Latino Voters Association wants you to vote XX on Prop XX or en espanol which she does not speak. It's very annoying.
 
Polls opened 6am here, I was there by 6:05 and the (small) parking lot was full. Had to create my own spot, then go in and wait in line. Usually for a mid term, the place is empty in the morning.

I was shocked to see a vote on bringing back the failed county soda tax. A big fat "no" from me, but if it somehow passes I'll just avoid it by going to the neighboring county like I did last time.
 
All the text messages and political calls I received were for my wife. She is hispanic and somehow ends up on political calling lists that either come in spanish or in english saying the Latino Voters Association wants you to vote XX on Prop XX or en espanol which she does not speak. It's very annoying.

My wife and I have both received similiar texts and it pisses me off. Even if the texts were from candidates we liked, neither one of us (my wife and I) gave them our phone numbers. Also, below is a picture of a letter we received in the mail. Bear in mind that my wife and I are both independents.

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Are you more interested in saying something, or doing something? The only way to vote 100% for what you want to say, would be to vote for yourself. That's not likely to have much effect, so you vote for a collection of more or less like-minded people who form a party. As soon as that happens, you are probably making some compromises in the expression of your views. That's the way it works.

Doing something. Saying something doesn't really solve anything, but doing something does. So when I cast a ballot with a libertarian candidate, I am doing something to inch the political climate away from the two-party system. Voting for either a Democrat or Republican, for me, isn't doing anything. All it's doing is picking the lesser of two evils, which leaves me with someone still evil.

And I agree, no candidate will represent me 100%. But there are candidates that I believe represent me better than those who the Democrats or Republicans roll out. If either one of those parties had a candidate I could support, I'd do so. I guess I should say I'm not a Libertarian but rather a libertarian. So not part of the party, I just subscribe to their ideals. If a Republican candidate had those ideals, I'd vote for them. A good example of this is Ron Paul.

I don't believe that there is no difference between the Democratic party & the Republican party. There are plenty of people who enter politics with idealistic motives, but over time many of them are ground down by the realities of the system & get pulled into the swamp along with the existing enthusiastic swamp-dwellers. Whereas there may not be that much difference between moderate Republicans & moderate Democrats, there is a huge difference between social conservative Republicans & left leaning Democrats. Once in power, they are all compromised by the power of big money, the military-industrial complex & special interests lobby groups. The Libertarian party may, for the most part, stand aside from the swamp at the minute, but if Libertarians actually came to hold political power I would expect them to be as compromised & corruptible in the longer term as Democrats & Republicans.

I can't say I disagree with this either. If a Libertarian were to get elected as president, they could easily become compromised or corrupt. But since we haven't had anyone like that yet, it's hypothetical. I know for a fact a Democrat or Republican can be corruptable since we've seen it already.

I also agree that there is a difference between the far right and far left. What I'm talking about is the parties themselves and their establishment candidates. To me, they are more or less the same, although I do recognize some of the fringe candidates are vastly different from one another.
 
My voting place is only about 2 miles from where I work. I can usually get off work at 6 and have plenty of time to vote and I'm hoping that's the case tonight because the other 4 people in my department live anywhere from 40 to 60 miles away from here and are all leaving work a little early to go vote leaving me here by myself to close.
 

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