The Caterham Cup - FinishedPS4 

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Event review and my own POV video

I had a very lucky night. My practise for this event was very limited and it showed in one lap pace (no FL for me this time).

Race 1 - QUALI
Managed a second row position (4th) in a very competitive qualifying. It is amazing that first 8 cars on the grid were separated by one second (pole man @Pantheons with a 52.963 and 8th man @richroo with a 54.026, that's 1.063 seconds of difference with 8 cars inside it :eek:)

Race 1 - RACE

Did an ok getaway from the grid, didn't gain or lose positions. During the race managed to be the oportunist that takes advantage of others' mistakes to get and pass them. Caught Xeronima in the last corner of lap 1, Simon braking into corner 1 lap 5 (bit messy corner exit for me, Simon briefly regained 2nd but I had the inside for corner 2 so I made it stick) and finally @Saltyjoe90 when he went wide into corner 2 lap 7. From that moment onwards I had Joe always very close and keeping me worried but made it to the end. Watching my POV video I notice now that Simon must have had a big "moment" during lap 7 because he suddenly dissapeared from the top 6 to never return. Same with @xeronima during lap 12. What happened to you guys?


Race 2 -

I got lucky TWICE with this one.
- First because the :bowdown: Gods of Random Grid Making :bowdown: put me in Pole Position! :P
- Second because @AndreasR (starting 3rd from the grid, but gained 2nd immediately after the start) was clearly faster than me but somehow didn't overtake me until the end. I have to tell you, those last 10 minutes of this race with Simba always within a few tenths was a very intense experience, I was a tired man by the end of it! I guess Simba was being patient and waiting for me make a serious mistake, thankfully didn't happen! Anyway, great race, and respect for your incredible pace Andreas! 👍


Race 3 - QUALI

Blew my first flying lap (46:10 into my video) and got worried, but finally managed to do a good second (and last) attempt and got pole, using 6 boosts in one lap! :crazy: I have to say a huge THANK YOU to @Oldbass47 for allowing me through during that last lap (48:20 into the video) without this I would never be able to do a good quali!

Race 3 - RACE
This was a very eventful one!

Lap 1 - Poor getwaway from the grid and a slight touch with someone in corner one saw me lose 2 positions to Joe and Simon. With Richard very close I boosted the car out of corner one and up the hill, chasing the duo in front, and there I made my best overtaking of the day (52:30 into the video) , taking second position from Joe in corner 2 with an outside pass. Immediately after, Simon went sideways in corner 3 (and I almost went sideways with him but held it) and with that I got the lead of the race. Even before the end of lap 1 I could see that Joe (in second) crashed in last corner, so by the end of the lap the running order was ME-RICH-SIMBA-PANTHEONS-DON-IFANDOR

Lap 2 must have been interesting from Rich's pov because the positions behind me kept changing.

Lap 3 was my turn to mess it all up, missed my braking mark for corner 3 and went into the gravel (55:50 into the video). Richard and Simon went through and I was back into 3rd, with Simba very close.

Lap 4 - And again I get lucky! Richard spins in corner 1, Simon got trapped behind him and I get to first again!!! :D

Funny moment close to the end of the race. For some reason (old age, confused mind) I finished lap 6 thinking that was the end of the race. So I spent all my remaining boosts until the end of that lap and when I got to the main straight I did it looking back to the following cars, and even got out of the track (1:26.50 into the video) . Then I realized there was one more lap to do!!!! :crazy: Again I was lucky and managed to get the car back on the tarmac and held to that 1st position! :lol:


Race 4 - RACE

The :bowdown: Gods of Random Grid Making :bowdown: were once again favourable towards their servant the Hun :D and put him ... err ... I mean me ... 4th on the grid, with Paul/IfandOr in front. I had a perfect start, overtook him and because I had the inside line for corner 1 I even managed to get to 1st position immediately. Then I understand through the rear view mirror that some kind of havoc with several cars involved happened behind me, and I was suddenly first with Joe and Simon in 2nd and 3rd, but more than 2 seconds adrift already.

This race was less eventful than the previous but not at all an easy one. I made a serious mistake during lap 4 (1:12.35 into the video) and lost the lead to Joe, so severely that I rejoined the track more than 4 seconds behind him. After that it was a loooong recovery race, one that in the end (last lap, moment 1:21.30 of the video) became successful because Joe went wide in the same corner where I had made my own mistake. It was an oportunistic move. Nevertheless, a great race and on-track battle with Joe, thanks for that! 👍

Now Australia awaits! :scared:

 
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Great replays thanks good to watch some battles, and super commentary. Sorry rich for a tap on one of the corners (300's), waited for you to get back on track. Still haven't mastered typing between races.
Was funny on one of the races, I get to a specific corner only to find one the of the marker boards missing and panicked to find my braking point every subsequent time at that corner.

