The aftermath of the BOOM.

[sn00pie]

The aftermath of the BOOM caused by a (series of) large nuclear explosive device(s), the kind of devices Bush has. And I'm sure Poetin - along with a lot of other Asian countries - has them too.

Global dust storms (winters) are possible on the planet Mars because of it's tenuous atmosphere, on Earth such storms are only possible under exceptional circumstances, like a global nuclear exchange.

Mars:

To generate nuclear winter (the storms) billions of tons of dust must be injected into stratosphere, the most important goal in nuclear strike though is to target enemy missile sites. - The rising mushroom clouds caused by the explosion(s) lift horrendous amounts of dust into the stratosphere.

Airbursts over urban areas would ignite flammables lifting huge dark clouds of smoke and dust high into atmosphere.

Even a limited nuclear exchange (1000 megatons) involving only a few percent of global nuclear arsenals (20,000 megatons) would cause a northern'hemisphere nuclear winter.

Sun would be shut off for months, temperatures would plummet dramatically and it would take several seasons for climate to return to normal. - Worldwide.

I hope Bush, and his experts know what the hell they're doing.

 

[Duke]

I'll bet they know a hell of a lot more about what they're doing, and care a hell of a lot more about what they're doing than, say, the North Koreans.

 

[Alec]

I hope they know everything they're doing.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by neon_duke
I'll bet they know a hell of a lot more about what they're doing, and care a hell of a lot more about what they're doing than, say, the North Koreans.

Korea's got a bigger stake than anyone!

They care.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by M5Power
Korea's got a bigger stake than anyone!

They care.

They don't act like it.

 

[Klostrophobic]

Now have you been to North Korea to see that they don't care or have you just seen some propaganda?

I think they might care.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic
Now have you been to North Korea to see that they don't care or have you just seen some propaganda?

I think they might care.

Have you? They might not.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Did anyone think that they care, and don't care? The N. Korean's know what will happen,. that's why they know it'll never happen,.... that's why they move forward.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Did anyone think that they care, and don't care? The N. Korean's know what will happen,. that's why they know it'll never happen,.... that's why they move forward.

I'm trying and trying, but I can't make any sense of this post.

I think the North Koreans don't understand that they have to play by the rules if they want to have any kind of relationship with the rest of the planet. They seem to think that they can do what they want without repercussions, just because they want to. No matter what your opinions on Bush and the US, I don't think he feels that way.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

What I meant was that we all know the consiquences of Nuclear war,.. that's why it'll never happen.

Do you think they're worried about they're people dying in a ground war? Unlikely. There gonna do what ever they want,... and make us look like the bad guy's in the end,... just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (examples)

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
They don't act like it.

Fair point, but they surely care -- especially after China's announced that they're not going to stand by Korea!

 

[DGB454]

Question. Does anyone know what 2 countries gives the most in aid to North Korea? just curious.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by Alec
I hope they know everything they're doing.

Whoa, whooooa, we're talking about the US government here! They can't do simple things right, such as using either all metric or all British measurements in NASA, and now you expect our government to understand EVERYTHING about nuclear weapons and their aftermaths? All they know is that there are high levels of radiation after one of those things goes off, and they probably don't know it's at least 50 years... You've got to keep things realistic, dude...

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
Question. Does anyone know what 2 countries gives the most in aid to North Korea? just curious.

The United States and South Korea both have to give such aid to the Koreans after imposing horrible anti-trade restrictions on them.

 

[DGB454]

U.S. gives the most then China. Just found that out.
Thanks anyway.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
all British measurements

Britain uses miles for roadways and car speedometers...

 

[boombexus]

Darn, and I thought this was a thread about me.

 

[Acid X]

Boom, you we-todd.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic
Now have you been to North Korea to see that they don't care or have you just seen some propaganda?

I think they might care.

