The Cafe is not at all what I thought.
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I must be one of the few who really enjoyed the cafe. Yeah it could’ve been longer, but I didn’t mind it. It almost felt like a mini story mode IMO.
About the text. I think this might seem strange since most of us are probably from the West, but let’s remember PD are a Japanese developer and this feels…. well very “Japanese”. It’s not a bad thing of course. I have a lot of JRPGs so it’s not much of a shock to me to see dialogue being conveyed like this.
It probably also saved hiring voice actors just for a few lines and to make it easier from an accessibility standpoint to flip the text into a different language.
All in all I think the cafe had an innocent charm I find adorable and an interesting take on the typical “career”.
About the text. I think this might seem strange since most of us are probably from the West, but let’s remember PD are a Japanese developer and this feels…. well very “Japanese”. It’s not a bad thing of course. I have a lot of JRPGs so it’s not much of a shock to me to see dialogue being conveyed like this.
It probably also saved hiring voice actors just for a few lines and to make it easier from an accessibility standpoint to flip the text into a different language.
All in all I think the cafe had an innocent charm I find adorable and an interesting take on the typical “career”.
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Would that do any good? It won't add any significant changes to the game against PD's outdated approach, almost unnoticeable especially if it's optional. The extra rewards are just extra rewards that do little for the game in the long run.
Making the career mode like PS1/2 era games is another form of PD never learning. They're only relying on nostalgia and keep recycling same things over and over again despite that in reality they're so outdated in their approach but they were never exposed at that time. Career mode no matter how many races they're those are just races in circuits with different laps and car roster, like scripted Arcade mode. The backlash isn't only for GT7 now, but for PD as a whole that is overlooked in past era.
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I'm in that minority as well.
I like the idea, but it could have been implemented much better. The talking heads were a bit cringe, but charming and quirky at the same time. They tried a different approach to the usual, so kudos to PD for that, it's just a shame the execution was lacking.
How I would have liked it done
The start was fine, book 1 buying your first povo car is pretty much a franchise staple, so no need to mess with it.
After that I would have liked to see the next menu book unlock a championship screen. Then you go there and complete the Sunday Cup. 1 prize car for the championship would be sufficient and you earn it by finishing top 3. (I do like that they implemented that part as opposed to winning is everything) Also there should be other championships now available, similar to the first set of championships in Sport. You can either race as many of these as you want, or go back to the cafe.
Next menu is tuning. You have the first menu available to choose from to tune your car up to a specific pp range.
Next book directs you back to the championships to compete in one of the other options in the open tier. You chose which one. Come top 3 and back to the cafe. All the championships award a prize car. Prize cars are sellable at 25% of retail and you can keep winning them.
Next menu opens up the new car dealership and a higher tier championship, race in one of those, back to the cafe.
Next level of tuning
and so on as you work your way up to Gr1 or whatever they deem the pinnacle to be.
The other bits and pieces from the cafe such as showing you scapes, liveries etc could be slotted in wherever.
Doing it like this those that want progression still have the option to take their time, and those that want to get into their preferred class of racing can get there fairly quickly.
Tracks would unlock with the introduction of each championship level. With all tracks unlocked by the time you hit Gr3. After that the championship menu books just unlock events for higher tier cars.
Obviously the above would need a few tweaks, but if I had 5 years I reckon it would be pretty spot on.
edit. I would also add some kind of meeting place setup in the cafe. Like a chat room where you can hang about and find friends to go and play in lobbies with.
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I really enjoyed the cafes as well.
The only issue I have with it is that it's so short and/or there's barely any content alongside it, like the classic GT mode stuff
(And maybe the amount of texts and clicking there, but I did read the texts and found them ok)
The only issue I have with it is that it's so short and/or there's barely any content alongside it, like the classic GT mode stuff
(And maybe the amount of texts and clicking there, but I did read the texts and found them ok)
The way it was protrayed in the marketing pre-release did make it seem that the Cafe mode was basically a collection of sidequests, though this was probably just by omission - it'd be fair to expect the traditional GT career mode to be standard, and then the Cafe as extra content - like a logical expansion on the Coffee Break challenges in GT6.