Just tried the next track :nervous:. another first time. Lots of homework for me. Mario dont bother practicing, it's just a circle.

PS. my team mate rocked it again, well done Joe
 
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Pantheons
Mario dont bother practicing, it's just a circle.
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:lol:

Saw you online last night when I logged in but you were already offline by the time I had the game running. I had a few runs with each car just to check how they would behave in the mountain section (a true rollercoaster! :scared: ) and did so with Rich and Paul's company (also Karolbaskin, the guy I mentioned some time ago when I shared the NASCAR setup he gave me with you guys. I don't think he remembers me lol)

Also we got joined by Ricardo (GTP_RPREGO) a guy I know and that watched my live YT stream of this monday's races and got interested in taking part in the remaining races if there was an available slot to fill. Since after Skip bowed out I'm without a teammate maybe he will take his place.

The racing last night wasn't spectacular, I put 8 AI cars at 79% (20% aggression) to ensure they were using stock setup. As usual they are much more competitive with the 300 than they are with the Seven. And you have to be patient with them but if you chose when to make your move they're not a problem. I know this isn't a popular opinion but I find AI's properly set up to be of great help to learn some racecraft.

I won't discuss laptimes, this was just a first day. But I have to say that Paul's best lap last night in the Seven was nearly 1 full second faster than my own best lap, one that I thought was decent. I know he said ...

IfAndOr
I'm really ace around Bannochbrae and Bathurst though.
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... so I guess we were warned! :D
 
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Pantheons
Just tried the next track. another first time. Lots of homework for me.
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Oh you've never raced around Bathurst before! It's a treat then. It's very picturesque up on the mountain in the snow. ;)

Pantheons
Mario don't bother practicing, it's just a circle.
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To late, he was putting a few laps in yesterday. He's very slow though, so nothing to worry about :)
 
Oops, sorry, I meant to say.

Hun200kmh
and got interested in taking part in the remaining races if there was an available slot to fill. Since after Skip bowed out I'm without a teammate maybe he will take his place.
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I'll get that sorted out Mario. I'll send a friend request today and update the thread accordingly.

Welcome @GTP_RPREGO 👍
I'm sure Mario will fill you in on any questions you have but if you're unsure on anything just ask on here. There's not too many races left in this current series but I hope you enjoy them. Perhaps you'd like to select a colour/car choice. Those that are taken are shown on the 1st page. Maybe the same colour as Mario?
 
IfAndOr
Oops, sorry, I meant to say.

I'll get that sorted out Mario. I'll send a friend request today and update the thread accordingly.

Welcome @GTP_RPREGO 👍
I'm sure Mario will fill you in on any questions you have but if you're unsure on anything just ask on here. There's not too many races left in this current series but I hope you enjoy them. Perhaps you'd like to select a colour/car choice. Those that are taken are shown on the 1st page. Maybe the same colour as Mario?
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Hello! Thank you for letting me in, I am sure we will have a good time :)
I can take the same livery of my team mate.
Have fun!
RPrego
 
Default date is autumn 01/03/2017. its strange becayse earlier I saw default was winter.
So 1 of March would be fine?

EDIT: if you just enter settings and default date was preset you see winter - 28/06/2017, but if you chose current date and then back to default you see default as 01/03/2017
 
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Hear, hear! :D and I would also add weather and throw in a day/night/day cycle for good measure!

Oh and multiclass racing also, if we have a 16-player lobby we can have a GT3/GT4 or a LMP1/LMP2 or just LMP/GT. That way we can have two winners and two battles going on at the same time.

If we don't do quali (it's meaningless in endurance racing) you can even have a endurance series and still keep things lasting under 1h30 minutes.


As an example, this is the kind of race I'd like to do (it's from an era when I was starting to play PCars2 more seriously, but still offline only). Multiclass, one full day cycle, starting with light rain, track drying out through the night and all ending under a glorious sun)




I posted about this before so I recovered my notes in the other thread, here you have them

The specs are:

Car - Bentley GT3
Track - Nurburgring 24 Hours (meaning the combined Circuit + Nordschleife)
Race length - 1 hour
Time progression - x25 (meaning it is a 25 hours race, I wanted a full day/night/day cycle)
Multiclass - Yes (GT3 and GT4, as close as I could get to the GTs that run the real event)
Weather - 4 slots used in the following order: Rain, Overcast, Light Cloud, Clear
Start Position - Last (game puts me last of the GT3 but I wait for all to go before I go myself
AI - 79% Skill (work in progress); 25% aggression
Field - Max, meaning 29 AIs in this track (30 cars racing with my own)

This is leg 2, meaning my second go at it, and the recording is unedited from broadcast, so what you see is what I saw while racing

Strategy - Wet tyres for a start, fuel enough for 4 laps, although I intended to pit at the end of 3rd (race would have 7 laps unless something odd happened). Defined a strategy to fill to 4 laps again and replace tyres with softs.