The average North Korean is a hungry peasant who knows nothing about anything. The regime is set up to keep people in the dark and make sure it stays that way. Outsiders are followed and kept out of most of the country. You are not allowed to ask North Koreans questions without a tender. These people have no idea what is going on. America may use propaganda (all countries do) but North Korea uses flat out oppression. Comparing N. Korea and America is a joke.

The mere fact that they are starting a nuclear crisis speaks to how much they care. It betrays more than a little bit of desperation. I keep wondering what they plan to gain. I come up blank.

Did you know that they don't even have rice in North Korea (all they can afford is to mix a few grains in with a mash of vegetables)? Really sad. All this so a corrupt regime can live large on the backs of the peasants. Unlike Cuba, they demonstrate what's wrong with communism.

As far as the aftermath of nuclear war goes... Basically it could very easily escalate out of controll. I think the idea of detonating one nuclear bomb, or a couple, is impossible. Just America alone has enough to incinerate most of the world. There'd be no one around to experience a nuclear winter.

Just knowing such weapons exist causes me many anxious moments.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

damn,... your good dude 👍

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile
The average North Korean is a hungry peasant who knows nothing about anything. The regime is set up to keep people in the dark and make sure it stays that way.

Not as much as you think. The average elderly Korean is that way, but most Korean students and young men are radical, informed, and ready to do battle - same in South Korea. The problem in South Korea, of course, is that those same radical students are anti-American (as are their Korean counterparts to the north) even though America protects South Korea from slaughter. If those students don't shed those radical views and don't support their government, I think America should seriously question keeping troops in South Korea.

Outsiders are followed and kept out of most of the country. You are not allowed to ask North Koreans questions without a tender. These people have no idea what is going on. America may use propaganda (all countries do) but North Korea uses flat out oppression.

No... this doesn't happen. If you strongly believe it does, prove it.

The mere fact that they are starting a nuclear crisis speaks to how much they care. It betrays more than a little bit of desperation. I keep wondering what they plan to gain. I come up blank

World power - Korea's always been after power. They know communism is an old idea, they're losing world prominence, and they can hardly trade. One day, then, they announce they have nukes and that they want to talk with the Americans and South Koreans. And suddenly everybody's scared of the communists again.

Did you know that they don't even have rice in North Korea (all they can afford is to mix a few grains in with a mash of vegetables)? Really sad. All this so a corrupt regime can live large on the backs of the peasants. Unlike Cuba, they demonstrate what's wrong with communism.

Dude, this is absurd. Their number one export according to the 2003 World Almanac is agricultural products. Their number one agricultural product is rice, followed by corn, potatoes, soybeans, cattle, pig, pork, and eggs. One of their top imports is grain. Koreans aren't as oppressed as you've been lead to believe.

As far as the aftermath of nuclear war goes... Basically it could very easily escalate out of controll. I think the idea of detonating one nuclear bomb, or a couple, is impossible. Just America alone has enough to incinerate most of the world. There'd be no one around to experience a nuclear winter.

Yeah, military power has almost nothing to do with nuclear bombs, according to me. How many do you need to get your point across? However many nuclear weapons Korea has is too many.

 

[Gawd]

If North Korea is exporting food why does half the frikkin world give them food aid?

Where did you get your information?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by M5Power

No... this doesn't happen. If you strongly believe it does, prove it.

Dude, this is absurd. Their number one export according to the 2003 World Almanac is agricultural products. Their number one agricultural product is rice, followed by corn, potatoes, soybeans, cattle, pig, pork, and eggs. One of their top imports is grain. Koreans aren't as oppressed as you've been lead to believe.
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I'm only repeating information I got from a radio interview. The interviewee was an official with the World Food Bank. Beyond that I have no proof not am I inclined to do any research at the moment... but I may be so inclined later.

He also said that inspectors from the World Food Bank have to give three weeks notice before arriving in the country, and that they (N. Korea) are totally secretive about how the food is distributed, and escort the officials everywhere they go. It is believed that it is not getting wherre it is supposed to go, but their government will not allow anyone to find out.

I have heard before that outsiders are not allowed to roam freely in N. Korea from other sources I can't recall at the moment, too.