At least there's growing room for a new AAA racing franchise on Playstation now; we've just got to wait for a new challenger. Maybe Turn10 could release FM8 as cross-platform, lol.
At least there's growing room for a new AAA racing franchise on Playstation now; we've just got to wait for a new challenger. Maybe Turn10 could release FM8 as cross-platform, lol.
It's the Japanese way.
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Yeah i thought the Cafe would just be a place where you learn about your cars, and have a 'social' area (chat roomish), and just a place for relaxed car related stuff (museums etc).
Was a bit surprised and disappointed to find out, at this early stage of the game at least, that it's the main career mode.
Also, i've seen a few people here say that once you complete the menu books, the pop up messages from in game car experts/gamers/GT7 helpers etc don't appear anymore, which means they don't say anything about the car you're currently in? Seems a bit weird, and a waste of programming if it just disappears.
Was a bit surprised and disappointed to find out, at this early stage of the game at least, that it's the main career mode.
Also, i've seen a few people here say that once you complete the menu books, the pop up messages from in game car experts/gamers/GT7 helpers etc don't appear anymore, which means they don't say anything about the car you're currently in? Seems a bit weird, and a waste of programming if it just disappears.
made a pretty extensive rant previously
After getting further with the game I just want to clarify I don't hate GTCafe ....its just a bad choice for the core of single player and doesnt feel like an actual career mode...its well curated but thats precisely the problem...there is no freedom ...
I laughed at the "Tune a classic car" one because I tried to use a VW Beetle..wasted my money tuning it not realizing that it was literally going to force me to tune the MiniCooper.. I was like wtf? Why doesnt it say tune a mini...thats the moment I realized how linear theyre making this .. When it should be a sandbox to discover things on your own you are instead forced to do only what your given
After getting further with the game I just want to clarify I don't hate GTCafe ....its just a bad choice for the core of single player and doesnt feel like an actual career mode...its well curated but thats precisely the problem...there is no freedom ...
I laughed at the "Tune a classic car" one because I tried to use a VW Beetle..wasted my money tuning it not realizing that it was literally going to force me to tune the MiniCooper.. I was like wtf? Why doesnt it say tune a mini...thats the moment I realized how linear theyre making this .. When it should be a sandbox to discover things on your own you are instead forced to do only what your given
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They do, just not for all cars and not during the night (iirc).
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Clearing the campaign is low point of GT7, ironically. Maybe I could have looked past the extreme linearity if the whole thing was nicely rounded, but the sudden ending after menu book 39 really cemented the campaign as a disastrous culmination to PD finally releasing a numbered title for the first time since 2013. Hard to comprehend that this is what they wanted to do after a nine years hiatus from the classic type of game. Fortunately GT7 has what it takes to live on going forward, but that first week clearing the campaign sits with me like distant dream I would rather forget.
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“One journey ends, another begins.” That’s the message you get at the end of the ending movie.
With this... yeah, it does feel like they intentionally treated the Cafe as an “introductory” campaign of sorts with the championships only going up to the National A license, and when the first major content update arrives, it will mark the start of a second ever-expanding “live service” campaign that will go on for two years or so. That “new journey” as teased by the ending.
I know that people are rightfully disappointed with not getting everything at launch, but this is how it is now, unfortunately. I don’t mind, though, as long as it’s all free like Sport.
With this... yeah, it does feel like they intentionally treated the Cafe as an “introductory” campaign of sorts with the championships only going up to the National A license, and when the first major content update arrives, it will mark the start of a second ever-expanding “live service” campaign that will go on for two years or so. That “new journey” as teased by the ending.
I know that people are rightfully disappointed with not getting everything at launch, but this is how it is now, unfortunately. I don’t mind, though, as long as it’s all free like Sport.
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I would think more menu books are coming eventually; 39 is literally and figuratively an odd number for an ending.