How the race unfolded

1:48 - Race start
Lap 1 is spent clearing the GT4 field (the whole 14 of them) at times I barely saw anything, such was the spray. And they don't make it easy on us so if you want to race clean you have to be patient. 12 liters spent (less than I expected, but the slower pace made it possible)

12:15 - Lap 2 start, about 22 seconds behind the race leader. Track very wet, but the sky is clearer
14:00 - Night sets in as I start the Nordschleife part, lights ON
18:15 - I see tail lights up ahead at the Karrousel !!!
20:05 - I cease to be last of the GT3 field. No I didn't overtake any car, someone crashed :P

21:26 - Lap 3 start, about 10 seconds behind the race leader. Still wet track, no rain but lots of spray. I noticed that in lap 2 I spent over 13 liters.
23:10 - I enter the Nordschleife section placed P10
28:15 --- 29:15 - my minutus horribilis ... drunk driving or so it seems. Down to 15th just before the big straight leading to the pits (or so I had planned, poor me)
29:50 - I call the pits, they say they're ready for me
30:33 - EVERY GT3 car in front of me pits! As soon as I enter pit lane (15th) I get "the pits are jammed, we'll bring you in as soon as we can"

So I do a drive through and leave the pits in 1st place, but with old, wet tyres in a dry track ... and low on fuel (13.8 liters), so I changed the fuel map to "Lean"


31:05 - Lap 4, from the pit exit ... not much of an advantage and 2nd place got closer and closer during the lap until ...
37:30 - Wrong tyres are wrong tyres, I spun and lost the lead (noticed the new race leader was a 911. Pretty car as I watched it past)
39:30 - Back to the long straight, holding the field still in second, I changed the fuel map to "Rich" so I wouldn't be steamrolled by the GT3 pack before the lap end.
40:20 - Pit entry (again)

41:30 - Lap 5, from the pit exit ... 16th and last of the GT3 field again! About 1 minute down on the leader. Dry track, fuel to end, soft tyres. I could still do it !!!

Lonely lap, some mistakes, I only gained about 15 seconds on the leader

50:00 - Lap 6, still 16th, 42 seconds down ... come on!

58:35 - Lap 7, after a very decent 8:30 lap, I was still 14th, 28 seconds down ... frustration was being felt (and it would have an impact on my driving)

1:07:35 - Race end, after a lap I'd rather forget. Back to 16th and last of the GT3 (but almost side by side with 15th at the line), again 36 secs down on the leader.


Here, if you want to check on it. I pasted this post's text also as a comment on Youtube so you only have to click the "time tabs" in the comment for the video to "jump" directly to those moments I mentioned. Have fun, don't pity me, I deserved the failure!
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EDIT - For a more hardcore experience ... here a 1h race I did recently at Le Mans Vintage. And this is ONLINE without AIs, all other cars are human-driven.

In this case you had everything thrown at you including zero driving aids and unpredictable weather (I wasn't lobby owner so I didn't jknow what to expect, but that rain would appear at some point was implicit). But it was single class, again I think two classes will double the fun.

 
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Napalm_LT
Would you mind to do one endurance race (eg. 1 hour race with tire/fuel usage) after this championship?
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I'm actually working on a probable series that would include a slightly longer race than what we've been running recently. Possibly 35 minutes. A longer endurance type race would be a sampler and tester for this idea

I could run a one off endurance race, it would make a change, but I'd need to know if everyone was keen on the idea. I don't want to alienate anyone.

So the questions to all are... Would you like to try out a longer race one Monday? Do you all know how to set up pit strategies and if so do you know how to select them during a race?

You can leave the pit setting on the default, but that's not always the best and could put you at a disadvantage of having the wrong tyres and fuel. So really everyone would need to know how to set up different pit strategies and how to select them prior to and during the race.

My usual problem with longer races is that I get bored after about 20 minutes or so and my mind wanders. I'd have to put my concentration head on. :)

The format? A quick calculation for weather and time and I've come to a preliminary 70 minute race with 10 mins qualification. It would allow for a simulated 6ish hour race with multiple weather permutations. Afternoon into evening maybe. The 10 mins qually allows late comers to still join plus anybody with connection problems to rejoin.