It's not a nice place. It's a third world country. Just because they might have a city or two doesn't make the population sophisticated.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Gawd
If North Korea is exporting food why does half the frikkin world give them food aid?

Where did you get your information?

Before you make incoherent judgements, please read what I write:

Their number one export according to the 2003 World Almanac is agricultural products. Their number one agricultural product is rice, followed by corn, potatoes, soybeans, cattle, pig, pork, and eggs. One of their top imports is grain. Koreans aren't as oppressed as you've been lead to believe.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile
I'm only repeating information I got from a radio interview. The interviewee was an official with the World Food Bank. Beyond that I have no proof not am I inclined to do any research at the moment... but I may be so inclined later.

He also said that inspectors from the World Food Bank have to give three weeks notice before arriving in the country, and that they (N. Korea) are totally secretive about how the food is distributed, and escort the officials everywhere they go. It is believed that it is not getting wherre it is supposed to go, but their government will not allow anyone to find out.

I have heard before that outsiders are not allowed to roam freely in N. Korea from other sources I can't recall at the moment, too.

It's not a nice place. It's a third world country. Just because they might have a city or two doesn't make the population sophisticated.

I still think these facts are wrong - I'm not going to make judgements based on the statements of one World Food Bank employee, (especially when the World Food Bank makes no claim that they distribute food to North Korea) because I find that the mood and the persona (as well as any possible motives) of each interviewee must be taken into account when watching TV shows or listening to radio shows, which is why I prefer statistics.

Also, the North Koreans, for years and years and years, refused to let any world help come into their country because they wanted to become self-sufficient and self-dependent. Unfortunately, in mid-1996, floods (including the worst Korean flood in a century) and general drought wiped out much of Korea's crop and they basically begged for food aid; they had to.

Check out the text of this interview:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/may96/food_shortage_5-21.html

 

[Pupik]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Do you think they're worried about they're people dying in a ground war? Unlikely. There gonna do what ever they want,... and make us look like the bad guy's in the end,... just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (examples)

Actually, there are a lot of Japanese whom were angrier at their government; they were warned we were going to drop a weapon of mass-destruction, virtually every Japanese force was almost beaten to the ground from the Pacific Theater, the Ministry of Defense refused to give in.

Over 100,000 people were killed instantly, hundreds of thousands suffered and eventually died of unusual and even unpredictable afflictions, many of which are still not understood today. Read a few of the tales of A-bomb survivors; you will never want to hear the word "nuclear war" again.

All I can say is, it's a scary world; at least making an agreement with North Korea is in our, and the world's best interest...especially when China is their only ally in which we want good terms with (primarily for trade reasons, of course).

 

[Majarvis]

I don't want to sound like a little kid asking a big person a question, but IF this happened and there was a Nuclear winter, would we all die? Or can you survive it? And would you automatically get cancer because of the radiation?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Majarvis
I don't want to sound like a little kid asking a big person a question, but IF this happened and there was a Nuclear winter, would we all die? Or can you survive it? And would you automatically get cancer because of the radiation?

The handful of people who have access to protection would live, and even for those few, it would be a hard life for the forseeable future.

Do you have access to protection?

It's not the radiation and nulear winter that would kill everybody, per se. But the chaos that would accompany mass starvation, a ruined economy, and lack of sevices and infrastructure would result in the end of most of humanity. That is, in all out nuclear holocaust.

One bomb in once city? Not quite so bad for humanity in general. And if you didn't live in that city you'd certainly live. But you might wish you hadn't.

If we ever live to see a nuclear fission bomb used we'll wish we hadn't, and that would become the defining event of our lives.

Of course somebody will be correcting me...

 

[Pupik]

Sounds about right.

My A-bomb discussion was only relevant because it was the only nuclear device ever used in anger. The amount of megatons of TNT in a "modern" nuke compared to "Fatboy" is about 10,000 times greater, I've read.

It wouldn't be pretty, that's for certain.

 

[Majarvis]

Eeek