I’m at the 911 menu book. Maybe the menus will get more difficult, like obtaining rarer cars of the game, or task you with online activities like Sport mode.
The only possible issue with adding more car ‘collecting’ menu books is if you already have all the cars… 😬
I’m at the 911 menu book. Maybe the menus will get more difficult, like obtaining rarer cars of the game, or task you with online activities like Sport mode.
The only possible issue with adding more car ‘collecting’ menu books is if you already have all the cars… 😬
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check out a game called dragon quest 11. it's a japanese game developer, and in the japanese version of the game there's no voice acting just the sounds like gt7, but they also have an english version where most of it is voiced by exceptionally talented actors. this is because it's how it normally is in japanese rpg and conversely in english games. game dialogue is about 100 times as much as gt7 too
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What they really could've done was to give us 50 with the later ones going into the more serious racing cars and from there on just have x books on offer at once for players to complete with much bigger tasks and higher rewards. I.e. a Group C menu that for example award the R92CP, 956 and Sauber C9 for completing 1000km races or something like that.
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This is sure a lot of galaxy brain dot connecting to more or less say 'I'm fine with a title being cut to the bone, to the point of the game's effective main campaign only going up to a certain point, and leaving the rest out as DLC, at least it's free when Polyphony get patted on the back for putting in stuff that should have been in the game to begin with!"
Like it's so obvious what Polyphony's plan has been since the beginning of GT Sport, really, and people still line up hook and sinker to pat them on the back for it, even more so now that the game and the series' reputation is FUBAR.
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He literally said that people were right to be disappointed with it, and that he thinks it's unfortunate that it turned out this way. Not sure where he's "patting them on the back" in his post either, comes off as a neutral observation to me.
Has anyone told you how grating your cynical attitude is?
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You tell me if that's a neutral observation in being happy that content that should have been in the game to begin with was held back, and as long as it's free, it's alright?
Maybe I wouldn't be so cynical if Polyphony and Kaz weren't so bull-headed in their beliefs that it lead to the greatest crisis of faith in the series' history, and is the absolute culmination of every wrong move they've made since GT4 released nearly 20 years ago?
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Oh... But here is where you are wrong my friend.
Nothing is free here mate. Just like GT Sport wasn't. GT Sport was a game launched for 60€, but the game in practical use was barely worth 15€ on the state it was at launch. The updates you saw after that made the game it was at the end of it's live cycle, you had already paid for them with the extra 45€ you paid for it at launch.
They are doing the same now with GT7, but somehow, managed to get worse. The game at the state it is, even right now after one batch of updates, isn't even worth 30€, heck I would even argue it isn't even worth 20€, but that's beside the point... You paid 80€, EIGHTY. The updates you are seeing are not free, they have already been paid.
And this is the problem. It's not supposed to be like this. You pay for something, you expect that something to deliver what it has promised. GT7 has clearly not done that, and so far, still remains that way.
That's like buying a car but they only give you access to turn the steering wheel 2 years down the line or it only comes with two wheels and you have to wait for the other two, but when they give it to you, it's for "free"... NOT.
Mate, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying this to make you realize what's truly behind these "free updates". It's a way of PD (and many other companies) brainwashing the playerbase into thinking that they are "good guys" and give these updates for free. But it's not mate.
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He said he doesn't mind, not that he was super joyful about it, just that he doesn't mind. Because what else can you do by this point? We can't take a time machine back to GT7's pre-release era, we just have to wait and see what the DLC brings us.
I would've much preferred the game to be as complete at launch as GT4 was, infact I'm very disappointed it isn't. But there's literally nothing I can do about it because we're past that point in time now. People are free to continue discussion about the abysmal launch of course, I'm not trying to shut down any conversation about that... Just saying we can't change that point of time.
And as for your attitude, I'm speaking about you in general. I don't really care for your opinions on PD or Kaz, it's just the way you act towards others on this forum, and have done so for years. I'm no saint either but Jesus, take a chill pill sometimes dude.
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