The track? I'm going to suggest a medium length circuit that we don't all get too separated on. Brno, I never had a bad race there. Not too complex and wide enough to allow overtaking.

The car(s) - not sure yet.

The above was a quick think about the idea in my head so could be liable to change after a bit of testing.

If the idea isn't popular it could perhaps be run on a different day.
 
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Hun200kmh
In this case you had everything thrown at you including zero driving aids and unpredictable weather (I wasn't lobby owner so I didn't jknow what to expect, but that rain would appear at some point was implicit). But it was single class, again I think two classes will double the fun.
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Im surprised (at 30 mins left Le Mans) your braking marker (the sign) didnt change even though it looked VERY wet for the first time.
And if it was a rolling start how come you jumped loads of places at the start? I thought rolling meant you had to hold position, but my knowledge is just less than 'very limited'

IfAndOr
Would you like to try out a longer race one Monday? Do you all know how to set up pit strategies and if so do you know how to select them during a race?
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Fine with me, i'll go with the flow. Pits, how hard can it be. Last time i pitted, i got disqualified, apparently theres a stupid speed limit, and it wasnt 150
 
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Pantheons
Im surprised (at 30 mins left Le Mans) your braking marker (the sign) didnt change even though it looked VERY wet for the first time.
And if it was a rolling start how come you jumped loads of places at the start? I thought rolling meant you had to hold position, but my knowledge is just less than 'very limited'
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The braking marker varies slightly and the cornering is definitely slower but in this game the wet tyres are very (too much) effective. It can even happen in some cases (not at La Sarthe though) that wet tyres can provide you almost the same lap times in the wet as slicks give you in the dry.

About the "jumping places" at the start, the video doesn't tell the story (and I didn't remember this before you mentioned). There was a huge pile up of cars at the race start, putting many cars out of race worthyness (damage was on FULL) and with one full lap to do to return to the pits. So the organizer, after quick consultation with the drivers, decided to abort the race there and then and start a new one immediately. No practise or quali this time, we would start from a standing position (random grid) but we would go slowluy for the first couple of corners, so everyone could re-assume their qualifying position. Race would start when all drivers were in place, organizer (spectating and with mic on) would give the countdown and "GO GO GO" sign. He decided to do it once everyone was already in the Hunaudieres straight.

I was 3rd in quali, so that's the position I moved up to during those "start procedures", but first I waited for all the others to reshuffle themselves and when I understood the grid was settling down then I moved also into my pre-designated 3rd position. Then as I said we went in procession until the beggining of the Hunaudieres straight and the race (rolling start) started there.

I hope this explanation makes it clear to you what happened ... it all happens after 5:20 into the video

xeronima
My usual problem with longer races is that I get bored after about 20 minutes or so and my mind wanders. I'd have to put my concentration head on. :)
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I very much doubt you'll get bored at the 20 minute mark if night settled in after 15 minutes and rain starts falling soon after that. At the 20 minute mark you're deciding what lap to pit for wets, no time to get bored :D
 
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Decent track guide I found for Bathurst:

https://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36327-Advanced-Track-Guide-BATHURST-(EvoM3)

So what's everyone's least favourite corners...t9&10 are great in the SP300 when you nail the line with the aero grip, but if you're slightly off you're screwed, so I hate those corners. Also Forrest's elbow; blind entry, heavy braking on a steep downhill slope with heavy camber, what a nightmare!

It's a very fun and satisfying track when you nail a lap, but the margin for and consequence of error is so high... I'm just relieved I wasn't the only one crashing all over the show this evening :D
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Saltyjoe90
So what's everyone's least favourite corners
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Surprisingly it's turn 1, I rarely get that right. I'm ether too fast or too slow. So it's got the right name! And when it's wet in PC2 the last corner, since there's a big puddle that forms there.

The rest of the circuit is easy. :P


And talking about the 1st corner. Please could you all be cautious at the start. Let's all try to get around that 1st corner without contact. They are both longer races with plenty of time to gain places.
Depending on how the Seven race start goes I might change to a rolling start for the 300. You've been warned. ;)
 
My least favourite is 21 and 23. Same as @IfAndOr I either come in hot or too slow. And the rest of the track is a challenge. In the seven I find that the entire section over the mountain (4-8) is a series of sliding oversteer at all of the small tops when the road is dropping off from under the car.

Unfortunately there wasn't much time to practice as my shoulder is acting up a bit. I hope I have been gentle enough on it so I can do the full race tonight :gtpflag:
 

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